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Rebellious Treecko

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I guess before I go to bed, I guess I should create a new topic.

The archetype thing I've brought up before, you're probably familiar with it. I generally like to divide it up to two categories, one for design and one for gameplay. Both compliment each other in order to create a whole, without one the other wouldn't work. Design referring to the character itself, like the characteristics of a character that helps create substance. A character can be fleshed out based on the general demeanor that is presented, like say Captain Falcon being inspired by sentai works or R.O.B. being inspired by sci-fi robotics. I suppose in this sense, many characters can have a moveset based around their design. I mean naturally a character with legs and arms can punch, or a character with a weapon like a sword or hammer can swing it around, but you got to really think of how you can mix it all together. Like take Takamaru for example, the samurai archetype typical in fiction tends to emphasize the idea of lightning fast attacks and keen reaction, often using techniques that kind of defies the standard rules of wielding a weapon. Realistically, types of martial arts could also be incorporated, like battojutsu or laijutsu.

Gameplay meanwhile is more tricky, but follows similar conventions. Every character follows rules of gameplay, typically it can come from the design and the balance. How a character plays is vital because it can easily make or break a character, and of course it's normally encouraged to promote diversity. The most basic way to determine how a character would play is by design alone, like a big bulky character would be slow yet strong but a small scrawny character would be fast but weak. Of course it can also be contributed to other factors, like a character emphasizing some sort of weapon like a gun or having magic/psychic abilities would also incorporate projectiles into the gameplay. But the most important thing to remember is that there should be a balance, notably for every pro there should be a few cons to counterbalance it in order to prevent a imbalanced metagame. It's also worth mentioning that combining different playstyles and movesets will create many variations, even something as simple as tweaking mechanics between two similar characters can change the prospective of play (like Marth and Roy).
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But in all seriousness, I understand what you mean.

In short, The design is good on the eyes, while also helping with the moves and playstyle which affects gameplay, also, balance and similar stuff, right?

Different parts which harmonize to create a whole.

I think I get your last point, too.
Marth's forte is speed and "tipping", and when making Roy, they took those away while giving him a small bit of power. However, that damaged Roy greatly, and he's near the bottom of the tier list compared to Marth.


Okay guys!

Name three newcomers who you feel should wall jump.

Name three newcomers who you feel should wall cling.

Name three newcomers who you feel should crawl.

Name three newcomers who you feel should glide.

Go get em!
Wall Jump:
-A FE character?
-???
-???

Wall Cling:
-Grovyle (PMD2)
-???
-???

Crawl:
-Rayman
-Toon Link (veteran)
-???

Glide:
-Sora
-Starfy
-Ridley

Name three newcomers who you feel should glide.

Ridley, Dixie Kong, and Waluigi.
Lol. Based off his air swimming, right?

I got some:

Name three newcomer characters who you feel should have multiple jumps.
-Petey Piranha
-???
-???

Name three newcomers characters who you feel should have have a taunt that does damage.
-Louie (he falls asleep and his Pikmin carry him and throw him forward a bit)
-???
-???

Name three newcomer characters that possesses a transformation of sorts (whether via attack, FS, or taunt).
-Medeus
-Toon Zelda
-???

Name three veterans that could use a new Final Smash.
-Toon Link
-Falco
-Wolf
(kinda obvious, really)

Name three veterans that should be nerfed.
-Ganondorf :troll:
-???
-???

Name three veterans that should be buffed.
-???
-???
-???

Edit: Sigh. Just my luck that I'd get the last post on the page.

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And with that, my **** has officially been lost.

Edit:



Spoke too soon.
How could anyone think sonic looks like that!


........
So don't kid yourself Bidoof, you aren't the worst this thread has seen.
That's the nicest thing a mod has ever said to me!


Okay guys!

Name three newcomers who you feel should wall jump.

Name three newcomers who you feel should wall cling.

Name three newcomers who you feel should crawl.

Name three newcomers who you feel should glide.

Go get em!
Wall Jump:
Dixie, Boswer Jr., Takamaru

Wall Cling:
Dixie, Takamaru, FF Heroes

Crawl:
Tetra, Muddy Mole, FF Heroes

Glide:
Dr. Kawashima :troll:, Skull kid (with majoras mask), Ridley


I got some:

Name three newcomer characters who you feel should have multiple jumps.

Name three newcomers characters who you feel should have have a taunt that does damage.

Name three newcomer characters that possesses a transformation of sorts (whether via attack, FS, or taunt).

Name three veterans that could use a new Final Smash.

Name three veterans that should be nerfed.

Name three veterans that should be buffed.
Multiple Jumps:
N64, Ridley, Balloon Fighter

Transformation:
Mewtwo, Tetra, FF Heroes

New FS:
Falco, Wolf, Toon Link (an Lucas as a fourth)

Nerfed:
:metaknight: :snake: :pikachu2: (stupid down B spamming)

Buffed:
:ganondorf: :sonic: :pt:[/quote]
 

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Okay guys!

Name three newcomers who you feel should wall jump.

Name three newcomers who you feel should wall cling.

Name three newcomers who you feel should crawl.

Name three newcomers who you feel should glide.

Go get em!
1. Lyn, WFT (hasn't been shown, yet), Dixie
2. Ridley, Lyn, Bandanna Dee
3. Dixie, Little Mac, and Metroid (It needs to crawl someday :troll:)
I got some:

Name three newcomer characters who you feel should have multiple jumps.

Name three newcomers characters who you feel should have have a taunt that does damage.

Name three newcomer characters that possesses a transformation of sorts (whether via attack, FS, or taunt).

Name three veterans that could use a new Final Smash.

Name three veterans that should be nerfed.

Name three veterans that should be buffed.
1. Ridley, Bandanna Dee, Mega Charizard
2. Ridley, K. Rool, Little Mac
3. Mewtwo, Lucario, Charizard
4. Wolf, Falco, and Toon Link
5. Meta Knight, Olimar, Snake
6. Samus, Bowser, Ganondorf
 

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I think I get your last point, too.
Marth's forte is speed and "tipping", and when making Roy, they took those away while giving him a small bit of power. However, that damaged Roy greatly, and he's near the bottom of the tier list compared to Marth.
Well if you want to get technical, there are the differences between Marth and Roy.

-Both characters have a sweetspot on their sword, Marth on the tip and Roy on the base.
-Roy has higher falling speed; meaning his recovery capabilties are worse but has a stronger SHFFL to compensate
-Roy has a marginally slower dash speed.
-Some of Roy's attacks like his neutral aerial and smash attacks are marginally slower.
-Roy's up smash hits multiple times and has a extremely situational spike at the tip, Marth's simply inflicts more damage at the tip.
-Marth's down tilt knocks the opponent horizontally, while Roy's knocks them vertically.
-Roy, on a technical standpoint, actually boasts slightly less power for a majority of his attacks, with a few exceptions like down smash and up throw.
-Marth's down aerial has spike/meteor smash properties at the tip, Roy's has a smaller hitbox roughly at the base of his torso and weaker knockback.
-Marth's Shield Breaker is weaker, but it charges fast with no recoil. Roy's Flare Blade has a slower charge and recoil when fully charge, but is stronger.
-Marth's Dancing Blade and Roy's Double-Edge Dance are similar, the main differences is that Dancing Blade increases in damage while Double-Edge Dance decreases in damage with each successful input, and on the third attack tilted down Dancing Blade inflicts a spike while Roy's hits multiple times with a fire effect.
-Marth's Dolphin Slash inflicts a single hit that is based on the position of the attack, the sooner the stronger. Roy's Blazer has multiple hit properties, the direction can be manipulated, is slower, and it's knockback is based on weight instead of damage (you can actually KO Jigglypuff at 0% with the attack). Both can be reversed.
-Marth's Counter always does 7% damage, while Roy's has a slower start up and smaller duration but inflicts 1.5x amount of damage.

The main reason why Roy fails to gain a lot of success is that his Sword of Seals properties being based around the base, meaning that he generally has a much harder time inflicting damage. Other problems include his worse recovery and bad aerial game. Marth's tip generally gives him the range and safety to KO opponents and potentially combo attacks, while because of Roy's hitbox properties he cannot rely on the same thing and instead needs to preform repetitive chain grabs and down tilts to make progress. He's generally outclassed by Marth because of those characteristics, though at the same time Roy boasts a few characteristics that are better then Marth, like being arguably faster then Marth due to his stronger SHFFL capabilities and can pressure edge guarding better due to the multiple hit properties of the Blazer.

This is of course based on the Melee incarnation, when Project M version 3.0 comes around this may or may not be relevant (leaning on the latter).
 

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View attachment 3873 can somebody grade my roster.....:happysheep:
I'd remove Krystal and Lucina, and put both Wolf and Ike back in. Those replacements are highly doubtful. I'd add Lucario back as well.

While I like Paper Mario, I don't know that another Mario character is all that likely. It's a decent roster, but I would say to pick one of Lip or Takamaru, and remove Krystal and Lucina.
 

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Don't know why so many people think Krystal is going to replace Wolf when Wolf is generally the more popular choice. Kind of backwards if you ask me.
 

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If we're looking at Rosters...here's mine.



Newcomers in Green, Veterans in Blue, DLC in Yellow

I used to have Wonder Red in my roster, but I feel like he'd be better as a DLC character. I would prefer K.Rool in my roster, but either he or Dixie are fair choices. You can switch them at your own discretion.

Palutena I feel isn't a necessity for Smash Bros., but if DLC is used, I think she would be a great character for it.

Bowser Jr. is in there as just another character really.

The Fire Emblem icon is in reference to your own preference between Roy and Chrom. At this point I don't care who is put in the game, i'd be happy to see either of them.

Isaac is DLC because I just don't see him making the roster, but I do think he's a good choice for an add on.

The rest I think is self explanatory.
 

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Krystal,seriously,StarFox doesn't deserve a fourth character and Falco and Wolf are more important.
Also,I think that Kirby needs his slide in this Smash ...
 

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Reminds me back to the Pre-Brawl days, where after the whole woman misconception came into fruition, Krystal became deceptively more popular then Wolf and at every turn the Krystal supporters used to shoot down the prospective of Wolf at every opportunity because he would of been a clone and that is bad. The irony of course is that the Krystal supporters rarely actually talked from a gameplay prospective, while the Wolf supporters did it a lot more.
 

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If we're looking at Rosters...here's mine.



Newcomers in Green, Veterans in Blue, DLC in Yellow

I used to have Wonder Red in my roster, but I feel like he'd be better as a DLC character. I would prefer K.Rool in my roster, but either he or Dixie are fair choices. You can switch them at your own discretion.

Palutena I feel isn't a necessity for Smash Bros., but if DLC is used, I think she would be a great character for it.

Bowser Jr. is in there as just another character really.

The Fire Emblem icon is in reference to your own preference between Roy and Chrom. At this point I don't care who is put in the game, i'd be happy to see either of them.

Isaac is DLC because I just don't see him making the roster, but I do think he's a good choice for an add on.

The rest I think is self explanatory.
doesn't have Krystal, and keeps wolf so it immediately gets a 10/10
I say its really good, you have all the necessaries, plus you got a few extras in dlc,
(even if Palutena is in there, but there is the chance she couldn't even be in the game, let alone dlc, so its understandable)
the only thing that does bug me is 4 third party characters, but that's not a big bug.
either way its a good roster in my opinion

Reminds me back to the Pre-Brawl days, where after the whole woman misconception came into fruition, Krystal became deceptively more popular then Wolf and at every turn the Krystal supporters used to shoot down the prospective of Wolf at every opportunity because he would of been a clone and that is bad. The irony of course is that the Krystal supporters rarely actually talked from a gameplay prospective, while the Wolf supporters did it a lot more.
and in the end, they got burned, and we got wolf:wolf:
everybody wins:laugh:
 

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Reminds me back to the Pre-Brawl days, where after the whole woman misconception came into fruition, Krystal became deceptively more popular then Wolf and at every turn the Krystal supporters used to shoot down the prospective of Wolf at every opportunity because he would of been a clone and that is bad. The irony of course is that the Krystal supporters rarely actually talked from a gameplay prospective, while the Wolf supporters did it a lot more.
Wolf was actually more popular, but the Krystal fanbase was undeniably more loud.

I get the impression that Krystal's supporters are mostly furries and people who want female characters for the sake of adding female characters. She's not that relevant as some people think she is.

Krystal,seriously,StarFox doesn't deserve a fourth character and Falco and Wolf are more important.
Also,I think that Kirby needs his slide in this Smash ...
Could easily be his Down A. Also, your username is the name of my favorite Pokémon.
 

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Am I the only one getting sick of the front page being infested with ****tarded threads? There are more illegitimate character threads than actual contender threads! :facepalm:
 

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Am I the only one getting sick of the front page being infested with ****tarded threads? There are more illegitimate character threads than actual contender threads! :facepalm:

Honestly this is how I'm imagining the OPs for the threads are like.



But in the end it's not like they matter, the roster has most likely been set in stone a while ago.
 

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Hmm to try and start a convo lets play a game , .... if some thing went wrong in time and space that messed up that smash bros games rosters ... and you had to fix them ... but you had to replace all the fighters in the games with strange oddball choices from their universe ... how would the rosters for the 3 games look ?
 

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Okay guys!

Name three newcomers who you feel should wall jump.

Name three newcomers who you feel should wall cling.

Name three newcomers who you feel should crawl.

Name three newcomers who you feel should glide.

Go get em!

1) Dixie Kong, Bowser Jr, and Robin I guess. If we're talking confirmed characters then Megaman should too.

2) Isaac, Dillon, and maybe Shulk.

3) Ridley, Dixie(Diddy can crawl too right?), and Dillon

4) Ridley, Dixie, and Palutena



I got some:

Name three newcomer characters who you feel should have multiple jumps.

Name three newcomers characters who you feel should have have a taunt that does damage.

Name three newcomer characters that possesses a transformation of sorts (whether via attack, FS, or taunt).

Name three veterans that could use a new Final Smash.

Name three veterans that should be nerfed.

Name three veterans that should be buffed.


1) Falco, Samus, and Zelda.

2) Bowser, Wario, and King DeDeDe.

3) Ridley, Megaman(if confirmed newcomers count), and Little Mac.

4) Lucas, Falco, and Wolf

5) Meta-Knight, Snake, and Wario.

6) Mario, Sheik, Ganondorf.
 

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Okay guys!

Name three newcomers who you feel should wall jump.

Name three newcomers who you feel should wall cling.

Name three newcomers who you feel should crawl.

Name three newcomers who you feel should glide.

Go get em!
Genesect, Toad and Zoroark.

Dixie Kong, May's Blaziken and May's Grovyle.

Meowth, May's Mudkip and Bowser Jr.

Ridley, Starfy and Dark Pit.

I got some:

Name three newcomer characters who you feel should have multiple jumps.

Name three newcomers characters who you feel should have have a taunt that does damage.

Name three newcomer characters that possesses a transformation of sorts (whether via attack, FS, or taunt).

Name three veterans that could use a new Final Smash.

Name three veterans that should be nerfed.

Name three veterans that should be buffed.
Petey Piranha, Vaati and Prince Fluff.

Waluigi, King K. Rool and Girahim.

Toon Zelda, May and Blue.

:lucas:, :falco: and :wolf:.

:metaknight:, :snake: and :popo:.

:ganondorf:, :bowser2: and :pt: .
 

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*Look's at the thread's inactivity*
It's pretty dead, you guys ran out of topics?
I'm too busy to make one right now.
na, I think everybody went to go do something else,
I just left my self logged in while, to go listen to some music.
though bluepikmin Is right though, we need a new topic. . . . . . . .
okay I got.
what do you guys think of the chances are of getting 4 star fox characters in smash Wii u.
I think its virtually impossible
 

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na, I think everybody went to go do something else,
I just left my self logged in while, to go listen to some music.
though bluepikmin Is right though, we need a new topic. . . . . . . .
okay I got.
what do you guys think of the chances are of getting 4 star fox characters in smash Wii u.
I think its virtually impossible
only one with a chance is *sigh* ....Krystal.

it's that or no newcomers.
 

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So here's a topic.

Try to incorporate Zoroark's illusion ability into a gimmick / move for him.
 

?????????????

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So here's a topic.

Try to incorporate Zoroark's illusion ability into a gimmick / move for him.
This was my idea on it:

Down Special: Illusion

Zoroark takes the appearance of one of it's opponents. While disguised like this, Zoroark retains all of it's Special Moves and Final Smash, but replaces it's stats, normal moves, and throws with the copied opponent's. Using your Down Special again turns you back to normal.
 

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This was my idea on it:

Down Special: Illusion

Zoroark takes the appearance of one of it's opponents. While disguised like this, Zoroark retains all of it's Special Moves and Final Smash, but replaces it's stats, normal moves, and throws with the copied opponent's. Using your Down Special again turns you back to normal.
When you are attacked though, you turn back into Zoroark also. I think D-spec should be Substitute (Which allows you turn into a decoy that prevents up to 5 hits), while Illusion is N-Spec.
 

?????????????

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New retro character idea:

Mr. Stevenson from Gumshoe.



EDIT: Whadya know? The dude has a thread on here. Kinda surprised, kinda not.
 

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If we're looking at Rosters...here's mine.



Newcomers in Green, Veterans in Blue, DLC in Yellow

I used to have Wonder Red in my roster, but I feel like he'd be better as a DLC character. I would prefer K.Rool in my roster, but either he or Dixie are fair choices. You can switch them at your own discretion.

Palutena I feel isn't a necessity for Smash Bros., but if DLC is used, I think she would be a great character for it.

Bowser Jr. is in there as just another character really.

The Fire Emblem icon is in reference to your own preference between Roy and Chrom. At this point I don't care who is put in the game, i'd be happy to see either of them.

Isaac is DLC because I just don't see him making the roster, but I do think he's a good choice for an add on.

The rest I think is self explanatory.
I think popular newcomers being high priority, Palutena should be moved to the main roster.
Perhaps make Snake DLC instead.
 
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