Gune
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It would probably just be a big explosion of sorts but since you cant technically faint he could sustain some damage probably 20-40% depending on how many people are KO'd.
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Yeah. It kinda sounds bland on paper.why would you want to turn into your opponent just sound boring
what kind of advantage does turning into your opponent give you anyway they are probably better with their own character then you are
Transforming into one of your opponents until you take damage sounds really meh for 1v1 because it won't fool anyone. It'd be kinda cool for 4 player free for all though.
And if you transform into your opponent's character all game, then why bother making Zoroark when you can just use the opponent's character.
If you hit a nice balance, I could see it being really interesting.
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I'm more of a Cyrax player and I don't really understand why being Dark type would matter
guys do you even know how many fighters there are in smash Dark type won't stand a chance
Gune
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If only Zoroark stole peoples souls and powers, all he does is copy your appearance or manipulate the surroundings.
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Genesect's entire gimmick is Techno Blast, a signature attack that changes type depending on the item it has equipped. I haven't seen his movie so I'm not sure what else there is to pull from that, but in the games it's pretty much just that move. I think they'd have to stretch him pretty far to get a unique moveset out of him.
Zoroark's Illusion, in game, disguises him as another Pokemon in your party, allowing for some unique mindgame tactics. In the movie I recall he could take that a bit further, though, disguising himself as people and other Pokemon and even creating illusions of attacks. I'm not sure how exactly this would translate to a Smash moveset, but there's definitely potential there. He'd be a character based on tricking the opponent, making lots of false moves to trip you up, and possibly even disguising as a completely different character.
Zoroark's Illusion, in game, disguises him as another Pokemon in your party, allowing for some unique mindgame tactics. In the movie I recall he could take that a bit further, though, disguising himself as people and other Pokemon and even creating illusions of attacks. I'm not sure how exactly this would translate to a Smash moveset, but there's definitely potential there. He'd be a character based on tricking the opponent, making lots of false moves to trip you up, and possibly even disguising as a completely different character.
Zoroark sounds cool on paper, but in reality, it's a tad underwhelming, eh?
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Zoroark's moveset could just take some liberties. The reason you would get Zoroark over Ditto is that, Zoroark can actually fight without it's main gimmick power.
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Don't really get the "Rosalina means Zoroark is likely" mentality.
That's two completely different ballparks.
That's two completely different ballparks.
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Don't worry; Jigglypuff will keep them in check.I'm more of a Cyrax player and I don't really understand why being Dark type would matter
guys do you even know how many fighters there are in smash Dark type won't stand a chance
I picture Genesect acting as a long range heavy fighter, but would not be super strong in terms of actual power behind moves.
The big thing I picture Genesect doing is having five different projectile attacks (for each kind of Drive) for its one of its specials, and be able to cycle through them with some other command. Each projectile would have different properties, which would give it more kinds of projectiles to work with at the cost of less speed and power than the average "keep away" kind of character.
Genesect's appearance, while not that important of an actual trait, is very unique in terms of potential candidates. It's a small thing, but it's something I particularly like about Genesect. Not many characters look like a cyborg bug with a cannon on its back.
Appearance is something I brought up when I was talking about Snake some pages back. One thing I loved about Snake is just how out of place he felt because of his background and appearance. When I picture Genesect with the other Pokemon, and to a lesser extent all of the other playable characters, to me it really does seem very out of place in terms of appearance, which is something I really like. Its design is just so unique when compared to any existing characters on the roster, and many of the potential candidates as well.All of that said, I don't think Genesect is very likely, but if it was included I think it would make for a very unique addition.
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I'm more of a Cyrax player and I don't really understand why being Dark type would matter
guys do you even know how many fighters there are in smash Dark type won't stand a chance
Well none of the Pokemon in Smash use Dark Type moves. So stuff like Dark Pulse, Faint Attack, Snarl, Pursuit and Crunch are available to use when Zoroark is in its base form. Seems like a good enough move pool to draw from.
Also, Cyrax is freaking awesome.
Well, we could take some liberties with Zoroark. Much like was done with Zelda, if need be.
Gune
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A bit Im not trying to say he has nothing to offer because he actually does I just don't see it working out the way everybody wants it to, Prime example Lucario.
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I prefer Pichu over Zoroark,seriously.
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Also, can I just throw in that people should stop referencing Genesect's appearance in the movie? I mean seriously, not only is Mewtwo the bigger character more people are interested in, but it's, by far, the WORST legendary/unique pokemon star in a movie. I mean seriously, it's been all over the place for Pokemon Movies.
Mewtwo: Badass who wanted to destroy the world, and the first time we ever saw people DIE in Pokemon.
Lugia: A strong leader character who, while was not very talkative, let its actions speak for itself. Not to mention his speech is VERY inspiring.
Entei & The Unknown: The whole tale of the third movie overall is very sad and depressing, and this movie's main characters strike the second most home IMO. She just wanted a family to be with ever since her father disappeared, she never wanted harm to come to anyone, but the Unknown's power was too much for her young mind. So damned if I say that these characters, especially Entei, are really well done.
Celebi: Average at most. I did feel for Celebi in its dying moments, but the villain felt incredibly bland as well as his overall goal. He wasn't smart like Mewtwo, he was just a mindless brute. Celebi's not the best, but not the worst.
Latios & Latias: Latios and Latias are my second favorite movie characters, and the sacrifice that Latios makes in this movie is very noble, even possibly aware of his own demise. Yes, this is the first time we really see a main character DIE in a pokemon movie, and it was very sad. I will remember Latios, and I hope you will too.
Jirachi: This character was, in my opinion, the SECOND weakest main star in a pokemon movie. Maybe it was because the movie focused mostly on Max, but it was just so bad. Also, Tentacle Hentai Groudon is enough to give you nightmares.
Deoxys: It takes FOREVER for this movie to get going, but you can get to feel for Deoxys in the end. However, the story of this movie is overall pointless and rather boring, which really brings down Deoxys' character.
Lucario: Lucario was noble and strong-willed, giving his life to save the world. He was a good movie star, but not THE best.
Darkrai: As someone who had a terrible childhood revolving around bullying and being shunned for no other reason than being different, I can feel ALOT of sympathy for Darkrai's character, and his sacrifice for the people that shunned and hated him was something that was really touching. Darkrai is one of the better movie leads.
Giratina and Shaymin: I didn't care much for Shaymin, but seeing how the Distortion World worked was really cool seeing as Giratina is my favorite pokemon. However, the villain sucked in this movie and really brought down the movie in the end.
Arceus: The God of all pokemon is a sniveling crybaby who throws temper-tantrums and sounds like Sonic the Hedgehog with a stuffed nose, which is kind of funny seeing as the villain sounded like Shadow. Anyways, the only good parts of this movie are the fights between The Legendary Sinnoh Trio and Arceus.
Zoroark: My favorite pokemon lead, and for good reasons. This movie wasn't trying to go over the top of saving the world like the past movies had kept throwing out over and over again, and Zoroark wasn't even a legendary pokemon, she was a poor pokemon being forced to do evil, all for the sake of her own baby. Zoroark went through endless amounts of torture and ill-treatment throughout the movie, and it was all so that she could be reunited with her baby Zorua. Hell, she gives all she has to protect her child that she DIES, SHE DIES. She doesn't die for the world, she didn't die for the fate of the universe, she died for the safety of her own child, and in my opinion...that's the most noble death in the series. Sure she was brought back to life by Celebi, but Zoroark really leaves an impact.
Victini: Victini's story is sad, and you can feel for the character throughout the movie. However, agan, the villain sucks and the plot is almost completely unnecessary. Not a terrible movie, but not good either.
Keldeo & Kyurem: Listening to a great VA keep on whining is painful, but the best part of this movie is the fact that it's the best voice-actor wise. The only other good thing is Kyurem's appearances and almost chilling voice, but the rest of the movie is just "RUN IN CIRCLE BACK TO WHERE IT ALL STARTED!"
Genesect: Genesect sucked. It was a weak villain with a weak goal and a SUPER EARLY RESOLVE. Mewtwo was a great character, but was sadly brought down by Genesect.
Mewtwo: Badass who wanted to destroy the world, and the first time we ever saw people DIE in Pokemon.
Lugia: A strong leader character who, while was not very talkative, let its actions speak for itself. Not to mention his speech is VERY inspiring.
Entei & The Unknown: The whole tale of the third movie overall is very sad and depressing, and this movie's main characters strike the second most home IMO. She just wanted a family to be with ever since her father disappeared, she never wanted harm to come to anyone, but the Unknown's power was too much for her young mind. So damned if I say that these characters, especially Entei, are really well done.
Celebi: Average at most. I did feel for Celebi in its dying moments, but the villain felt incredibly bland as well as his overall goal. He wasn't smart like Mewtwo, he was just a mindless brute. Celebi's not the best, but not the worst.
Latios & Latias: Latios and Latias are my second favorite movie characters, and the sacrifice that Latios makes in this movie is very noble, even possibly aware of his own demise. Yes, this is the first time we really see a main character DIE in a pokemon movie, and it was very sad. I will remember Latios, and I hope you will too.
Jirachi: This character was, in my opinion, the SECOND weakest main star in a pokemon movie. Maybe it was because the movie focused mostly on Max, but it was just so bad. Also, Tentacle Hentai Groudon is enough to give you nightmares.
Deoxys: It takes FOREVER for this movie to get going, but you can get to feel for Deoxys in the end. However, the story of this movie is overall pointless and rather boring, which really brings down Deoxys' character.
Lucario: Lucario was noble and strong-willed, giving his life to save the world. He was a good movie star, but not THE best.
Darkrai: As someone who had a terrible childhood revolving around bullying and being shunned for no other reason than being different, I can feel ALOT of sympathy for Darkrai's character, and his sacrifice for the people that shunned and hated him was something that was really touching. Darkrai is one of the better movie leads.
Giratina and Shaymin: I didn't care much for Shaymin, but seeing how the Distortion World worked was really cool seeing as Giratina is my favorite pokemon. However, the villain sucked in this movie and really brought down the movie in the end.
Arceus: The God of all pokemon is a sniveling crybaby who throws temper-tantrums and sounds like Sonic the Hedgehog with a stuffed nose, which is kind of funny seeing as the villain sounded like Shadow. Anyways, the only good parts of this movie are the fights between The Legendary Sinnoh Trio and Arceus.
Zoroark: My favorite pokemon lead, and for good reasons. This movie wasn't trying to go over the top of saving the world like the past movies had kept throwing out over and over again, and Zoroark wasn't even a legendary pokemon, she was a poor pokemon being forced to do evil, all for the sake of her own baby. Zoroark went through endless amounts of torture and ill-treatment throughout the movie, and it was all so that she could be reunited with her baby Zorua. Hell, she gives all she has to protect her child that she DIES, SHE DIES. She doesn't die for the world, she didn't die for the fate of the universe, she died for the safety of her own child, and in my opinion...that's the most noble death in the series. Sure she was brought back to life by Celebi, but Zoroark really leaves an impact.
Victini: Victini's story is sad, and you can feel for the character throughout the movie. However, agan, the villain sucks and the plot is almost completely unnecessary. Not a terrible movie, but not good either.
Keldeo & Kyurem: Listening to a great VA keep on whining is painful, but the best part of this movie is the fact that it's the best voice-actor wise. The only other good thing is Kyurem's appearances and almost chilling voice, but the rest of the movie is just "RUN IN CIRCLE BACK TO WHERE IT ALL STARTED!"
Genesect: Genesect sucked. It was a weak villain with a weak goal and a SUPER EARLY RESOLVE. Mewtwo was a great character, but was sadly brought down by Genesect.
Gune
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Man... that movie sure had a hell of a impact on you Hotfeet...
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This made me realize how fun a stage based on the Distortion World would be. Too bad it won't happen since we'll most likely be getting Gen5 and Gen6 stages.
TheLastJinjo
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Lol, what? Genesect is the star of the new movie that just came out and has been in almost every game since Black & White!
Gune
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Hes not really the star of this movie, Mewtwo was.Lol, what? Genesect is the star of the new movie that just came out and has been in almost every game since Black & White!
TheLastJinjo
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They are both equally. Both have just as much spotlight and their names are in the movie. If we went by which Pokemon is more popular then Pikachu is the star of every movie. But, Genesect's name is first.
Knight Dude
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Lol, what? Genesect is the star of the new movie that just came out and has been in almost every game since Black & White!
Wasn't Zoroark in a bunch of games since Black and White too, that's hardly saying anything. In fact, nearly every gen 5 pokemon is in every Pokemon game since Black and White. Zoroark starred in a movie too. Genesect's movie suffers for more or less being a Mewtwo movie from what I seen. A lot of trailers show Mewtwo and his Mega Form.
I don't even know why I'm really discussing this topic so much. I wouldn't mind either of them. And both of them would be reasonably fun to use is implemented well enough.
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As in Black & White 2 and X and Y.Lol, what? Genesect is the star of the new movie that just came out and has been in almost every game since Black & White!
Yeah, I think Genesect has another event in B&W2 and someone in Kalos asks for one as well, but other legendaries and popular non-legendaries are featured too. A Mewtwo is fought in Kalos, and you get one of Korrina's Lucario.
Can't remember if Zoroark is featured in someway in X and Y.
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Gune
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Zoroark can be caught in the pokemon village
and so can jigglypuff. :D
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With Mewtwo being fought in a cave of the village, also.
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Not entirely. Maybe the huge impact came from the fact that this movie came after a long string of bad movies, as a majority of the fourth gen movies were that...bad. The Lucario movie was alright, the Darkrai movie was alright, but Damn did the Giratina and Arceus movies suck. No seriously, what the hell did they do to Arceus' voice?
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We will probably get some gen 1 stages also I think Burned Tower would be an awesome stage
gen 2 is best gen
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I am pleased that more characters are being talked about than the same twenty we've debated over and over again. Much more entertaining than the endless Roy vs. Chrom debates and the environment is less pessimistic. Rosalina's inclusion was exactly what this community needed to break up the unfounded pessimism.
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TheLastJinjo
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People who say Mewtwo is the star of Genesect's movie need to stop. They are both equally important to the movie regardless of who is more popular.
Rebellious Treecko
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He had such an odd, funny voice in the dub.
Like when he yelled "NNEEEEAAAYYHHH!" during parts of the film.
The God of Pokemon, ladies and gents.
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True, Rosalina has been pushed more then Zoroark has currently so that's a point in her favor that Zoroark doesn't have. Plus, she's not replacing a unique moveset herself like Zoroark has primarily been suggested to do for Lucario, PT or even Jigglypuff, so there's not that resilience to go against.
She does give the uniqueness argument more merit, but yeah the characters aren't completely interchangeable in their respective situations.
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He sounds like Jason Griffith's Sonic the Hedgehog with Nasal Congestion...not to mention they made him a crybaby who throws temper-tantrums. And those yells...those yells don't sound like the cry of the Gods, it sounds like an angry teenager who got grounded for getting bad grades in school.
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I just realized Hotfeet, you forgot that Manaphy movie forgot what it's called though.
edit: I think it's called Temple of the Sea
edit: I think it's called Temple of the Sea
Gune
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hmm...well I guess that's understandable, Still the way you gush about that movie I think its pretty funny.
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@Arcanir: Not only that, but Pokémon goes under a different set of rules than other series.
While Zoroark has uniqueness going for it, the fact it isn't a "hot ticket" (big on promotion, star of a recent movie, etc.) cancels that out. Mewtwo simply edges Zoroark out completely in most regards. It also helps that Mewtwo had been in Smash before and was planned for return.
While Zoroark has uniqueness going for it, the fact it isn't a "hot ticket" (big on promotion, star of a recent movie, etc.) cancels that out. Mewtwo simply edges Zoroark out completely in most regards. It also helps that Mewtwo had been in Smash before and was planned for return.
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that isn't official, is it? must be someone's parody.
....it ISN'T???
WHAT THE ****
EDIT: wait a minute. maybe it is....
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I like the character okay? It's nice to finally have a character who isn't saving the world or dying for the world, which is getting kind of generic. However, just being pissed off isn't a good trait either, another thing Genesect fails at.
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Entei did that first.
Zoroark has to pretend to be like Entei.
.....I'm going to get attacked, aren't I?
Zoroark has to pretend to be like Entei.
.....I'm going to get attacked, aren't I?
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She managed to hold off all three of the legendary beasts on her own. Not to mention that Entei...wasn't really an Entei.Entei did that first.
Zoroark has to pretend to be like Entei.
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