Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[SchAlternate]

PLEASE! If I can tear 4 more new *** holes in people, I get a free sandwhich! Let's do this!

Thanks for the sig quote.

 

[BluePikmin11]

We need to make people less depressed.

List of things that would make people happy
Smaller Ridley
King K. Dixie
Paper Bowsario Jr.
Chroy
being drunk apparently

Where's Dr. Kawatendog?

I don't like Bowser Jr.
There, I said it.
Strike me down.

Me neither. :/

 

[Hotfeet444]

Good late afternoon all, hope you're all doing well and by God not again...huge walls of useless text that nobody wants to read and take up space in the thread. Why am I not surprised?

Anyways, as I arrive, take a look at THIS amazing gem I just got in my inbox on youtube that is sure to give you a laugh if not a facepalm at humanity.

"Shadow may be in the game. That's not fact Feliafan because you said Ridley. ****ing Ridley! He takes up half the screen. Besides who else could they put in for metroid, it should be only Samus. A second sonic character has a Way better chance than a metroid character."

If you didn't laugh, cringe or facepalm when reading this...you have no soul. Regardless, the topic is of course still Toad, so I'll just be blunt and say get over it and move on.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I can see a semi-clone in the making. Bowser Jr. actually makes me want Paper Mario... that is actually saying a lot.

Perhaps a semi-clone, yes, but only with some shell attacks and fire breath. A majority of Bowser's moves would not work well for Bowser Jr.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Good late afternoon all, hope you're all doing well and by God not again...huge walls of useless text that nobody wants to read and take up space in the thread. Why am I not surprised?

Anyways, as I arrive, take a look at THIS amazing gem I just got in my inbox on youtube that is sure to give you a laugh if not a facepalm at humanity.

"Shadow may be in the game. That's not fact Feliafan because you said Ridley. ****ing Ridley! He takes up half the screen. Besides who else could they put in for metroid, it should be only Samus. A second sonic character has a Way better chance than a metroid character."

If you didn't laugh, cringe or facepalm when reading this...you have no soul. Regardless, the topic is of course still Toad, so I'll just be blunt and say get over it and move on.

Where's Dr. Kawatendog?

Me neither. :/

That's just for you.

 

[SchAlternate]

Good late afternoon all, hope you're all doing well and by God not again...huge walls of useless text that nobody wants to read and take up space in the thread. Why am I not surprised?

Anyways, as I arrive, take a look at THIS amazing gem I just got in my inbox on youtube that is sure to give you a laugh if not a facepalm at humanity.

"Shadow may be in the game. That's not fact Feliafan because you said Ridley. ****ing Ridley! He takes up half the screen. Besides who else could they put in for metroid, it should be only Samus. A second sonic character has a Way better chance than a metroid character."

If you didn't laugh, cringe or facepalm when reading this...you have no soul. Regardless, the topic is of course still Toad, so I'll just be blunt and say get over it and move on.

I cringed, laughed and facepalmed, all at about the same time. Would that make me a saint?

ALSO, the topic of Toad has long been dropped, actually.

 

[Richard 89]

I'm too tired to cut your head.

Someday I will put YOUR head on a pike. ♪

-----

Alright. I just had to defend my nerdiness in the Miiverse thread. I'm ready to tear somebody's head off!

If anyone is going to be cutting heads, putting heads on pikes or tearing them, it gonna be me.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Anyways, as I arrive, take a look at THIS amazing gem I just got in my inbox on youtube that is sure to give you a laugh if not a facepalm at humanity.

"Shadow may be in the game. That's not fact Feliafan because you said Ridley. ****ing Ridley! He takes up half the screen. Besides who else could they put in for metroid, it should be only Samus. A second sonic character has a Way better chance than a metroid character."

 

[Xhampi]

Where's Dr. Kawatendog?

/

Well at least I know where he will be now.....In my nightmares Oo

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Good late afternoon all, hope you're all doing well and by God not again...huge walls of useless text that nobody wants to read and take up space in the thread. Why am I not surprised?

Anyways, as I arrive, take a look at THIS amazing gem I just got in my inbox on youtube that is sure to give you a laugh if not a facepalm at humanity.

"Shadow may be in the game. That's not fact Feliafan because you said Ridley. ****ing Ridley! He takes up half the screen. Besides who else could they put in for metroid, it should be only Samus. A second sonic character has a Way better chance than a metroid character."

If you didn't laugh, cringe or facepalm when reading this...you have no soul. Regardless, the topic is of course still Toad, so I'll just be blunt and say get over it and move on.

It was me.

 

[Knight Dude]

I don't like Bowser Jr.
There, I said it.
Strike me down.

No. Stand your ground, warrior. Believe in thine morals till your end. And your end comes, the heavens will welcome you in open arms!

But seriously, its cool though, man. I doubt anyone's gonna get that mad.

 

[Bowserlick]

Do you think it is possible to have the Mii (playable character) use a Wii Remote moveset?

The Wii Remote is part of Nintendo's history and allowed the company to capture a large demographic previously not targeted.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I don't like Bowser Jr.
There, I said it.
Strike me down.

Nor I.

But of the potential Mario newcomers he's now the most deserving of the role. Probably.

I'd just prefer any of the other candidates available.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Do you think it is possible to have the Mii (playable character) use a Wii Remote moveset?

The Wii Remote is part of Nintendo's history and allowed the company to capture a large demographic previously not targeted.

With the Mii, pretty much any kind of move can happen with his customizability.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I'd prefer Dr. Mario

 

[YoshiandToad]

Do you think it is possible to have the Mii (playable character) use a Wii Remote moveset?

The Wii Remote is part of Nintendo's history and allowed the company to capture a large demographic previously not targeted.

Can you elaborate? I feel like you've got an interesting idea here but I'm not seeing it yet.

 

[Knight Dude]

Where's Dr. Kawatendog?

Hopefully in a place where it can't harm a single soul. Such a vile cretin it is.

Good late afternoon all, hope you're all doing well and by God not again...huge walls of useless text that nobody wants to read and take up space in the thread. Why am I not surprised?

Anyways, as I arrive, take a look at THIS amazing gem I just got in my inbox on youtube that is sure to give you a laugh if not a facepalm at humanity.

"Shadow may be in the game. That's not fact Feliafan because you said Ridley. ****ing Ridley! He takes up half the screen. Besides who else could they put in for metroid, it should be only Samus. A second sonic character has a Way better chance than a metroid character."

If you didn't laugh, cringe or facepalm when reading this...you have no soul. Regardless, the topic is of course still Toad, so I'll just be blunt and say get over it and move on.

Wow. The whole "Ridley is too big" thing is already kinda dumb. Given Bowser's and Olimar's sizes have been changed to fit in. At least say something different, like his body shape might be awkward. Because I can see that as a somewhat genuine arguement. Then you reach a new level, when saying no one else from Metroid doesn't deserve to be in. Because you know, it only needs one character despite being one of the biggest Nintendo franchises.

But the biggest slap in the face is talking about Shadow. A second Sonic character isn't nearly as needed a second one for Metroid. And if we do get one, it deserves to be someone who's pretty much always been important to the series. Namely Tails or Eggman, But even Knuckles deserves to be added in before Shadow. Who's barely relevant in the series anymore.

 

[Louie G.]

Do you think it is possible to have the Mii (playable character) use a Wii Remote moveset?

The Wii Remote is part of Nintendo's history and allowed the company to capture a large demographic previously not targeted.

It's possible.
I do foresee a generic sports/Pilotwings moveset though.

But even Knuckles deserves to be added in before Shadow. Who's barely relevant in the series anymore.

So THAT'S why Sonic is so bad nowadays!

Double post. Sorry everyone.

 

[Espio264]

If anyone is going to be cutting heads, putting heads on pikes or tearing them, it gonna be me.

Nah, but seriously, you're good people.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Don't worry Louie G...I won't kill you for disliking Bowser Jr...

Yeah, move aside Waddle Dee, this thread now has a new murderous psychopath.

 

[BluePikmin11]

If anyone is going to be cutting heads, putting heads on pikes or tearing them, it gonna be me.

You have inspired me with an entrance quote that's just as humorous as WFT's :
"Dr. Kawashima gets his head in the game!!"

 

[Chandeelure]

Yeah, move aside Waddle Dee, this thread now has a new murderous psychopath.

Oreon is more intimidating than Sylveon.

 

[Knight Dude]

So THAT'S why Sonic is so bad nowadays!

Double post. Sorry everyone.

I don't know if you are kidding. But the series has gotten better now that Shadow, and most of the other side characters barring a few exceptions, are longer present. It's just Sonic, Tails, Eggman, Knuckles and Amy. That's it. Five characters, and that's probably all that's needed in one game at a time.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Oreon is more intimidating than Sylveon.

That's quite alright...after all...

Spoiler

It's the harmless-looking ones you need to watch out for...

 

[Richard 89]

You have inspired me with an entrance quote that's just as humorous as WFT's :

As they say: "Motivators are the inspirers of the world today"

 

[RoysOurBoy]

When it comes to Mario newcomers, I don't think there will be any. I'm thinking Sakurai feels like Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser are enough to complete the franchise. Remember, this game is about Nintendo "all-stars" people. This is why I am assuming that most of the new characters in this game will be from franchises who are not yet represented (Little Mac for ex.), and characters who are new to their franchise, but play an important role in their game (Chrom and Mewtwo; if you count Mewtwo as a newcomer). For some reason, I feel like we are not going to get a huge increase in characters this time around. There were 16 (including ZSS; 19 if you wanna count Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon) Newcomers from Melee to Brawl with 7 characters cut. If we are expecting no cuts, expect 9 or 10 newcomers; we already have 3.

 

[Deleted member]

@Thekewlusername: Sonic's friends getting little to no major roles barring Sonic, Eggman, and Tails has nothing to do with the quality of the games.
The quality of the games has everything to do with the quality of the games.

 

[Knight Dude]

@Thekewlusername: Sonic's friends getting little to no major roles barring Sonic, Eggman, and Tails has nothing to do with the quality of the games.
The quality of the games has everything to do with the quality of the games.

True. I was quick to pull out that card, my bad.

I think the only time where the amount of characters really, really screwed the gameplay over was in Sonic '06. Given that they had so many different characters that were actually playable, yet none of them were fully fine tuned. Which made an already bad game worse. I think the game could have been like, 3 times better(but still likely bad)if they simply focused on the three characters that were promoted Sonic, Shadow, and Silver. Instead of having like two or three per campaign. They kinda wasted what little time they had in development adding gameplay aspects for Tails, Knuckles ect. ect.

Maybe in Sonic Heroes too, if one campaign was available, and then maybe they could have added like one more set of levels. But that's debatable.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Oreon is more intimidating than Sylveon.

10/10 wish this was real.

No seriously. I really want this to be an actual Pokemon.

 

[Deleted member]

@Thekewlusername:
'06 was just a product of the holiday rush. Because they focused more on finishing it quick enough to be released for the Christmas season, they failed to actually fine tune the game to make it even remotely decent.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

IMO, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow should be the only playable characters in ONE single campaign. Maybe Amy too, but only if everything is fine-tuned first.

 

[Hotfeet444]

IMO, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow should be the only playable characters in ONE single campaign. Maybe Amy too, but only if everything is fine-tuned first.

Oh yes...I remember Amy...her obnoxious second jump that gave you no horizontal distance as it only went straight up, and for some odd reason she was given invisibility...well, not really invisibility, they just removed the model and called it invisibility. Good times...Good times...why do I still own that game...

 

[BluePikmin11]

10/10 wish this was real.

No seriously. I really want this to be an actual Pokemon.

But there will be legal issues.

 

[Knight Dude]

@Thekewlusername:
'06 was just a product of the holiday rush. Because they focused more on finishing it quick enough to be released for the Christmas season, they failed to actually fine tune the game to make it even remotely decent.

Again, that's true. But I just wanted to point out that some of the fat could have been trimmed so to speak. Making the game slightly less terrible. Nothing would have saved that game being crap wrapped with garbage and then being formatted into a disc.

IMO, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow should be the only playable characters in ONE single campaign. Maybe Amy too, but only if everything is fine-tuned first.

Yeah, that would have been cool. Maybe one day.

 

[Deleted member]

A way to trim the fat would have been to exclude Silver altogether and not leave a lot of plotholes due to his very existence (such as how they handled Blaze).
One would think they would have learned from Sonic Adventure that being forced into drastically different gameplay that's slow and irritating isn't a good idea.
(Yes, I am comparing Silver to Big. Amy too, but she got better.)

 

[SuperBrawler]

How bout everyone from Sonic Smash Bros.

I played that fan game as a kid.

 

[SchAlternate]

A way to trim the fat would have been to exclude Silver altogether and not leave a lot of plotholes due to his very existence (such as how they handled Blaze).
One would think they would have learned from Sonic Adventure that being forced into drastically different gameplay that's slow and irritating isn't a good idea.
(Yes, I am comparing Silver to Big)

IT'S NO USE!!

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Quite frankly, they just should have never have made Silver. At the very least, they could have gave him a better voice and not make his boss battle cheap as hell.

 

[FinalStarmen]

EDIT: If this is to continue on any longer, I'd suggest we'd do so on another thread, specifically one related to Fire Emblem. We're not exactly doing anybody favors with this sleep-inducing debate.

...this is still going...alriiiight.

Are you going to assume I simply ignore your rebuttal without giving a counter-rebuttal?

No, I keep stating that people predict Chrom BECAUSE he's recent. Not that he would be added for recency. Should go back and read that.

Judging by the connotations of your conversations about Chrom (although not all of them), you almost always seem to bring up Chrom's recency against him, as if that is crux of all the Chrom's support-base' argumentation. Yes, there is some flux of flummoxed Chrom supporters who only recognize Chrom out of recency, I will not deny this. However, this sort of unreliable support doesn't necessarily entail as such to all of the Chrom support-base. Despite this, you have insistently mentioned the term time and time again, giving the implications that it is the only course of logic being particularly applied by the support-base ("Chrom is recent, therefore he's a shoo-in") when it isn't.

It is quite difficult to discern the overall meaning of one's words without misconstruing it's original intent, especially in this colloquial environment (thanks to MorbidAltruism) where indefinitely-defined statements can either refer to specification or generalization. Perhaps if you want the quality of your statements to be met with a resound understanding, some quantification would be most helpful.

Isn't this only in a few cutscenes? Because my massive Fire Emblem fan friend has informed me that it is only in cutscenes. Even from watching walkthroughs I haven't really seen him do this during gameplay.

I should clarify this with a correction - most of Chrom's regular attacks, and even activation of abilities, generally emanate an orange-like aura with sparks flying about. However, there are instances in which blue-aura is also used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NpJ_afFukQ (Credit to Jaytalks)

At around the 3:30 mark, specifically at 3:42, Chrom emanates a blue-whitish aura around his sword, which presumably powers his finishing blow on the enemy. Also around the 5:57 mark, when Chrom and Lucina fight each in Arena Ferox, Lucina also activates this aura-like substance around her sword; considering there is historical precedence for playable characters to acquire attacks and abilities from other characters within their own respective universe (e.g. Lucas), I could envision Sakurai would adjust Chrom move-set accordingly as so.

Technically speaking, from a practical standpoint, I'd assume most of Chrom's regular attacks, such as simple sword-swinging or even counter-shielding, would invoke orange-like aura with sparks flying around, while the majority of his Specials and even directional Smashes would instead invoke the blue-whitish aura from the Awakening cut-scenes.

This is assuming the Aura isn't just in cutscenes.

While the aura is not necessarily character-development for Chrom, it is still reference material for the aesthetic features built around Chrom's attacks and abilities. The Falchion (or perhaps Parallel Falchion, in this case) is character-likeliness enough for Chrom, as is the Sword of Seals for Roy.

Like what?

Every logically-consistent, and not-so-logically-consistent, argument you have presented thus far against Chrom (i.e. a case of recency, lack of uniqueness, doesn't provide anything special, Marth semi-clone material) can also be directly applied to Roy, as both character do share these speculatively-qualitative traits. Yet, through a cognitive case of confirmation biases, you only perceive these examinations as detrimental to Chrom alone, rather than both Chrom and Roy.

Why is it unfair to compare their popularity when so many people are comparing the two characters as if they DO have equal footing upon equal ground. Don't you yourself think that? If Fire Emblem characte rinclusion is based on popularity, shouldn't we be comparing the popularity of nominees to determine who is more likely?

Let me clarify my statements accordingly, so as to not provoke confusion:

When you were originally assessing their popularity through a comparison between these characters, I assumed you were asserting Chrom would not be a popular character inclusion, whereas Roy would. If Chrom were to be included, I have no doubt he would have some measure of popularity as all Fire Emblem characters have beforehand. Popularity, whether real or perceived to be, is an important factor.


In fact, I believe Roy is somewhat more likely than Chrom; I have never stated otherwise. The issues I am pressing with you have nothing to do with their probability, but rather their possibilities; My contentious dispute is with the manner in which you present your persuasive argumentation against Chrom's and for Roy's potential, because it is bullet-riddled with logical fallacies and perceptive biases. As I have stated previously, whatever Roy is capable of, so is Chrom, and vice-versa.


We should just end this petty quarrel over the popularity contest between Chrom and Roy, because it is rather detracting from the overall discussion about their potentiality.

You said the exact same thing and I told you that you can't prove that because Lyn became popular without Super Smash Brothers, what is your basis for saying Roy wouldn't have become popular without it? You have none. You can't prove Roy would not be popular without Melee. Saying it doesn't prove it.

There is quite an observable distinction in between the two that you are indiscriminately overlooking.

Lyndis' game (Fire Emblem: Rekka no Ken) actually saw not only an overseas release outside of Japan, but also the first ever internationally released Fire Emblem title that gave North Americans and Europeans their first-time exposure to this RPG series (prior to this, Fire Emblem was a Japan-only series).Had only Marth been introduced in Melee, as I have stated in my hypothetical situation, then Lyndis and Ike (from internationally released titles) would be more highly-requested as playable characters, rather than Roy (who would have only had Japan as a popularity factor, and not just North America and Europe).

Roy's game (Fire Emblem: Binding Blade) never saw an international release. Therefore, he would have no such exposure to the audiences in both North America and Europe. The comparisons to Sigurd and Leaf are appropriate because they are also examples of Japanese-only Lords whose requests are, again, virtually non-existent. How would Roy fare any better without such recognition or repute among the global hemispheres?

Now, obviously Japan has higher priority over the other two countries (in terms of what character requests Sakurai observes), so I am taking this into consideration. Would Roy be a popular suggestion? Perhaps, but would it rival Ike's or Lyndis'? Also, when you consider Sakurai asking Intelligent Systems for assistance in assigning Fire Emblem characters, would Intelligent Systems choose Ike (as they did over Lyndis) or would they choose Roy? They would choose Ike because 1) Marth is already the (previously) Japanese-only Lord and 2) the Fire Emblem series is now an international series, which would then be more reasonable to present an international Lord in Ike rather than a Japanese-only Lord in Roy.

When did I? I'm simply stating that he could have still become popular enough without. Where as you stupidly claim with no evidence that he'd be as popular as Sigurd.

First of all, "stupidly claim"? That's a pretty obnoxiously childish response, especially given that I have treated you with the up-most respect in regards to our respective difference. I'd rather you not test my patience - it is wearing thin as it is, and so will my kindness and generosity if it is to be so.

Secondly, I've already explained this earlier a few paragraphs ago, so I will not bear to repeat myself so indulgently.

We're not talking about how popular Roy was before Melee. That's not relevant to this conversation. Besides it's not like there was anyone else to pick from besides Leif. So I still fail to see how this is relevant.

Again, already explained this.

Funny how you only assume this, yet you also confirmed it earlier.

Wrong choice in wording, yet it is within my assumption (translation: not a reality-based principle of a factual confirmation, but an educated guess based on the subjective perception of what is perceived as objectively-inclined surrounding evidence) this would be so. Because we are discussing theoretical matters, we can only go off of assumptions, as you and I do whence speculating.

Roy has 2 things where Chrom has one, which he shares with Roy. Roy can do exactly what Chrom can with the addition of something only HE can.

Fire-based elemental attacks, I assume? Aura-based energy attacks would work just as well as a counterpart.

Again, you are not reading the statement made. You are instead ignoring it entirely and proceeding to state something that is irrelevant to the statement. I said Roy has more appearances because of DLC. I never said this appearance currently puts him in a more significant role in that game or that this is something special for Roy at the time. It's simple fact that because of DLC Roy has had more appearances in the gaming world. You can't say that because this isn't an important appearance that it is not an appearance period. The bush in Super Mario Brothers served no significance when it appeared in the first game, but you can't in fact deny that it DID appear in that first game. I don't see what's so difficult to understand about this...

Then... Roy and the bush from Super Mario Brothers have something in common? That's incomparable, as Roy's optionality as a DLC character would actually allow usage of the character if the player wishes to be so, whereas the bush is simply a background element without purpose. Why are we even discussing this?

I do not deny Roy has had an additional appearance within the Fire Emblem series, albeit as a DLC character (which isn't even all that important in the grand scheme of everything). Yet, despite your earlier statements regarding Roy's DLC appearance as not putting him "in a more significant role in that game", you still constantly bring up the DLC appearance as if it does put him on some sort of threshold for significance.

The difficulty, then, lies within us speaking over each other.



TL:DR: The same as before: whatever positive/problematic aspects Roy is attributed to, so does Chrom, and vice-versa. In other words, tirelessly boring discussion nobody in their right minds would think about.





I'd much rather prefer the Avatar over Chrom and Roy for playable character inclusion.

 

[MargnetMan23]

I'd much rather prefer the Avatar over Chrom and Roy for playable character inclusion.

Well this argument is getting tiresome but... Still...
Robin guys... ROBIN! BEST OF BOTH WORLDS I TELL YOU! Except for that whole highly requested thing... Eh **** it.