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[T-block]

Sorry lol... I think you're old enough to be forming your own opinion though. I understand it might be intimidating to form an opinion and stick with it when you're younger than most people here, but it's a good thing to start doing. Read each post for content (try to ignore sarcasm, posting style, etc.) and extract the facts the person is bringing up, and the points that he is trying to make. Then, think about the validity of those points, along with your own ideals and morals (in this case, your very definition of what Brawl is and your idea on what's important in Brawl is very relevant to this debate), and try to come to a conclusion. I hope you can understand why I say your opinion doesn't hold very much weight when you appear to switch sides with every good post that's made for either side.

2-1 will probably become more common with the new stages, but I don't think that it will occur to any worrying extent. All this does is slightly shift the skill distribution towards those who can adapt to slightly more radical stages. Honestly, I don't see any change in results coming from this. Top 3 will stay top 3, and the rest of us are so inconsistent that any fluctuation in results can hardly be attributed to the change in ruleset to any convincing degree.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

the only reasons hyrule is neutral in 64 is due to lack of stages and balanced gameplay, no one really rules over the other in a match.

 

[Kuraudo]

Yeah Mike. I read it all. I'm not responding though.

 

[Limeee]

Sorry lol... I think you're old enough to be forming your own opinion though. I understand it might be intimidating to form an opinion and stick with it when you're younger than most people here, but it's a good thing to start doing. Read each post for content (try to ignore sarcasm, posting style, etc.) and extract the facts the person is bringing up, and the points that he is trying to make. Then, think about the validity of those points, along with your own ideals and morals (in this case, your very definition of what Brawl is and your idea on what's important in Brawl is very relevant to this debate), and try to come to a conclusion. I hope you can understand why I say your opinion doesn't hold very much weight when you appear to switch sides with every good post that's made for either side.

2-1 will probably become more common with the new stages, but I don't think that it will occur to any worrying extent. All this does is slightly shift the skill distribution towards those who can adapt to slightly more radical stages. Honestly, I don't see any change in results coming from this. Top 3 will stay top 3, and the rest of us are so inconsistent that any fluctuation in results can hardly be attributed to the change in ruleset to any convincing degree.

you still didn't respond to half my post... lmao
and i don't see any reason in spending more than 10 mins making a post when it might not even make a difference in the tournament, thats why brandon is pretty much the only one making a long (but good) argument

and i understand why you thought that before but do you still think that?

 

[Kuraudo]

Okay, after Tin Man's post in Alberta Beatdown?

There's nothing else that I can argue. Seriously. You are just wrong by this point.

I don't want our community to be mocked. I want us to be recognized for our skill. Because **** it it is here. But it's masked by our squaking over this crap.

 

[Limeee]

that is pretty embarrasing. sucks that they think all of us support the stage list

 

[x After Dawn x]

alberta is like the brawl laughing stock of the world right now

ec laughed at us for the scrubbiness and severe...what's the word

oh yeah, how behind in the metagame we are

 

[Yoshara]

So by that logic World HOBO 2 is unlegit because they have PTAD in CP and PS1 as a starter. What about how in Iowa they have recently had tourneys that had the starter list we are using for this event and it still saw quite a bit of out of state players? What about the fact that pretty much every region has a different stage list and most likely has something other reigions would disagree with?

P.S. Also people are forgetting that this stage list is mainly for testing what works with us and what doesn't so we can hopefully have a ruleset that works for Alberta.

 

[Limeee]

we should give half (or a quarter) of the starter pot to the Haiti incident thing. It could go with our familys donation. Dan doesn't need money as much as they do.

I'd say we should if the Haiti incident is still having trouble by the 30th

 

[Nelo Vergil]

Oh, any MM I have involving Marth is off, Im gonna be using Wario instead of Marth for the MM's (which might actually just be Luke). All Ike MM's are still standing though.

Also, what did you guys do to make us the scrubs of the world XD

 

[T-block]

Okay Brandon, now you're being a total idiot.

It's EC Canada -_- They have Pictochat and PS2 banned....honestly. And even if we were to care about being mocked, it's definitely NOT because of our stage list. We suck, and we're behind other regions. They mocked us before this stage list was ever pitched as well, in case you don't remember. And if you actually got upset over anything Iliad posted, that's pretty pathetic.

Stop being so ******** and think for a bit.

 

[Kuraudo]

Now you're down to personally insulting me. That's really becoming of you.

To hell with all of this. I actually try, and give my say on something and you **** all over it.

Do what you want. In fact, you, Luke, and whoever else runs Alberta Beatdown, do whatever the **** you want with those stages too. Let yourselves be "unique". I'm done.

 

[T-block]

I suppose you being so quick to say "alberta is a joke" is becoming then? I've got nothing against you, but the things you've said since EC posted were pretty stupid.

I'd love for you to quote where I **** on when you actually gave input on something, because I haven't.

 

[Nelo Vergil]

Stop being so ******** and think for a bit.

Heres a good start, Mike, I definetly agree with Brandon, you basically wrote him off on all his points, didnt even pay attention to most his post. You had my support, but your going to far with this stupid arguement. Seriously

 

[T-block]

=(

All right I'll tone it down a bit. That comment was not related to stages in any way though - it was only about his reaction to EC.

What do you propose we do then, Adam.

 

[~Firefly~]

That was a pretty lousy way to try and get his point across, but what Mike said had nothing to do with Brandon's arguments on the stage list. He's saying that Brandon should not react so strongly to a post made by ONE PERSON who even said later that it was just a joke. I personally don't think "because it makes us look bad" is a valid reason to stop you guys from doing a little bit of expirimenting.

Edit: I like getting ninja'd. =3

 

[Kuraudo]

The fact that you insulted me specifically while I didn't as much once call you out, was not cool. My "Alberta is a joke" remark stemmed from this petty fighting that we're doing here and now, as well as the control you and Luke are trying to have over the community with the stage selections that are otherwise stupid to even consider. The ideal of Alberta's Brawl community with how we're behaving is a joke. Not once did I specifically call anyone out or call them idiots, or think they were acting ********. I'd rather keep my personal opinions of others (if they be bad) to myself. And right now what I'm thinking of you is that you're easily offended when someone thinks differently from you.

**** on what I say is harsh, but it served the same purpose in the end. You threw everything that I said out the window upon telling me that just because 64 and Melee stuck to the stage striking (based on simple appearances of stages to remedy issues of characters dominating over others), that it didn't have to be the same in Brawl. When Brawl is a part of the same family of Smash with similar fundamentals, and when nothing was wrong to begin with as you try to change things.

Before, East Coast mocked us for our "lack of skill", something that I was against as we show great promise and have great skill. But now they're legitimately poking fun at us for our ideals of stages. We will agree and disagree on some stages, but in the end, our fighting over the stages has also put us in an even worse position, and has even discouraged attendance from others outside of our province.

The fact that you refuse to budge on anything is where I feel that nothing that I have said matters, and that it was simply shrugged off in favor of your own opinion rather then a compromise. You are also the guy that has said that Pictochat was the fairest stage in Brawl. I dunno what Tyler said to convince you potentially otherwise, but when you have that mentality to actually even believe that in the first place, EVER...

I can understand it's hard to come under fire as you have, but understand that as you have come under fire?

From me, at least. Not once did I insult you the way that you did me. It was the definition of rude and unnecessary, and it turned from a heated debate, to a flame war.

Now that everything's been cleared up, I should hope, I can also hope that we're done here. Nothing that I say matters, it sounds like.

Sorry that when I tried, it wasn't enough and in the end my frustrations lead you to calling me ******** and idiotic.

 

[x After Dawn x]

mike, I gave you a pretty legit rant on msn lol

basically, stages are supposed to match criteria and aren't supposed to be manipulated to change the metagame. if 5/5 neutrals were absolutely godlike for one character, you wouldn't start changing things just to change the metagame if the stages were still fair.

most people by now are against it (people posting in both the alberta beatdown thread as well as this one saying that they don't prefer it), so why not just make it less liberal and then allow people to just agree on more disagreeable stages if they want to when they meet up in bracket? I don't understand what's wrong with doing that, it's called the players' choice clause or something, and you're better off sticking to a more fair, conservative list if two players don't agree then a more disagreeable one.

edit: I dunno if I actually got to mike, but he did say he wanted distant planet out or something

 

[Nelo Vergil]

Sorry Mike, I dont want anything to do with this arguement anymore, Ill give you all the data I receive, but I dont want to be part of all the squabbling. Its just making us look more and more like a joke it seems to other regions

 

[T-block]

I was perfectly fine with the debate up until a few hours ago. Then it kinda got ridiculous, so I'm gonna slow it down too I think.

I'll take back those words then. I'll even agree with you when you say how we're acting is ridiculous. But I don't think you should worry about what EC says... they've never treated us with much respect in any case. I suppose that was nothing to insult you over though, so I'm sorry. I actually haven't been offended by anything anyone has said in this thread btw. In case you haven't noticed, I like arguing and I have fun doing it. Maybe that gave the wrong impression to some of you.

But I think it's time to say something I should have said a long time ago. The purpose of this is to EXPERIMENT. I'm reading and remembering everything you guys post on this thread - I honestly am. But it's all theory at the moment, including my side. I want hard data to back this up, which is why it seems like I'm not budging (I did ban Port Town from doubles, under your suggestion btw) on anything. In reality, what you say does matter though.

 

[Kuraudo]

I...

I'm sorry that it got this far. If someone could do it, I would rather the solution be that the stages be tested at a Smashfest and not a tournament. But if it has to happen at this, then that's fine.

Let the stages be used and go from there.

Sorry again, and apology accepted on the insulting remarks.

 

[Limeee]

yes, our region could use some smashfests.

unless you guys are being sneaky and underground about it, and i know some people are *cough*mybrother*cough*

and! NEW TOPIC

we need ****ing tv's

 

[x After Dawn x]

lol mike

experimentation is what has produced the BR stage recommended list

no need to re-experiment what more people (and better people from all across north america, sorry alberta <3) did a year and a half ago

 

[T-block]

but the game has changed so much... re-experimenting can only be a good idea. and imo it needs to be done in tournament or MM setting, because it's very easy to play without thinking just for fun on the more controversial stages. there's been less experimentation than you'd think, and the few regions that do allow these stages have had no problems with it.

yeah we need TVs <3

 

[Yoshara]

Also the SBR always has people experimenting, hence why there are re-votes.

 

[Limeee]

CHALLENGER APPROACHIN- keith just beat me MK on yoshis island (melee)

oshi

it came down to last stock and 150% mind you

 

[Alphicans]

So much offense from a couple words. I thought we were MEN here.

 

[Kuraudo]

He hurt my feewings and maed me crai.

 

[T-block]

sPARTANS

WHAT
IS YOUR
PROFESSION

 

[brningpyre]

BRAWL!!

Anyway, so much drama~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgW5M08GQ8c

And, I agree with Jamie/Lime's idea to give some of the proceeds to charity for Haiti.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

I don't agree with any money being given away for anything but 1st/2nd/3rd

 

[Nelo Vergil]

I don't agree with any money being given away for anything but 1st/2nd/3rd

Agreed....though Im curious, whats this Haati thing you were refering to Jamie, I dont follow current events

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

earthquake and whatever

 

[Fraser]

meh. Give Dan his money, remember what happened last time there was a "donation" taken out of the pot?.....
(I will not accept an heat from these comments don't even post if ur gonna call me on being a heartless and late troll.)
If u wanna do something do it own your own time, bring a little jar and have donation by choice. There is no reason to take entry fee's cause then its not a donation you're forcing people to give money and that's not cool..

 

[Nelo Vergil]

Leave the donations for charity events

 

[x After Dawn x]

if dan or jack or luke want to donate their money, let them donate it

it's not up to a communist TO to decide that *COUGHMAIKO*

 

[Nelo Vergil]

if dan or jack or luke want to donate their money, let them donate it

it's not up to a communist TO to decide that *COUGHMAIKO*

Oh, when I win I might donate, this time Im not messing around, w/e it takes to win

 

[x After Dawn x]

I like the attitude, adam

and there's nothing wrong with donating money, it just shouldn't be forced unless it's okay with the people who end up getting top 3

and I don't think a donation of $100 would do much anyway =/ though I could be wrong

 

[T-block]

I'd never mess with money in the pot -_-

 

[Nelo Vergil]

I like the attitude, adam

and there's nothing wrong with donating money, it just shouldn't be forced unless it's okay with the people who end up getting top 3

and I don't think a donation of $100 would do much anyway =/ though I could be wrong

Its about time I act cocky again to get into the mood.

Agreed with point 2, and as for point 3....I mean, obviously it doesnt hurt, but its like say...being a vegetarian, its a nice sentiment, but your not gonna change the world, or come close to it, all your doing is depriving yourself of a good source of protein pretty much. Same case here, 100 dollars might buy a 1/200th of someones house back or something, but its really not worth it.

So now that the stage wars are finally over and such, lets get the hype train back on track. Count my Wii in, if Brandon gives me a ride Ill bring my TV to, and Ill TRY to get the recording equipment I need by the date. Incase its needed, I also have all the bracket software and such on my laptop, but whoevers laptop was used last time Im sure can be used again