Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[8-peacock-8]

There was hope in this fanbase to begin with?

More then Sonic's.

 

[RomanceDawn]

People only think Lucario is Mewtwo's clone because they never played with or against Mewtwo in Melee to begin with. With so many years behind them, they see the most superficial element(shadow ball/aura sphere) and assume they must be clones.

Anyone remember back in the Melee days when Mewtwo was first spoiled and confirmed, people mentioned he is a Ness clone because of they way he jumped? Gamers man... I mean come on.

Lucas and Mewtwo share more similarities than Mewtwo and Lucario.

Up Smash, Down Smash, N Air, those are similarities.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Heard that Sakurai said in an interview that having duel characters (Ice Climbers) was difficult to do on the 3DS. Is this true? Any news on this?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Coding must be difficult..
Edit: I'm pretty curious what GoldenYuiitusin's prediction roster is. I checked all over the Display thread and I saw none.

 

[MagnesD3]

I really just want to neutral jump a with mewtwo again into standing mash a and then the kickass backthrow (I hope he is really good this time around, maybe his transformation will take care of this.)

 

[shinhed-echi]

Alright... Mewtwo vs Lucario list moveset comparison.

Spoiler

AAA
Mewtwo: Dark-like consecutive combo (stops when you stop mashing A)
Lucario: 3 hit combo, punch punch kick.

TILT FWD:
Mewtwo: Tail whip
Lucario: Double palm strike

TILT UP:
Mewtwo: Tail "flash kick"
Lucario: High roundhouse kick

TILT DWN:
Mewtwo: Tail sweep
Lucario: Low kick

FSMASH:*
Mewtwo: Double handed psychic blast (short range)
Lucario: Double palmed aura blast (short-mid range)

DSMASH:
Mewtwo: Psychic bolt to the ground (just ahead)
Lucario: Double palm strike, each palm to a side.

USMASH:
Mewtwo: Psychic storm
Lucario: Charging uppercut palm

GRAB:
Mewtwo: With his mind
Lucario: WIth his hands

PUMMEL:
Mewtwo: With.. psychic waves
Lucario: Hompin... er.. Super short palm strikes

GRAB DWN:
Mewtwo: Tail slam
Lucario: Slam opponent down.

GRAB UP:
Mewtwo: Super psychic launch
Lucario: Uppercut attack? (Never seen this one)

GRAB FWD:
Mewtwo: Multi Shadow Balls
Lucario: Fierce throw forward.

GRAB BCK:
Mewtwo: Multi Shadow Balls
Lucario: Fierce throw backwards.


NAIR:
Mewtwo: Electric barrier
Lucario: Spinning aura attacks.

FAIR:
Mewtwo: Shadow claw
Lucario: Rising kik

DAIR:
Mewtwo: Meteor smash
Lucario: Double stomp

BAIR:
Mewtwo: Tail flick
Lucario: Backhand slam

UAIR:
Mewtwo: Aerial Tail "Flash Kick"
Lucario: Even higher rising kick.


B:*
Mewtwo: Shadow Ball (zig zags)
Lucario: Aura Sphere (goes straight)

B DWN:
Mewtwo: Disable
Lucario: Double Tea,

B TILT:
Mewtwo: Confusion
Lucario: Aura grab

B UP:
Mewtwo: Teleport
Lucario: Extreme Speed.

Conclusion:

Only two moves look alike. One of them has a different attack pattern and speed from the other. (Aura Sphere and Shadow Ball)

 

[kikaru]

Alright... Mewtwo vs Lucario list moveset comparison.

Spoiler

AAA
Mewtwo: Dark-like consecutive combo (stops when you stop mashing A)
Lucario: 3 hit combo, punch punch kick.

TILT FWD:
Mewtwo: Tail whip
Lucario: Double palm strike

TILT UP:
Mewtwo: Tail "flash kick"
Lucario: High roundhouse kick

TILT DWN:
Mewtwo: Tail sweep
Lucario: Low kick

FSMASH:*
Mewtwo: Double handed psychic blast (short range)
Lucario: Double palmed aura blast (short-mid range)

DSMASH:
Mewtwo: Psychic bolt to the ground (just ahead)
Lucario: Double palm strike, each palm to a side.

USMASH:
Mewtwo: Psychic storm
Lucario: Charging uppercut palm

GRAB:
Mewtwo: With his mind
Lucario: WIth his hands

PUMMEL:
Mewtwo: With.. psychic waves
Lucario: Hompin... er.. Super short palm strikes

GRAB DWN:
Mewtwo: Tail slam
Lucario: Slam opponent down.

GRAB UP:
Mewtwo: Super psychic launch
Lucario: Uppercut attack? (Never seen this one)

GRAB FWD:
Mewtwo: Multi Shadow Balls
Lucario: Fierce throw forward.

GRAB BCK:
Mewtwo: Multi Shadow Balls
Lucario: Fierce throw backwards.


NAIR:
Mewtwo: Electric barrier
Lucario: Spinning aura attacks.

FAIR:
Mewtwo: Shadow claw
Lucario: Rising kik

DAIR:
Mewtwo: Meteor smash
Lucario: Double stomp

BAIR:
Mewtwo: Tail flick
Lucario: Backhand slam

UAIR:
Mewtwo: Aerial Tail "Flash Kick"
Lucario: Even higher rising kick.


B:*
Mewtwo: Shadow Ball (zig zags)
Lucario: Aura Sphere (goes straight)

B DWN:
Mewtwo: Disable
Lucario: Double Tea,

B TILT:
Mewtwo: Confusion
Lucario: Aura grab

B UP:
Mewtwo: Teleport
Lucario: Extreme Speed.

Conclusion:

Only two moves look alike. One of them has a different attack pattern and speed from the other. (Aura Sphere and Shadow Ball)

So if anyone wants to make the asinine assumption that Lucario and Mewtwo are clones or even conceptual clones can just refer to this and shove it.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

It's not
its not fantasy you just have to read the article. The only cuts that are realistic are toon link and falco.

Falco is not a realistic cut, and and I'm still skeptical about Toon Link.

WE ARE NEVER GOING TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES CUTS ARE WE!?!?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Every time i hear a person call Lucario a clone of Mewtwo and Mewtwo's replacement, i lose more hope for this fanbase

Some people never understood that Mewtwo and Lucario do not play in the same fashion. Mewtwo excels much better with its grab game than Lucario, and hardly any of their attacks, even their specials, are close to being alike.

 

[Curious Villager]

I'm starting to miss the endless Fire Emblem discussions. I'd rather have that than the endless cutting discussions.

I said nothing! It was just the wind! :x

 

[TheLastJinjo]

GO TALK ABOUT IT HERE! I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE! If you are gonna make the SAME statements in an endless loop, do it somewhere else please.

http://smashboards.com/threads/cutting-brawl-characters.337789/

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

GO TALK ABOUT IT HERE! I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE! If you are gonna make the SAME statements in an endless loop, do it somewhere else please.

http://smashboards.com/threads/cutting-brawl-characters.337789/

Sorry, but that goes against the guidelines that I've posted. Anti-support threads can potentially lead to flame wars, so it's generally better to discuss about cuts here than anywhere else.

 

[Opossum]

That thread lasted all of six minutes. I think that's a new record.

Anyway, I should have one more updated roster soon.

 

[Curious Villager]

Gosh, I thought Mario & Sonic guy was talking to me until I figured he was probably talking to Noah. :T

Ah well, back to topic.

 

[LaniusShrike]

I'm starting to miss the endless Fire Emblem discussions. I'd rather have that than the endless cutting discussions.

I said nothing! It was just the wind! :x

But why that when you can just COMBINE the two conversations to make it twice as fun?

So, I'm pretty sure they're cutting Ike. And Marth. And Roy will be an assist trophy.

Justttt kidding. We should probably talk about Zelda instead. Hey everyone and DIDDY, how do we realistically feel about the chances of Impa getting into the game versus, say, Tingle?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Anti-support threads can potentially lead to flame wars, so it's generally better to discuss about cuts here than anywhere else.

Apparently discussing about cuts causes flamewars, but everything else thrown out there doesn't.

 

[Curious Villager]

But why that when you can just COMBINE the two conversations to make it twice as fun?

So, I'm pretty sure they're cutting Ike. And Marth. And Roy will be an assist trophy.

Justttt kidding. We should probably talk about Zelda instead. Hey everyone and DIDDY, how do we realistically feel about the chances of Impa getting into the game versus, say, Tingle?

So long as they get replaced by Anna and Lyn then all is good. just kidding.

I can't really decide between either Impa and Tingle honestly, I'd say Tingle would probably have a higher chance since he has his own spin off series and all. But I don't know really... :/

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Apparently discussing about cuts causes flamewars, but apparently everything else thrown out there doesn't.

Not everything can be fully covered. And in a way, this thread does serve as a place to bring up character cuts.

 

[LaniusShrike]

So long as they get replaced by Anna and Lyn then all is good. just kidding.

I can't really decide between either Impa and Tingle honestly, I'd say Tingle would probably have a higher chance since he has his own spin off series and all. But I don't know really... :/

Pfft, the only reason you like those two is that they're girls isn't it? ISN'T IT?!?

On the other hand, the thought of Tingle getting in when Impa doesn't makes me want to cry. They both seem pretty likely, actually... though I do think that they're sort of mutually exclusive as well (Ghirahim too, but I don't feel like he's nearly as likely as the other two). I don't really think any one series is going to get more than one newcomer this time around, with the possible exception of DLC (which I also don't think we're gonna get, sadly).

 

[Curious Villager]

Pfft, the only reason you like those two is that they're girls isn't it? ISN'T IT?!?

On the other hand, the thought of Tingle getting in when Impa doesn't makes me want to cry. They both seem pretty likely, actually... though I do think that they're sort of mutually exclusive as well (Ghirahim too, but I don't feel like he's nearly as likely as the other two). I don't really think any one series is going to get more than one newcomer this time around, with the possible exception of DLC (which I also don't think we're gonna get, sadly).

Nah I don't support characters because of their genders or because their villains, Lyn is cool and Anna is just plain AWESOME!

Well it's up in the air really. I think Sakurai is probably just going to stick with the triforce trio and a second Link. But who knows really.

 

[Knight Dude]

But why that when you can just COMBINE the two conversations to make it twice as fun?

So, I'm pretty sure they're cutting Ike. And Marth. And Roy will be an assist trophy.

Justttt kidding. We should probably talk about Zelda instead. Hey everyone and DIDDY, how do we realistically feel about the chances of Impa getting into the game versus, say, Tingle?

Impa seems unlikely to me, especially by herself. And chances are she won't replace Sheik as Zelda's transformation. Unless Sakurai really cared about being relevant with the Zelda character's appearances. And given how Link's outfit is a brighter version of the Twilight Princess version and not the Skyward Sword version, Sakurai might not care about that stuff. Honestly, I'm not too sure if we are getting any Zelda characters outside of the main four. And if we do, it might be that "Toon Zelda" that was found in Brawl's data. Tingle might be playable if he's really requested in Japan, cause he'll probably not find any support in the west.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Nah I don't support characters because of their genders or because their villains, Lyn is cool and Anna is just plain AWESOME!

Well it's up in the air really. I think Sakurai is probably just going to stick with the triforce trio and a second Link. But who knows really.

Are you sure? Would you still support Anna if she were instead a super perky red-head shopkeeper named ANDREW? What if Lyn was a sworddude named London? I mean, there's already a Paris in the series... Next up, Madrid!

That seems pretty likely, though kind of a shame. I love Toon Link, but if the team's going to be too lazy to make him cooler and differentiate him (where's my Deku Leaf, dammit!) then I'd rather see a Zelda newcomer than an unchanged TL.

Impa seems unlikely to me, especially by herself. And chances are she won't replace Sheik as Zelda's transformation. Unless Sakurai really cared about being relevant with the Zelda character's appearances. And given how Link's outfit is a brighter version of the Twilight Princess version and not the Skyward Sword version, Sakurai might not care about that stuff. Honestly, I'm not too sure if we are getting any Zelda characters outside of the main four. And if we do, it might be that "Toon Zelda" that was found in Brawl's data. Tingle might be playable if he's really requested in Japan, cause he'll probably not find any support in the west.

I think we're going to see a colorful TP Zelda paired up with a slightly more colorful "TP" Sheik still, yeah. In my mind, though, that could leave Impa to represent the Skyward Sword game and style.

"Toon Zelda" always weirds me out when I see it. I mean, it probably means Tetra, but it implies that it's just a toony clone of the Zelda/Sheik combo and that doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Frostwraith]

I've said this in the General Discussion: Tingle's chances are bigger than Impa due to:

• Bigger popularity in Japan
• Having more appearances throughout the series
• Starring in his own games

I also don't think the Zelda series will receive a newcomer.

 

[MagnesD3]

Another roster

 

[Curious Villager]

Are you sure? Would you still support Anna if she were instead a super perky red-head shopkeeper named ANDREW? What if Lyn was a sworddude named London? I mean, there's already a Paris in the series... Next up, Madrid!

That seems pretty likely, though kind of a shame. I love Toon Link, but if the team's going to be too lazy to make him cooler and differentiate him (where's my Deku Leaf, dammit!) then I'd rather see a Zelda newcomer than an unchanged TL.

Depends, will he be making lots of awesome money related puns and have awesome dodging and attacking skills and save my team from lots of tough battles? If yes then Andrew is AWESOME TOO! And London? Best. Name. EVER! I like him now already. Too bad they don't exist in the Fire Emblem series...

Yeah, I understand that. I do hope that if toon Link (or any child Link really) show's up again, that they would try and rework him a bit more again. At least give him the Hurricane Spin, Fire and Ice arrow's, the Skull Hammer and the Grappling hook where he can also steal items with it or something would also be pretty cool for me... But oh well... :/

 

[LaniusShrike]

I've said this in the General Discussion: Tingle's chances are bigger than Impa due to:

• Bigger popularity in Japan
• Having more appearances throughout the series
• Starring in his own games

I also don't think the Zelda series will receive a newcomer.

Yep, you're probably right on both counts. There are other pretty influential points to be made as well, but they're primarily against her chances so I'm not gonna go into them.

Still, though... Shadow Magic Gypsy Ninja totally beats out 35-year old chubster shoved into an ill-fitting fairy-themed gimp suit any day in my book.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Speaking of cuts, I mention before and I guess it got lost in the crop, but someone was mentioning an interview saying sakurai would cut Ice climbers because he was having trouble getting the duel characters working on the 3DS. Is this true?

 

[Curious Villager]

Speaking of cuts, I mention before and I guess it got lost in the crop, but someone was mentioning an interview saying sakurai would cut Ice climbers because he was having trouble getting the duel characters working on the 3DS. Is this true?

I heard it was just the interviewer bringing them up as an example. I'm sure Sakurai can work something out for them. If not than I guess we could always have just one Ice Climber in the 3DS version... Not sure how likely that is... :/

 

[MagnesD3]

Speaking of cuts, I mention before and I guess it got lost in the crop, but someone was mentioning an interview saying sakurai would cut Ice climbers because he was having trouble getting the duel characters working on the 3DS. Is this true?

uh no, he just said that on 3ds they are having a hard time fooling with characters that have more than one character out, presumably ice climbers (maybe diddy/dixie?)

 

[shinhed-echi]

Speaking of cuts, I mention before and I guess it got lost in the crop, but someone was mentioning an interview saying sakurai would cut Ice climbers because he was having trouble getting the duel characters working on the 3DS. Is this true?

Though entirely possible, this does sound like the usual false rumor. Back in Brawl days there was also another rumor of them being cut, alongside Mr.Game and Watch (most likely because these two didn't appeal to a big number of people).

I haven't read any official source regarding this... But it makes sense that they would be difficult to implement in the 3DS version.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Depend's, will he be making lots of awesome money related puns and have awesome dodging and attacking skills and save my team from lots of tough battles? If yes then Andrew is AWESOME TOO! And London? Best. Name. EVER! I like him now already. Too bad they don't exist in the Fire Emblem series...

Yeah, I understand that. I do hope that if toon Link (or any child Link really) show's up again, that they would try and rework him a bit more again. At least give him the Hurricane Spin, Fire and Ice arrow's, the Skull Hammer and the Grappling hook where he can also steal items with it or something would also be pretty cool for me... But oh well... :/

Why yes, Andy the Perky Shopkeeper would have all those traits! ANDY FOR SMASH. Along with his good pal LONDON. It actually is a cool name for a kid. I bet he'd be a crappy cook, though.

It just seems kind of sad to see Young Link/Toon Link be put in but not given the appropriate amount of effort to actually represent him. Also, I'm sad that all the Links' bow specials are just so feeble compared to most projectiles. In the very least, let him aim it and walk around like a character with a Cracker Launcher, y'know?

I kind of vote for the skull hammer to be TL's down+smash, and I don't want to see another Link get a bow and arrow until they've shown that they can make it an okay special for Adult Link.
I'm sure you've seen it several times, but I want: Hurricane Spin, Grappling Hook, Deku Leaf, and Mole Mitts as his four specials. Pretty flexible on the Mole Mitts though- mostly, that was to make him Toon Link and not just Wind Waker Link.

Edit: Here's the Ice Climber link. So, the article alludes to another interview, but I don't know if that actual interview was published.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/smash-bros-wii-u-3ds-might-not-release-at-the-same-time

 

[drag0nscythe]

Hopefully IC does not get the ax. They were a good addition. I do like how it can be interpreted that there are multiple duel characters. (unless he means Assist Trophies also).

Lets hope for Diddy and Dixie!

 

[papagenos]

imo that quote confirms ice climbers and probably points to there being others, "diddy dixie" being the most likely.

 

[Knight Dude]

That seems pretty likely, though kind of a shame. I love Toon Link, but if the team's going to be too lazy to make him cooler and differentiate him (where's my Deku Leaf, dammit!) then I'd rather see a Zelda newcomer than an unchanged TL.



I think we're going to see a colorful TP Zelda paired up with a slightly more colorful "TP" Sheik still, yeah. In my mind, though, that could leave Impa to represent the Skyward Sword game and style.

"Toon Zelda" always weirds me out when I see it. I mean, it probably means Tetra, but it implies that it's just a toony clone of the Zelda/Sheik combo and that doesn't make much sense to me.

If you ask me, it would seem like Toon Zelda would switch to Tetra instead of Toon Sheik. Using that knife and possibly some bombs and stuff like that. Though I much rather see that development time make a more unique Toon Link. Summoning whirlwinds, using stuff like the Iron Boots, the Deku Leaf, the Skull Hammer and the fire/ice arrows could make him stand out from his counterpart.

 

[Curious Villager]

Why yes, Andy the Perky Shopkeeper would have all those traits! ANDY FOR SMASH. Along with his good pal LONDON. It actually is a cool name for a kid. I bet he'd be a crappy cook, though.

It just seems kind of sad to see Young Link/Toon Link be put in but not given the appropriate amount of effort to actually represent him. Also, I'm sad that all the Links' bow specials are just so feeble compared to most projectiles. In the very least, let him aim it and walk around like a character with a Cracker Launcher, y'know?

I kind of vote for the skull hammer to be TL's down+smash, and I don't want to see another Link get a bow and arrow until they've shown that they can make it an okay special for Adult Link.
I'm sure you've seen it several times, but I want: Hurricane Spin, Grappling Hook, Deku Leaf, and Mole Mitts as his four specials. Pretty flexible on the Mole Mitts though- mostly, that was to make him Toon Link and not just Wind Waker Link.

Then Andrew and London for SM4SH!!!

Yeah I understand, it's sad that Sakurai probably wont take the effort for them though. Then again, they were both last priority characters, so I guess the child Link's are kinda doomed of being one of the last characters in line and because there isn't much time for them, they resort to turning them into clones of default Link. :/

I really wouldn't mind seeing them use their own special tools such as the Skull Hammer and the Grappling Hook etc. The Hurricane Spin is probably Toon Link's most iconic attack as (so far I can remember) only the Link's who have had Toon Link's design could pull that attack off in the Zelda series. So I found it to be quite a shame that he couldn't use it. (Then again, Ness couldn't use his most iconic PSI Rockin attack either..)

At least having Toon Link getting his regular Tools being reworked such as his bow working like the Cracker Launcher and shooting Fire and Ice Arrows, the use of the Hurricane Spin and maybe the ability of using Bomb-Chu's on the ground would be quite the step up for him if you ask me... :/

 

[drag0nscythe]

Might seem out of place, but where is a good reference to everything Sakurai said about development thus far.
Want to make a good list of points to prove the 40-45 limit I keep yelling. Want back up quotes.
Anyone know of a good resource or am I going to have to goolge everything?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm just gonna come back when we've stopped talking about cutting characters. Specifically the same ones.

 

[LaniusShrike]

If you ask me, it would seem like Toon Zelda would switch to Tetra instead of Toon Sheik. Using that knife and possibly some bombs and stuff like that. Though I much rather see that development time make a more unique Toon Link. Summoning whirlwinds, using stuff like the Iron Boots, the Deku Leaf, the Skull Hammer and the fire/ice arrows could make him stand out from his counterpart.

I'd much rather just see Tetra as an independent character... it doesn't really make sense for her to switch between the two forms willy nilly, and her pirate-y form is much more representative of her character.

Iron Boots could be his new aerial drop attack! Or just a down+B that makes fall faster and hurt enemies he falls on while simultaneously making him about as heavy as Metal Toon Link.

 

[TKactual]

Might seem out of place, but where is a good reference to everything Sakurai said about development thus far.
Want to make a good list of points to prove the 40-45 limit I keep yelling. Want back up quotes.
Anyone know of a good resource or am I going to have to goolge everything?

Try google first. It is more reliable then goolge.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

A bit hefty on the amount, and I'd say all of your newcomers are plausible so I would cut a few veterans, say snake lucario and toon link to make it more reasonable.

Sorry, but I really can't see Lucario getting cut. It doesn't make sense to remove a 4th Generation Pokemon and replace him because he's a "flavor of the month". Removing Lucario will still overrep the first generation.