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Arcthunder is super easy to avoid, Thoron isn't. That's why I used Thoron more. I guess I'll have to train myself to switch to Arcthunder.
Wait, so where is the proof that Thoron was nerfed? If Arcthunder KO'd before Thoron before the patch as well, then that video that was posted doesn't actually prove anything. I'd like to see some more evidence that Thoron's knockback was nerfed.
Arc has always Ko'd before Thoron weirdly enough.@hdltq posted this in the general patch notes thread, claiming that Arcthunder now KOs before Thoron. He offered the following video as an example of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfhBXqa1RAU&feature=youtu.be
I was testing last night. And it does seem nerfed. I had my friend who didn't update yet help me out. We tested on Sonic on omega BF from the starter positions. On the older patch Thoron killed at around 140, in the newer patch it kills around 150...On Sonic at least. So I'm not gonna 100% say its true, but it seems to be. I can test more later.
Yup in training. What we did was, we set the damage % to 100 and kept upping it until thoron killed.
Level 9 CPUs have ungodly reaction times. We can't plausibly expect human opponents to react that perfectly any more than we can expect them to land countering moves on reaction the way computers do.
Play real people. It's a world of difference.
I just tested this using the same set-up and there was no discernible difference in knockback. It would kill at 133% at the lowest on both versions (using the extended Thoron). Interestingly enough, the pre-patch version did not kill consistently, but it would deal an extra 3% damage to Sonic.
Hm. Do stale moves exist in training? Because I'm trying it again and I've only gotten it to KO at 133 once. Otherwise its not ko'ing for me. ??
Already has been checked. (Levin Sword) Same as always. If they changed it they'd also have to change the in-game tooltip, which also still says 8.
Yes. 100%.
...It still kills at ~140-170. The earliest it kills on that stage in default position with WFT in the new patch is 135. So if it's buffed, it's very small.
I can confirm Arcfire is harder to DI out of, I think I tried enough to confirm it, most of my buddies kinda know how to DI and they struggle to exit out of it more than before.
I've had several characters use an aerial on me in between jab2 and fire jab.. It is really painful that fire just is so much more unreliable that it used to be.
Same, I've basically had to switch to using wind jab entirely, which isn't that bad I suppose since its actually pretty good now, but it is easier to punish. I'd just like to have both jabs be useful, otherwise it kinda defeats the purpose of having two unique jabs. They have tweaked Robin's jab in every single balance patch though, so hopefully they'll fix it with the Lucas patch.
Yeah, but that's true for most multi hit jabs, I honestly think its pretty reliable as far as they go, and I don't think any character can DI out of and punish a direct hit. Still, there are characters who can DI out pretty quick and so it would definitely be preferable to use the fire jab if it didn't suck in 1.0.6.
Honestly, I'd be ok with how wind jab is now. A lot of multihit jabs can be DIed out of, and with the changes they made, it's difficult for many characters to DI out of the wind jab AND punish Robin afterwards.
