RMT... again... a help me out... *update* First page updated

[9Kplus1]

I don't like using porygon as a starter. Even though its immune to indimidate, its too slow and doesn't take hits especially well. For your sixth pokemon, try a support poke as your starter. With a bunch of stuff paralyzed, it will be easier for porygon to sweep.

*Read the 3rd page, I haven't updated the 1st one yet

 

[Deleted member]

Weavile can't learn D-D.

Okay, Dusknoir will have a slight change in his moveset, you see, I finally breeded one with a 31 IV in attack/Def/Spdef and Adamant nature... but without Pain Split, so its moveset will now be-

Ice Punch
T-Punch
EQ
Shadow Sneak

ttar can, not weavile. duh

 

[9Kplus1]

ttar can, not weavile. duh

Yeah, but since I already breeded a shiny, Adamant one with 31 attack IVs, I'm not breeding anymore.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Yeah, but since I already breeded a shiny, Adamant one with 31 attack IVs, I'm not breeding anymore.

I don't think you understand. Look:

i use one. it one hit kills weavile. and two kos most good ttars, though i would probably just use cc if it didnt dragon dance a bit

When he said, "I use one" he was referring to Mach Punching Infernape. Yes, it OHKOs Weavile and strikes before it unless Weavile uses Ice Shard, which yours doesn't have. (Not like it will do much damage, anyways) "and two kos most ttars" means it 2HKOs most Tyranitars. "though i would probably use cc if it didn't dragon dance a bit" means he would use Close Combat instead of Mach Punch because

1. Infernape outspeeds Tyranitar before a DD, so Mach Punch isn't needed.
2. Close Combat is stronger than Mach Punch and will result in a OHKO instead of Mach Punch's 2HKO.

It's good you bred a shiny, Adamant, 31 IVed one. You don't have to breed another one just in an attempt to get Dragon Dance.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[9Kplus1]

I don't think you understand. Look:



When he said, "I use one" he was referring to Mach Punching Infernape. Yes, it OHKOs Weavile and strikes before it unless Weavile uses Ice Shard, which yours doesn't have. (Not like it will do much damage, anyways) "and two kos most ttars" means it 2HKOs most Tyranitars. "though i would probably use cc if it didn't dragon dance a bit" means he would use Close Combat instead of Mach Punch because

1. Infernape outspeeds Tyranitar before a DD, so Mach Punch isn't needed.
2. Close Combat is stronger than Mach Punch and will result in a OHKO instead of Mach Punch's 2HKO.

It's good you bred a shiny, Adamant, 31 IVed one. You don't have to breed abother one just in an attempt to get Dragon Dance.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

THAAAAAANK YOU!!!

 

[ss118]

De Ja Vu....?
Oh well, might as well give it another try =)

Okay, the other RMT got too crowded and I'm makin a new 1 now.

Porygon Z *Shiny* @Life Orb
Modest Nature
EVs: 252spattk/252spdef/4spdIf your maxing special Defense instead of speed, you need to use Agility
Ability: Adaptivity

Charge Beam
Ice Beam
Tri Attack
Agility

HP Fighting and Shadow Ball with Tri Attack would have better type coverage, but then you may wanna max Speed with a Timid nature and use Nasty Plot.

Weavile/ Yoruichii @ Choice Band
Jolly Nature
EVs: 252attk/252spd/4Hp

Night Slash
Ice Punch
Aerial Ace
Brick Break

Metagross @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature
EVs: (Read Below) 232attk

Stealth Rock
Reflect
Meteor Mash
Explosion

So, yeah, this seems like a perfect team to try out my experimental Metagross. Your lacking anything as a wall, so this could help, since he usually attacks. You can reach 400 attack with the given EVs: the extra 5 isn't going to make a differnce very often. Instead, use this applet:
http://www.geocities.com/xactcreations/defense.html
Plug in his base stats, put in 276 leftover EVs, and 100% Defense, and that would be the EV spread. I'd do it myself, but **** this computer...

Lopunny/ Rukia @Lefties
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252attk/252spd/4Hp
Ability: Cute Charm

Substitute
Focus Punch
Ice Punch
Return

:/
other than the fact that it's Lopunny, fine

Leafeon/Hinatoru @Salac Berry
Impish Nature
EVs: 252def/124Hp/124spdef/8spd

Substitute
Swords Dance
Wish
Baton Pass

This is fine, but what's the attack going to....?

6th Poke- Need Choice...

Ramparados(SP?) @ Focus Sash
Jolly: Mold Breaker
252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Special Defense
Stone Edge
Fire Fang
Earthquake
Rock Polish

Self Explanatory.

Will add explanations later. Rate away.

how does a RMT get this big O.o
EDIT: wait.... is the new team in another post?!?!

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

THAAAAAANK YOU!!!

Um... Your welcome?

All I did was explain what tshahi posted. He thought you were thinking Weavile could learn Dragon Dance.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[chubb-o-wub]

Small Bump*

EDIT- Added new team-

T-Tar * Shiny @Choice Scarf/Band/
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252attk/80def/168spd/8spdef

EQ
Dragon Claw
Rock Slide
Crunch

My starter, T-tar gets a spdef boost from the sandstorm and can deliver some fatal blows with this moveset. EQ is what all T-Tars need, Dragon Claw is for those pesky Dragonites and Garchomps. If I predict a Heracross using Close Combat, I'll switch to Dusknoir. Because almost ALL Heracrosses will be, Jolly holding a Toxic Orb, Jolly Choice Band or Adamant a Choice Scarf.

Just get rid of Tyranitar. Only it benefits from Sandstream and only it and Metagross are immune to it.

Weavile/ Yoruichii @ Focus Sash
Jolly Nature
EVs: 252attk/252spd/4Hp

Night Slash
Ice Punch
Aerial Ace
Brick Break

Nothing much for Weavile at the moment, she'll outspeed some of those other Weaviles, but will GET outran too, actually, she's really just my Trump Card when things get hot.

This should be your lead, not Tyranny.

Metagross @ Choice Band
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252attk/252spdef/4spd

Bullet Punch
Meteor Mash
EQ
Explosion

CB+ Stabbed Bullet Punch will help Meta out the most, Meta will be switched in and out with T-Tar when I predict a fighting move and T-Tar will get switched in when I predict a Fire move.

Meh. Can also be replaced by something.

Lopunny/ Rukia @Focus Sash
Adamant/Lonely Nature
EVs: 252attk/252spd/4Hp
Ability: Cute Charm

Rain Dance
Focus Punch
Ice Punch
Return/Thunder

No one sees the inner sweeper in Lopunny but me, she'll get switched in ONLY if there's a CS/CSpecs Gengar countering Dusknoir or when Meta and T-tar both go down and I'm left with nothing but a Sandstorm, Lopunny can outspeed some pokes and use Rain Dance to cancel out the sandstorm can halven the Fire Attacks used just making my team more resistant to its weaknesses.

So that's why you have it, seeing as I just read this update of your team. You could use Thunder in that set.

Leafeon/Hinatoru @Salac Berry
Impish Nature
EVs: 252def/124attk/124spd/8spdef

Substitute
Swords Dance
Leaf Blade/ Grasswhistle
Baton Pass

After taking some things in, I gave Leafeon Leaf Blade because its move pool still makes it Steel Rapable either way.

This works.

Dusknoir/Hollow#971 @Lefties
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252attk/124spdef/124def/8spd

Will-o-wisp
Pain Split
Ice Punch
T-Punch

I know almost as much stuff about Duskoir as I do Yanmega, and it's not meant to have all attacking moves.

ILoveCelebi!!208,

Well, here you go.

 

[9Kplus1]

ILoveCelebi!!208,

Well, here you go.

Okay, if I haven't made this statement already, This team has been trained already, K? I should've said, Noir or Leafy are my leads, Pain Split had to go because,

1. I don't have a poke that can breed with it.

2. It has 31 IVs in attack, defense and spdefense.
EQ is there for CS Infenapes, Shadow Sneak is for Sashers and Baton Passers.
Weavile outspeeds enough as Adamant and Weavile as a lead would equal me getting pwnd, it's best to have a Wall-ish poke start out the battle.

Lopunny and special attacks don't mix well, Rain Dance is for when T-Tar and Gross BOTH go down.

 

[Peachtress]

Okay, the other RMT got too crowded and I'm makin a new 1 now.

Porygon Z *Shiny* @Life Orb
Modest Nature
EVs: 252spattk/252spdef/4spd
Ability: Adaptivity

T-Bolt
Ice Beam
Tri Attack
Dark Pulse/ Nasty Plot

Good.

Weavile/ Yoruichii @ Choice Scarf
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252attk/252spd/4Hp

Night Slash/ Pursuit
Ice Punch
Aerial Ace/Pursuit
Brick Break

Good.

Metagross @ Shuca Berry
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252attk/252spdef Def or HP/4spd

Bullet Punch
Meteor Mash
EQ
Explosion

Good.

Lopunny/ Rukia @Lefties
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252attk/252spd/4Hp
Ability: Cute Charm

Substitute
Focus Punch
Ice Punch
Return

Meh.

Leafeon/Hinatoru @Salac Berry
Impish Nature
EVs: 252def/124Hp/124spdef/8spd

Substitute
Swords Dance
Wish/ Leaf Blade
Baton Pass

Ok.

6th Poke- Need Choice...

Will add explanations later. Rate away.

Good. A few things here and there.

 

[9Kplus1]

Thanks, but, page 3 is where I revised my team.

 

[9Kplus1]

Bump* Anyone else?

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Small Bump*

EDIT- Added new team-

T-Tar * Shiny @Choice Scarf/Band/
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252attk/80def/168spd/8spdef

EQ
Dragon Claw
Rock Slide
Crunch

My starter, T-tar gets a spdef boost from the sandstorm and can deliver some fatal blows with this moveset. EQ is what all T-Tars need, Dragon Claw is for those pesky Dragonites and Garchomps. If I predict a Heracross using Close Combat, I'll switch to Dusknoir. Because almost ALL Heracrosses will be, Jolly holding a Toxic Orb, Jolly Choice Band or Adamant a Choice Scarf.

If you're using this for your lead, don't put Focus Sash on Lopunny.

Weavile/ Yoruichii @ Life Orb
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252attk/252spd/4Hp

Night Slash
Ice Punch
Aerial Ace
Brick Break

Nothing much for Weavile at the moment, she'll outspeed some of those other Weaviles, but will GET outran too, actually, she's really just my Trump Card when things get hot.

Same old Weavile...

Metagross @ Choice Band
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252attk/252spdef/4spd

Bullet Punch
Meteor Mash
EQ
Explosion

CB+ Stabbed Bullet Punch will help Meta out the most, Meta will be switched in and out with T-Tar when I predict a fighting move and T-Tar will get switched in when I predict a Fire move.

Same old Metagross... I dunno, I'd put 252 EVs in Speed, as there are times when Bullet Punch isn't good enough. Besides, how can you get off an Explosion if you go last and get KOed the turn you were gonna boom?

Lopunny/ Rukia @Focus Sash
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252attk/252spd/4Hp
Ability: Cute Charm

Rain Dance
Focus Punch
Ice Punch
Return

No one sees the inner sweeper in Lopunny but me, she'll get switched in ONLY if there's a CS/CSpecs Gengar countering Dusknoir or when Meta and T-tar both go down and I'm left with nothing but a Sandstorm, Lopunny can outspeed some pokes and use Rain Dance to cancel out the sandstorm can halven the Fire Attacks used just making my team mpore resistant to its weaknesses.

If you have to use Rain Dance on Lopunny just so you can get off a surprise with Focus Sash, then you should either remove Focus Sash and Rain Dance, or remove Tyranitar. Once people see you using Rain Dance, they'll think something's up.

Leafeon/Hinatoru @Salac Berry
Impish Nature
EVs: 252def/124attk/124spd/8spdef

Substitute
Swords Dance
Leaf Blade/ Grasswhistle
Baton Pass

After taking some things in, I gave Leafeon Leaf Blade because its move pool still makes it Steel Rapable either way.

If you want Leafeon to take more physical hits, max it's HP.

Dusknoir/Hollow#971 @Lefties
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252attk/124spdef/124def/8spd

Shadow Sneak
EQ
Ice Punch
T-Punch

Max Dusknoir's HP before maxing it's defenses. I think Dusknoir is too slow to attack attack attack. It should have Pain Split and Will-o-wisp.

Infernape and Heracross destroy your team except for Dusknoir, who can't fend against them forever.

Remember. Mach Punching Infernape.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[9Kplus1]

Weavile outspeeds both w/o a Choice Scarf and OHKO's with Aerial Ace, Dusknoir/Leafeon are my starters noe. Lopunny is getting a Life Orb or a Silk Scarf, Metagross only Bullet Punches when there's a poke with 1HP left, or any thing that requires a quick hit to be KO'd. Leafeon needs spdef to survive an Ice Beam, attack EVs for when it's too risky to switch and Def IVs because of Ice Shards.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Weavile outspeeds both w/o a Choice Scarf and OHKO's with Aerial Ace, Dusknoir/Leafeon are my starters noe. Lopunny is getting a Life Orb or a Silk Scarf, Metagross only Bullet Punches when there's a poke with 1HP left, or any thing that requires a quick hit to be KO'd. Leafeon needs spdef to survive an Ice Beam, attack EVs for when it's too risky to switch and Def IVs because of Ice Shards.

I was referring to Infernape and Heracross being Choice Scarfed. I knew your Weavile could otherwise destroy them.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[9Kplus1]

K, I'm addin a new poke... Swellow!!!

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Use Facade over Return on Swellow.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[9Kplus1]

Stab + Guts = 200 base Return,
Facade= Over 200, I don't have the TM, sooooo....

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Stab + Guts = 200 base Return,
Facade= Over 200, I don't have the TM, sooooo....

Well, who's fault is that?

Facade's 70 power is doubled when the user is burnt.

140 base power + Guts + STAB = Ow

Try WiFi stuff to get the TM.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[9Kplus1]

I have one now, anymore suggestions?

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

w00t! 100th post on this thread!

How do these Celebi RMTs get so big?

Jump Kick on Lopunny?

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[9Kplus1]

Goes over Focus Punch, more Power than Drain Punch and Sky Uppercut...

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Goes over Focus Punch, more Power than Drain Punch and Sky Uppercut...

Lopunny can learn Sky Uppercut?

Since when did Lopunny become a fighting chick?

Bounce on Lopunny?

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[9Kplus1]

Heracross will be happy when Lopi has Bounce, lol.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Heracross will be happy when Lopi has Bounce, lol.

There are two scenarios:

Scenario 1

Turn 1

Lopunny used Bounce!
Lopunny bounced into the air! (or whatever it does)
Heracross used Close Combat!
Heracross's attack missed!

Turn 2

Heracross switches out.
(whatever) is sent out!
Lopunny used Bounce!
It's not very effective...( or whatever)

Scenario 2

Turn 1

Magikarp switches out.
Heracross is sent out!
Lopunny used Bounce!
Lopunny bounced into the air! (or whatever the text says)

Turn 2

Heracross switches out.
(whatever) is sent out!
Lopunny used Bounce!
It's not very effective,,, (once again, whatever)

Either way, you lose.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[9Kplus1]

Well, there still IS a chance of paralysis I could use, I'd just switch while Heracross is gone...

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Well, there still IS a chance of paralysis I could use, I'd just switch while Heracross is gone...

I still suggest getting rid of Bounce.

Instead, I'd surprise Heracross with Fire Punch.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[shadydentist]

Definitely facade if your going to be having flame orb. And have you thought about toxic orb? That way your attack isn't reduced like it is with burn...

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Definitely facade if your going to be having flame orb. And have you thought about toxic orb? That way your attack isn't reduced like it is with burn...

Burn's Attack reduction is ignored when Guts is applied.

Toxic does more damage than Burn, starting on the third turn.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[9Kplus1]

Here it goes, this is what my team'll look like now-

Leafeon/ Hinata @Salac Berry
Impish Nature
EVs: 252def/100attk/100spdef/52HP

Leaf Blade
Substitute
Baton Pass
Swords Dance
My lead, with this new EV Spread, Leafeon can survive and Baton Pass.

Lopunny/Lopilily @Choice Scarf
Adamant Nature
EVs:252attk/248spd/8def

Bounce
Jump Kick
Return
Ice Punch

My FAVORITE pokemon,CS Lopi outspeeds Jolly CS Heracross and Bounces for avoiding any Close Combats, and the fact that there's a 30% Chance of Paralysis which could do some damage to oncoming resistances.

Swellow/Hirkari @Flame Orb
Adamant Nature
EVs:252attk/252spd/4def

Facade
Brave Bird
Protect
U-Turn

My GUTS sweeper, Protect to scout out the opponent's moves and see whether I should U-Turn.

Metagross @Muscle Band
Adamant Nature
EVs:252attk/120def/136spdef

Meteor Mash
Bullet Punch
EQ
Explosion

My Joker in this deck of cards, lol. Meta can survive quiiiiiiiiiite a bit with its new EV spread and deal damage too.

I'll add more in another post, my Wii won't let me type any further.

 

[9Kplus1]

Double Post, I know, but here's the rest,


Dusknoir/Hollow#971 @Lefties
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252attk/120def/120spdef/12spd
Shadow Sneak
Ice Punch
T-Punch
EQ

This Noir has awsomely high IVs that I lucked out on, so, I'm not breeding Pain Split, K?

Weavile/UberSexyness @-_-Choice... Scarf/Band

Adamant Nature
EVs: 252attk/252spd/4def

Ice Punch
Night Slash
Aerial Ace
Brick Break

-_- Same ol' Weavile, she never changes...

 

[JTB]

At first glance, Scarf Tran takes out half your team without any problem. The only thing that might stand up to it is going to be Dusknoir, but without any HP EVs at all or a + Special Defense nature, it might not even be able to stand up to it.

I'm sure there are more things that hurt your team, but Scarf Tran is a really big threat. It looks like your team is lacking any walls. I suggest taking Leafeon out, and replacing it with Slowbro. Then once someone switches into a counter, switch into Metagross and revenge kill, or predict another switch in and **** it.

 

[9Kplus1]

At first glance, Scarf Tran takes out half your team without any problem. The only thing that might stand up to it is going to be Dusknoir, but without any HP EVs at all or a + Special Defense nature, it might not even be able to stand up to it.

I'm sure there are more things that hurt your team, but Scarf Tran is a really big threat. It looks like your team is lacking any walls. I suggest taking Leafeon out, and replacing it with Slowbro. Then once someone switches into a counter, switch into Metagross and revenge kill, or predict another switch in and **** it.

Here's what's wrong with what you said-

1. CS Heatran DOES NOT work as a lead.

2. I did damage calcs, most ScarfTrans are Timid, MAGMA STORM DOES NOT OHKO LOPUNNY!!EVEN THE MODEST ONES!!

3.CS Heatran runs a speed of 417 with the CS attatched to it, CS Lopunny and Weavile run more than that, Jump Kick, then a BB from Weavile takes Tran out. I only lose 1 poke and Weavile gets a chance to own the other team. ::

I'm gonna do Noir's calcs next.

 

[JTB]

Here's what's wrong with what you said-

1. CS Heatran DOES NOT work as a lead.

2. I did damage calcs, most ScarfTrans are Timid, MAGMA STORM DOES NOT OHKO LOPUNNY!!EVEN THE MODEST ONES!!

3.CS Heatran runs a speed of 417 with the CS attatched to it, CS Lopunny and Weavile run more than that, Jump Kick, then a BB from Weavile takes Tran out. I only lose 1 poke and Weavile gets a chance to own the other team. ::

I'm gonna do Noir's calcs next.

Sorry, my edit didn't save for some reason, so the calculations didn't post. Here they are:

EDIT -

Here's some quick calculations

Heat Plume with 252 Sp Attack EVs:

Against Weavile with 0 Sp Defense EVs - 108.19% - 127.05%
Against Metagross with 136 Sp Defense EVs - 83.39% - 98.01%
Against Swellow with 0 Sp Defense EVs - 87.74% - 103.07%
Against Dusknoir with 120 Sp Defense EVs - 40.69% - 48.05%
Against Leafeon with 100 Sp Defense EVs - 120.66% - 142.07%
Against Lopunny with 0 Sp Defense EVs - 50.55% - 59.78%

Sorry I didn't edit my post in time to take back my mistake about Dusknoir and Lopunny.

 

[9Kplus1]

Thank you, Noir needs 3 Lava Pumes to go down and Lopunny needs 2, Lopunny would be sacrificed so Weavile can BB, that, or Noir can use EQ.

 

[JTB]

Ok, I can't edit at all. So here are some more calculations:

Weavile with a + Nature, 252 Attack EVs, and CB will do 75.54% - 89.16% with BB to Heatran. If this doesn't kill Heatran, Weavile is dead.

Lopunny with a + Nature will do 42.72% - 50.46% with Jump Kick to Heatran.

Dusknoir with a + Nature and 252 Attack EVs will do 119.20% - 139.94% to Heatran.

You get the point. I didn't do Metagross, since if Dusknoir OHKOs Tran with EQ, so will he.

So Dusknoir is the only one that can effectively switch into Tran and take it out.

Please note that my first calculations with Heatran were with a NEUTRAL nature. So a + Nature is going to do more damage than those.

 

[9Kplus1]

Lopunny use Jump Kick and Weavile uses BB afterwards.

 

[JTB]

I think you are missing my point.

Heatran isn't going to be the only Pokemon on a team. There are going to be 5 other Pokes you are going to have to worry about.

Imagine someone uses Dusknoir too. They can easily switch into any of Heatrans counters without a problem. And cause some damage back as well.

Weavile isn't going to be able to even touch Heatran with BB, since Lava Plume OHKOs it. And Lava Plume does more damage than Jump Kick, so Lopunny KOing Tran is out of the question (assuming no crit hax).

You need to think of what other Pokes your opponent is going to have to counter Heatrans counters, not just about countering Heatran.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

I would just like to say, most CSTrans run Overheat.

I agree with JTB. You have to worry about what the opponent will use to counter Heatran's weaknesses.

A Metagross could counter your Weavile, while it looks like a Skarmory could wall Lopunny.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[9Kplus1]

Uuuuhhh,


Dusknoir > Metagross

Shadow Sneak > Dusknoirs

Weavile and Lopunny with a CS outspeed most pokes and while Skarmory's out, I can switch to Leafeon and Baton Pass a lot of Skarms carry Drill Peck too, so that gives Leafeon time to set up, if you can predict that, tell me.