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FlareHabanero

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Like I say, we should only get Marth and Ike, just to piss off everyone. It's not like it will be a drastic game changer at all, but if nobody can be happy then don't even bother.
 
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Xenoblaze said:
BUT THINK OF MUH FAMILIARITY BKUPA!

THINK OF THE MUH FAMILIARITY!
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Not just MUH FAMILIARITY, but THE MUH FAMILIARITY, huh...

If Gimpyfish can stomach the loss of the Gimpyfish Combo, everyone else can bear to lose "Warlock Punch." Gag. The fact that such a thing ever made it into Smash as a move makes me wish Sakurai had kept Dedede in Melee and saved original Ganondorf for Brawl.
 
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If Ganondorf is keeping the hand-to-hand combat style (which I'd honestly prefer to giving him a sword for the sake of giving him a sword), he should take more cues from Akuma (and I don't mean become a Shotoclone).


EDIT: In retrospect, it would make a nice nod to Demise resembling Oni (Akuma's demon state).
 
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Swampasaur said:
Well thought out snippet you made there FinalStarmen.

Ya done good!
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Muh words = Muh logic apparently. It's funny that you people will praise anything in your favor even when it addresses things never stated or has many flaws in it's logic. 16 likes is a lot for a post with so many things wrong with it. But, hey so long as it's collections of irrelevant facts and length give the illusion that our point was made sufficiently. Then we should be all set.

Not to rant on his post, which made true points, but I have to say that a lot of the points made were either flawed or not relevant to the subject at hand. I'm just simply surprised it was so praised when it failed to meet the point of the conversation.
 
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SaturnGamer64 said:
Even if IS suggested Chrom, Sakurai very well might not agree due to Chrom simply having no uniqueness outside of a lance.
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*sigh* It is in this good old hypothetical situation where Robin has a large chance.

But nobody cares about Robin... Nobody will ever give him/her a second thought...
 
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FinalStarmen said:
What I don't understand is why you consistently attack Chrom for all these incredibly-biased and fallacious reasons, disregarding that one would have attacked Roy with the very same reasoning (had Roy been made well aware as a character). In terms of recency, Chrom is a fairly recently-introduced Lord from a fairly recently-introduced game, while Roy wasn't even introduced until after Melee (and thus even more recent than Chrom would be). In terms of popularity, Chrom is incredibly popular star within his own constellation and pretty well-requested as a Super Smash Brothers character, while Roy is already immensely popular in both this universe and his own (popularity boosted through an appearance in Super Smash Brothers, which I will address momentarily). In terms of uniqueness, Chrom is somewhat crippled by his comparative similarities to Marth, which may-or-may-not affect his moveset, while Roy was the straightforward clone of Marth (hence we are dealing with contrasting a hypothetical position versus an actual confirmation of a previous one).

(EDIT: It also just occurred to me you might have actually referred to Chrom as a one-off character... just like Roy.)

Now, of course, when we compare the two characters, I will concede Roy has distinctively-unique advantages over Chrom in certain categories, yet almost all of them have to do with Roy actually participating in a Super Smash Brothers title. Is Chrom less popular? I will grant you that, but that is because Roy actually had an appearance with Super Smash Brothers, and thus more overall exposure to various fan-bases. With all considered, Chrom is still fairly popular (just ask Opossum about what polls say), just not at Roy level. Is Chrom less significant? Perhaps, but then again, without Super Smash Brothers, Roy would be as iconic as Leaf and Sigurd to non-Fire Emblem fans - not at all.

But is Chrom less unique? That is quite debatable. Perhaps it would be appropriate to bring up some of the conversation I've had with ChronoBound over this matter: a comparison between the two characters in terms of qualitative attributes:


1. When comparing the fundamental elements of Roy to those of Marth, what exactly differentiates the two Fire Emblem Lords from what they offer to the overall roster of Super Smash Brothers, specifically in relation to their identical (but not indistinguishable) move-sets? I'll explain momentarily. Which also leads me to:
A. If Roy's moveset can be programmed in a more distinct manner from Marth, then why can't Chrom's?
B. If Roy's moveset cannot be (for whatever reason) programmed in a more distinct manner from Marth, then what purpose should Roy provide, other than popular fan-service?

Now, of course, we can form an inverse of the same application towards Chrom (as a form of reference):

2. When comparing the potential fundamental elements of Chrom to those of Marth/Ike, what exactly differentiates Chrom from the other two in what they offer to the overall roster of Super Smash Brothers, specifically in relation to their move-sets? Leading into:
A. If Chrom's moveset can be programmed in a more distinct manner from Marth/Ike, then why can't Roy's?
B. If Chrom's moveset cannot be (for whatever reason) programmed in a more distinct manner from Marth/Ike, then what purpose should Chrom provide, other than a measure of having recency?


It would be foolish of me to consider Chrom and Roy's attributable values as entirely correlated based upon their apparent similarities, yet it would be equally foolish not to take careful notice of such similarities if we are to discuss their differences.

All Roy has going for him in terms of uniqueness is his physical features being far-more aesthetically pleasing to the eye, so while it is essential to consider outward appearance as a deciding factor, it is not the deciding factor of a character's overall uniqueness. What type of game-play they can bring to the balance of the roster's fighters is another crucial aspect of uniqueness, one that concerns both Chrom and Roy in a questionable manner.



In addressing your statements regarding Roy as a DLC character, I must bring up one major point of contention, and another of concession.


The contention: Being a component of Awakening DLC is incredibly insignificant to a Fire Emblem characters' chances, considering they are an optional asset that doesn't in any way significantly effect the main-game story-line whatsoever. Roy's appearance as DLC, while technically reappearing in a main series game, 1) goes for all Lords of previous iterations of the series and 2) is reduced to a discretionary position of optionality, not as a majorly important character. Awakening DLC means next to nothing.

The concession: What I believe RoysOurBoy was trying to convey was whether or not Masahiro Sakurai and Intelligent Systems is done with the Roy character in terms of his utility and functionality to both Super Smash Brothers and Fire Emblem. If so, I disagree wholeheartedly.

I do not necessarily agree Roy's absence from the mainstream titles would be detrimental to his surviving endurance in popularity (considering almost all Lords have a lifespan of one game); more-or-less, I assume (perhaps incorrectly) RoyOurBoy is worried about Intelligent Systems requesting Sakurai to implement Chrom for the sake of advertisement of Awakening, and perhaps the SMT X FE crossover, simply because he is a recently-recognizable character that would be more-so familiar to the generational parts of the whole fan-base sum (although the iconic Marth and Ike would also do just as well). In fact, if Roy were to return, then by all means, an English-translated remake is very much possible (although it didn't serve Lucas any favors for Mother 3).


However, it still does raise the question of how Roy is importantly perceived through priority. Personally, if Sakurai is willing to grant the popular suggestion in returning Mewtwo to playable inclusion, then I see no reason to not bring back Roy as well.



Obviously, complications occurred. Interestingly, while many others may believe that Roy's spectacular return would also herald the equally-if-not-more-so spectacular return of Mewtwo, I also somewhat believe in the inverse - Mewtwo's resurrection from the unplayable dead may prove the same for Roy. Currently, my perception of the situation is that Mewtwo upholds higher priority, and therefore should be the first cut Melee veteran to be brought back, followed by Roy.


I'm only trying to speak the dubious words of the Devil's Advocate, as I would support the inclusion of Roy more-so than Chrom (if such a choice came down to those two). My issues, then, lie not within your support of Roy and detraction of Chrom, but rather the reasoning for such support and detraction.


TL:DR: A case of throwing rocks in glass houses. Both Roy and Chrom are plagued with the same disease their detractors say they suffer from (lack of uniqueness in analytic comparison to their own counterparts) so it is quite hypocritical for one support-base to detract on the other character for the same infliction their own character suffers from equally.
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I kind want Robin (The Avatar From Fire Emblem Awakening) get in over Chrom/Lucina
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Swampasaur said:
Well thought out snippet you made there FinalStarmen.

Ya done good!
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Muh words = Muh logic apparently. It's funny that you people will praise anything in your favor even when it addresses things never stated or has many flaws in it's logic. 16 likes is a lot for a post with so many things wrong with it. But, hey so long as it's collections of irrelevant facts and length give the illusion that our point was made sufficiently. Then we should be all set.

Not to rant on his post, which made true points, but I have to say that a lot of the points made were either completely hypocritical to what it was defending or not relevant to the subject at hand. I'm just simply surprised it was so praised when it failed to meet the point of the conversation.
 
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GoldenYuiitusin said:
If Ganondorf is keeping the hand-to-hand combat style (which I'd honestly prefer to giving him a sword for the sake of giving him a sword), he should take more cues from Akuma (and I don't mean become a Shotoclone).
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Yes, take more cues from Akuma. The first thing to do...actually be a really good character, because as a player of Akuma in a majority of Street Fighter games, and in the crossovers, he's actually alot better than the character he's accordingly cloned off of. And if you don't want to give him a sword and make him a swordsman, at least give it to him for SOME attacks, because that has become a large part of his character, and a large part of characters that have possible direct relation to Ganondorf (AKA Demise)
 
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I'm sure Ganondorf will get minor revamps, but since we're on a time budget I think Sakurai will mostly keep him the way he is. I think he feels Ganondorf is beneficial that way so long as he has magic and brute strength considering he was kept that way even in Brawl. I mean if you can come up with a unique move set based on the sword, I'd like to see it.

What bothers me is just when people suggest a trident or Demise powers. First of all doesn't having the trident as his main weapon defeat the purpose of having GanonDORF? Sakurai will add him in Ganon form if he's gonna go to that length. And Demise's powers?.....just why? Might as well give Link his Skyward Sword items too.
 
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One thing for sure is that we won't get any steps backwards. Like, the Ganondorf we have now won't try to go back to being an extremely obvious Captain Falcon clone, but instead slowly stray away from it with each installment.

By the way, that is one criticism I have with Project M. Falco being like his Melee counterpart pisses me off, especially when it's inconsistent with every other clone character getting different attacks.
 
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SaturnGamer64 said:
Muh words = Muh logic apparently. It's funny that you people will praise anything in your favor even when it addresses things never stated or has many flaws in it's logic. 16 likes is a lot for a post with so many things wrong with it. But, hey so long as it's collections of irrelevant facts and length give the illusion that our point was made sufficiently. Then we should be all set.

Not to rant on his post, which made true points, but I have to say that a lot of the points made were either flawed or not relevant to the subject at hand. I'm just simply surprised it was so praised when it failed to meet the point of the conversation.
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Now see, I have the feeling you're pissed at me because you quoted me but you're not even talking about me... Unless of course, you're implying that I'm stupid for agreeing with him, which is insulting.

Are you just ranting now? Because you should have said that to HIM. Not me.
 
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What will Roy's move set be like if he gets in? Will Ike's Neutral Special be changed or will Roy's? Because if not we'd have Ike be like a Luigified Roy. I guess Roy's Side Special might actually shoot flames like in the game.

Also that his Neutral Special be similar to this and maybe damage people as he charges it similar to Mewtwo & Lucario


I'm also thinking that maybe his Upward Special only goes straight up, and for his downward smash he only swings his sword to the left rather than back and forth.
 
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Oh boy, I love rants. Give me a good rant with a side of loaded revolver so that I can put myself out of the misery of having to read such inane amounts of obnoxious dribble that I, nor anyone else, should ever have to read.
 
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Swampasaur said:
Now see, I have the feeling you're pissed at me because you quoted me.
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The **** made you think I'm pissed at you? You guys get riled up way too easily. Which is starting to piss ME off.

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but you're not even talking about me...
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Oh, well excuse me for not taking the time to quote every single person. I must be out to get you.

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Unless of course, you're implying that I'm stupid for agreeing with him, which is insulting.
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Do you people always jump to such harsh inclusions? Yes, Swampasaur! I quoted your praise of a post and said I simply disagree with how great you described the post. I clearly must hate you and want your head on a silver platter.

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Are you just ranting now? Because you should have said that to HIM. Not me.
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Yes, I'm ranting. That's why I specifically said I'm NOT ranting and only stated that his post contained illogical or irrelevant points. I'm clearly ranting.

I swear, pleasing you people is just impossible. It's like a psychological game that you can't win. Sometimes I feel like a babysitter when I'm on this thread. I mean this play is just always full of paranoid pitchfork wielders. So much that a newcomer literally left this site immediately when he joined it for stating some illogical opinions. I feel really bad for that guy, it's probably why we don't get a lot of newbies on here.

Now I'm ranting.
 
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What the hell man? Everything just went Bizarro World in here.

Does this mean... Wario confirmed for tomorrow?
 
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SaturnGamer64 said:
Do you guys just take people's word for it? There is literally no post or quote of me ranting on anything. Do you even read before blindly posting? My assumption is yes.
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THAT'S IT! I'M GOING TO RANT ABOUT SATURN'S RANTS ABOUT PEOPLE RANTING ABOUT SATURN'S RANTS!

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Stupid **** right? =P
 
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SaturnGamer64 said:
What will Roy's move set be like if he gets in? Will Ike's Neutral Special be changed or will Roy's? Because if not we'd have Ike be like a Luigified Roy. I guess Roy's Side Special might actually shoot flames like in the game.

Also that his Neutral Special be similar to this and maybe damage people as he charges it similar to Mewtwo & Lucario


I'm also thinking that maybe his Upward Special only goes straight up, and for his downward smash he only swings his sword to the left rather than back and forth.
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I agree on the idea of a flaming projectile, but heavily disagree with Blazer going straight up. One of Blazer's main advantages over Dolphin Slash is it's stronger horizontal movement, allowing for Roy to recover better horizontally then Marth.
 
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We are not all superhumans Saturn. ;)


Xenoblaze said:
I agree on the idea of a flaming projectile, but heavily disagree with Blazer going straight up. One of Blazer's main advantages over Dolphin Slash is it's stronger horizontal movement, allowing for Roy to recover better horizontally then Marth.
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That flaming projectile should belong to Takamaru.
 
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BluePikmin11 said:
We are not all superhumans Saturn. ;)
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Are you implying you have to be a super human in order to read before complaining about something on the thread that isn't even happening?

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I'm sorry Saturn.
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Ironic, because it was intentionally referring to the idiots complaining about ranting before there was any ranting. Basically you can just claim something is happening and then everyone will believe you.

Basically what you've done is made a false accusation of someone ranting based on your own paranoia which in turn led to hypocritical idiots who don't read, ranting about a non existent rant. Congratulations, you really contributed to the thread today! It's not often we get millions of users going off topic and ranting about **** that never happened. Oh, wait it is. But, I guess we needed more of that. So thanks. Let's just forget about Super Smash Brothers and play Super Bicker Brothers all day. Would that be better?
 
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SaturnGamer64 said:
Do you guys just take people's word for it? There is literally no post or quote of me ranting on anything. Do you even read before blindly posting? My assumption is yes.
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Now I'm ranting.
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somebody just screwed himself,
Hotfeet444 said:
No! Pittoo! You were so original and have so much to live for! Ah what the hell am I saying in a situation like this, TAKE ME WITH YOU!
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then feel free to join me in the H***
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Can't let ya do that, Dark Pit! :troll:
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also guys this is my 1,000th post, woohoo! the wolf is a regular now!


 
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Before I respond to Mr.SaturnGamer's questionable assertions, I'm just going to take issue with this statement.

SaturnGamer64 said:
Muh words = Muh logic apparently. It's funny that you people will praise anything in your favor even when it addresses things never stated or has many flaws in it's logic. 16 likes is a lot for a post with so many things wrong with it. But, hey so long as it's collections of irrelevant facts and length give the illusion that our point was made sufficiently. Then we should be all set.
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Henceforth, I will refer to this as:

EddyBear's Excuse:

During an online debate between two individual parties, whenever a multiple amount of people like a particular status from one party while ignoring the other, the probability that the other party will take issue with the amount of likes the other party has approaches one.


I'm willing to state that had the same amount of people liked your post instead of mine, you would take no issue to it whatsoever. Besides this, who in the seven hells cares? This is not a popularity contest (although the nature of debates usually makes it so, which I'd rather avoid), so don't make it one.
 
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