BluePikmin11
Akko is my dear daughter!
Yeah it's pretty likely the roster won't always give the ideal choices for people.
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Roster Prediction Discussion Thread
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AncientTobacco
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Exactly. The Miis could easily be represented in another way, like a stage with them in background.
YoshiandToad
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Honestly this is what I'm worried about:
This will be our more popular character representation. Mii outfits.
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And Ridley can easily be represented as a stage hazard.
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But at least Ridley is an interesting character.And Ridley can easily be represented as a stage hazard.
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So, yes, an interesting stage hazard.
BluePikmin11
Akko is my dear daughter!
Well the Miis can be interesting if you add full customizability to them.
Chandeelure
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Honestly this is what I'm worried about:
This will be our more popular character representation. Mii outfits.
XD
Xhampi
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I always been against the idea of playable Miis for the simple reason that I do not want to see myself punching in the face video game characters that I liked since I'm a kid nor do I want to see them trying to burn me alive =/
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School is off for the 4th day in a row. How is everyone else today 
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This!
Many people didn't expect Villager to get in Smash because of what Sakurai said about Animal Crossing (and Nintendogs) characters, pre-Brawl... so their predicted rosters didn't have Villager on it.
Nobody expected Wii Fit Trainer, much less knew of her existence, before E3 2013... so she wasn't on everyone's predicted rosters.
Most people expected no more Mario characters... so there were no 5th Mario characters on their predicted rosters. Those few who expected a 5th Mario character usually didn't have Rosalina on their predicted rosters.
But hey, congratulations to everyone who correctly predicted Mega Man! Sakurai totally listens to the fans!
It's a shame that people are forced to take away the slots from three of their most wanted characters from their predicted rosters and give those slots to Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, and Rosalina on their predicted rosters.
BluePikmin11
Akko is my dear daughter!
I personally think 3rd parties are slightly more predictable, because the third party choices won't be obscure ones like a Harvest Moon character or Cooking Mama
Baskerville
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It seems some people only care about characters that are considered likely than what they actually want.
Hence why so many we're surprised by Rosalina.
Hence why so many we're surprised by Rosalina.
TheLastJinjo
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I don't see how different colored or even green Yoshis in the background would deconfirm Yoshi.
BluePikmin11
Akko is my dear daughter!
I would lol if the Yoshi's Island stage has different colored Yoshis as background characters.
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Well obviously. You can't please everybody.
But the roster will deliver on at least 2-3 of the top requested characters I would say. We already got Mega Man, Mewtwo appears to be obvious. A lot of the top characters make sense.
Sakurai can't just make a roster of, "BETCHA DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE COMING" characters. It was fine with Villager because he was interesting. Wii Fit Trainer was similar. Rosalina was a character that few people were totally against, and she surprised many. But the entire group of newcomers being characters that nobody saw coming? Yeah, no thanks.
I'm all for adding something unexpected, but Sakurai and Nintendo both know that if they don't appeal to the audience, then they will not have a happy fanbase (not that they really listen anyway). Basically, if they go and add: Anna, Kawashima, Nintendog, Diskun, Kiddy Kong, and Anthony Higgs, then I can guarantee you that 95% of the fans will be PISSED.
A few surprise additions are one thing. There is no problem with that. But when you go crazy and add ZERO popular characters, and essentially ignore your fans, that's a whole other beast you're dealing with.
This is why I am thinking we'll see at least 2-3 of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, Mewtwo, Shulk, and MAYBE Roy (I still think Chrom will get in before him)
TheLastJinjo
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So could Ridley and King K. Rool. Your point?
Morbi
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3rd party characters are much easier, people are slightly delusional if they think their favorite 3rd party character has a chance. It is honestly between Pac-Man and Snake, that is only if Sakurai decides that Smash 4 needs an additional 3rd party character. Mega Man could have already replaced Snake despite some speculators attempting to construe Snake as a necessary Smash character. That one always gets me, Snake, necessary and fitting? HAHAHAHAHAHAH.
BluePikmin11
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Who said we'll be getting lots of them?
AncientTobacco
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How about you read the post I replied to.So could Ridley and King K. Rool. Your point?
Morbi
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So at least 3 out of the 6 most popular characters? This is assuming that Shulk is somehow on the level of the other characters. Good luck with that.
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TheLastJinjo
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That's what I make sure to do on my roster. I have Mega Man, Little Mac, Roy, Mewtwo, Palutena, Ridley, and Dixie. But, sometimes people don't expect characters because they don't want to or they have their own idea of "deserving" and "likely". RosaIina for example. I don't think Sakurai is going to add Takamaru over Lip because more people thought Takamaru was more deserving and thus completely ignored Lip. If Lip gets in it shouldn't really be considered a surprise character as much as a "How could you not see that coming character".
YoshiandToad
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Currently 3/4 of the newcomers could be considered 'BETCHA DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING' characters. Very few people thought Rosalina would get in over Bowser Jr at the very least, Villager was deconfirmed and a lot of AC support seemed to be for Tom Nook at one point. About two people in the world predicted Wii Fit Trainer allegedly; the leaker and BigAxle(allegedly; there's no actual proof).
Megaman ironically is the only character anyone could of guessed was coming this time and he's not even a Nintendo character.
TheLastJinjo
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How about I did.
Morbi
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I agree with this sentiment, it isn't about adding a character that is WTF, it is about adding a character that isn't WTF that no one was expecting.
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I don't see what isn't fitting about him.
He's a third party character. He isn't owned by Sony like a lot of people tend to try and say. Sure, a lot of his content is Sony oriented, but it's not like Snake has ZERO history with Nintendo.
Solid Snake is a goofy character. He isn't a Master Chief. He hides in a freaking box to avoid detection. If you have any knowledge of Snake and MGS as a series, then it's not at all weird for Snake to be silly looking as he runs around and smacks people with his legs.
While I could understand him getting cut, I would certainly be upset about it. People forget something very important. Solid Snake was the FIRST 3rd Party character in Super Smash Bros. Not Sonic. Not Mega Man. It was Solid Snake.
Snake has become a very important part of Smash Bros. history. Maybe he got in because of a favor, but he meets Sakurai's criteria for Smash Bros. He is legendary, and he has appeared on Nintendo platforms. So yes, he fits.
Even if some fans don't think he fits, or has little relevance to Nintendo, Sakurai clearly disagrees. He had trophies and content from Metal Gear Solid IV, a game that has never been on a Nintendo product. Yet, Sakurai included it anyway. So the fact that Metal Gear Solid V is in the same boat is irrelevant.
The graphic style won't fit Snake? Snake has been in HD for years now. Oh but it's colorful? Who says Snake can't be colorful?
I'm not trying to be an asshole here, but most Snake arguments I've seen are butthurt Nintendo purists who don't think it's fair for Snake to be in. Snake isn't Master Chief. Snake is a legendary 3rd party character, who isn't owned by a competitors company. So no, it isn't directly supporting Sony or Microsoft. It's supporting Konami, just like Sonic is Sega, and Mega Man is Capcom.
Snake's my home boy. Come at me
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Richard Nixon
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This is one of the bigger things I think Miis may have against them. Nintendo may not like the idea of little representational player avatars being brutally beaten up by other characters. The Mii is literally a caricature of a real person, so they may find it a bit inappropriate to put them into a fighting game setting.
... Never mind that it'd be hard for them to censor all the penis-faced Miis and Hitler Miis that would plague the random matchups. It's well-known that Nintendo can be touchy about that kind of thing.
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Oh, its this argument again.
AncientTobacco
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Then I don't know what you don't understand. I was agreeing with Scolio that Miis don't have appeal as playable characters compared to all-stars like K. Rool & Ridley and suggested that they just be represented in another way.
BluePikmin11
Akko is my dear daughter!
I'm pretty sure Miis are Nintendo all-stars too, they have been here for 8 years now..
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Ah but you forget. Shulk is fairly popular. Not THE most popular, but he's got quite a bit of support in Japan, and even some in the states.
He's from a critically acclaimed Wii game, and it's possible that "X" could end up as a sequel to Xenoblade Chronicles. He provides quite a bit of unique moveset possibilities that few other swordsmen could offer. He's definitely a potential choice. I have a feeling Sakurai will at least take a look at Shulk as a potential newcomer just based on Xenoblade in general.
He knows the game exists I'm pretty sure. There is that tweet he had with the Monado replica, although I don't remember what he said about it.
Regardless, Shulk is a fairly requested character. Probably in the tier below the ones I listed. But if unique abilities are being put to the test, then Shulk may have quite the shot.
Morbi
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History with Nintendo is irrelevant, he got in the game as he felt obligated to fulfill his friends request. As an inherent quality of a 3rd party character is that the character isn't licensed by Nintendo, so it wouldn't even matter if he was owned by Sony. Being the first of something does not make you the best, he isn't even viewed as the ideal 3rd party candidate anyways. So cut the BS.I don't see what isn't fitting about him.
He's a third party character. He isn't owned by Sony like a lot of people tend to try and say. Sure, a lot of his content in Sony oriented, but it's not like Snake has ZERO history with Nintendo.
Solid Snake is a goofy character. He isn't a Master Chief. He hides in a freaking box to avoid detection. If you have any knowledge of Snake and MGS as a series, then it's not at all weird for Snake to be silly looking as he runs around and smacks people with his legs.
While I could understand him getting cut, I would certainly be upset about it. People forget something very important. Solid Snake was the FIRST 3rd Party character in Super Smash Bros. Not Sonic. Not Mega Man. It was Solid Snake.
Snake has become a very important part of Smash Bros. history. Maybe he got in because of a favor, but he meets Sakurai's criteria for Smash Bros. He is legendary, and he has appeared on Nintendo platforms. So yes, he fits.
Even if some fans don't think he fits, or has little relevance to Nintendo, Sakurai clearly disagrees. He had trophies and content from Metal Gear Solid IV, a game that has never been on a Nintendo product. Yet, Sakurai included it anyway. So the fact that Metal Gear Solid V is in the same boat is irrelevant.
The graphic style won't fit Snake? Snake has been in HD for years now. Oh but it's colorful? Who says Snake can't be colorful?
I'm not trying to be an ******* here, but most Snake arguments I've seen are butthurt Nintendo purists who don't think it's fair for Snake to be in. Snake isn't Master Chief. Snake is a legendary 3rd party character, who isn't owned by a competitors company. So no, it isn't directly supporting Sony or Microsoft. It's supporting Konami, just like Sonic is Sega, and Mega Man is Capcom.
Snake's my home boy. Come at me
Smash history; however, is an entirely valid point. That is the only reason he will even be considered for a second time.
What are you on about? It doesn't have to do with his graphical style, it has to do with them removing the prevalence of stealth aspects and realistic guns. They can make Snake wear pink for all anyone cares. It isn't about that, something about someone using a rocket launcher against Pikachu doesn't quite fit, you can't deny that. I am not going to say that he is the worst choice in the entire world, but he didn't fit into the Smash Universe. I actually think that Sakurai did a good job making it work to be honest.
AncientTobacco
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I'm pretty sure people are free to disagree. I don't consider Miis real Nintendo all-stars.I'm pretty sure Miis are Nintendo all-stars too, they have been here for 8 years now..
Morbi
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That was all I was getting at. You can't compare him to characters with universal popularity. I am not alluding to his chances, I was merely asserting that he isn't in the same tier as the other "shoe-in"
characters.We can't fight realistic humans, we can't fight realistic animals, we can't fight women, we can't fight children, we can't fight ANYTHING. This is a fighting game, as an inherent quality of the genre, people are going to get their asses kicked. I feel as though this point is entirely irrelevant anyways as Miis do not IN THE SLIGHTEST represent human beings. They are supposed to, that doesn't mean they do.
Other people think that they have this subjective appeal that you reference.
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It's called having a unique moveset that represents the character. Snake can do other things aside from using a pistol. If Snake didn't use any type of weapon, it would be a poor moveset indeed.
His history with Nintendo is certainly not irrelevant. Do you really think that Sakurai would be totally okay with putting a character with no relevance to Nintendo in the game? Say Kojima was Super Meat Boy's creator. Think about that. That would NEVER happen.
Sure, Sakurai fulfilled his request, but I highly doubt Sakurai would've agreed if Snake never appeared on a Nintendo platform.
His position as the first 3rd party, and the popularity he has in Smash Bros as a game are what will keep him in. It's not like he's the most hated character. Far from it actually.
As far as the HD graphics, I've seen several people claiming he'll get cut because of the graphics, which is a ****ing ******** point.
I just don't understand the hate. There is literally no reason to cut him. He is one of the most unique Smash Bros. characters, and has a LOT of popularity among Smash fans. Obviously Sakurai wouldn't add a character from a Sony or Microsoft licensed title, so no Master Chief or Kratos. But, like it or not, Snake meets the requirements that all 3rd Parties must meet, and that's that.
Who cares how he got in? We're past that now. There is no changing it.
Morbi
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I am more than positive that Nintendo disagrees with you. I mean it isn't like the Wii was the most successful Nintendo console, it wasn't like their best-selling games predominantly featured Miis almost exclusively, it isn't like it represents the consumer and Nintendo's ideal initiative, it isn't like they didn't name their social networking (site/app/whatever the hell Miiverse is) after them, it isn't like they haven't been the face of Nintendo for 8 years. So I think you may be on to something.
My point is, you don't have to think they are Nintendo All-Stars, your opinion is irrelevant. Nintendo is the producer, Miis are important to Nintendo.
YoshiandToad
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Actually genuine question here; does Snake's moveset fit Snake? I know little of MGS, but I thought it was a Stealth em Up. Snake uses explosives all over the place, which I would of imagined would be counterproductive to the character who is trying his best to sneak up on enemies with the element of surprise.
BluePikmin11
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Now that I think about it, Snake should have some sort of invisible cloak with him so you can really have the feeling sneaking into an opponent.
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You probably won't see something like that again though. Even now, there are people who are still mad about how Rosalina got in over Toad. The answer is likely to be moveset uniqueness, as that's probably where Toad falls well short at.
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