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Ah alright. Thanks for the clarification guys@AizenCaptain5_ @someonetookjacob Yeah, I think Jacob got it right. Kragg rocks display correctly based on which kragg or zetterburn parries it as well
Damn, I didn't think of that. That seemed so obvious. Sorry.
I was counting percents in my head for it to be guaranteed to work. Trust me I call myself Zetterburn on social media and twitch for a reason.Upb angled down spike ->walljump decimate them is way hotter, bro. And Nair dair never works in my experience but I play against people who know how to DI
jk tho spike to spike is cool regardless of guaranteed or no. This game is ****ing amazing
No. Dan just checks your activity. If you get left out then mention him on Twitter or skype or something and see if he made a mistake.
Dan's actually nerfing that in the new June build. Now, players will be able to parry bubbles. A really necessary nerf, IMO. My playstyle doesn't really rely on bubbles at all, but I dunno if that's just me.
After some streaming yesterday it's hard to tell in my current private may build which between forsburn or Kragg is the worst. Keep in mind that his neutralB and other strong attacks exist which are quite easy to land. And his neutral Aerial and back Aerial can be good kill moves as well (nair having a larger hitbox, bair having larger knockback). Fair leads into nairs and dairs very often with Forsburn as well.
One quick thing that some people dont seem to know about FB is that the longer you charge his strongs the more hitstun they have, so with a bit of a charge people cant airdodge and tech out of them. This makes them amazing edge guarding moves or parry punishes. I find they often kill at reasonably low percents.
Made for Windows, not Mac. I think the lowest would be an i5 with a solid-to-good graphics card. I'm running it on an i7 with a pretty bad graphics card but the processor makes up for it and I run pretty laglessly.
Awesome, looks like I'm good to go.
I know it is for Windows, but I'm wondering if anyone has tested Wine or Wineskin Wrappers for it yet. Super Smash Land was also a Windows only game (and I'm assuming on the same engine), and it worked perfect on my Mac.
My problem with Kragg is that he's intended to be one of the "heavy hitter" characters, similar to Melee's Ganondorf. Usually these characters are all really slow and easy to combo, but that is made up for by powerful attacks. With Kragg, most of his attacks do around the same amount of damage as characters like Zetter or Orcane, but he has lots of lag. Sometimes, he can kill early, but the amount of times that he can do so is around the same amount of times that Zetter, Orcane, and Wrastor can as well. His block has lots of potential, but it's really risky to use, as if you can't follow up and break it quickly, you might be in a situation where it's hard to regain usage of the block again for a while. The pillar is good, deadly even if you can get your opponent to land on it above the dropzone and then use up-b yourself, but other than that it's hard to find redeeming qualities in Kragg.
Aside from kraggs new side special mechanic that you'll learn about today, this would make Kragg literally helpless in recovering if he only had one wall jump total. And in teams matches where one teammate hits the other to help them recover, it would be harder to save them that way (thinking way ahead into the future). I actually like having more chances. Zetterburn, Kragg, and Orcane certainly need as any as they can get since their recoveries aren't as good as Wrastors or can't go through the stage like Forsburn.
within a week or two. There will be a changelog posted today by Dan (according to him)
Ah alright. if I get left out It probably was with reason, was fairly inactive for a while.
Bones brought up a good point, but I'd like to ask: This probably won't lead to horribly drawn out edgeguarding scenarios because the best course of action for the edgeguarder is to hit the edgeguardee as far from the stage or as downward as possible, correct? So the edgeguardee probably won't be able to utilize that refreshed walljump often (or repeatedly)?
In the case of Kragg, Zetterburn, and Forsburn, horizontal distance from the stage is the easiest way to gimp. If they're too far away to wall jump then that's the stock. Forsburn may be able to get smoke clouds out and still survive but he's the exception. It take a lot of mental preparation for something like that and if the opponent expects forsburn to know how to use smoke properly to recover, then they can just go out and destroy the smoke clouds as they come.
I mean I certainly agree that it would hurt everyones recovery, but I am not sure if I agree with your statements about kragg. I would say Kragg benefits the least from getting his wall jump back sense his up-b isnt restored in the same way other character's up-b's (or in orcane's case side b) are. Yeah he gets some height, but in order to use his extra wall jump after getting hit he would have to be pretty close to the wall. So I guess it would help him if he got spiked, but if he got spiked on his way back to the stage from his pillar then he should still have his wall jump anyway, right? I would assume though that landing on his platform would give him his wall jump back, just like it gives him his jumps back though, just to be clear on that.
In the new builds will you be able to destroy FB's smoke before it forms? Or did you mean as it solidified? If that was changed then thats quite interesting.
In the march build can't you just throw out one or two clouds and then cancel the neutral special and have them solidify rather quickly?
I think the time to solidification is a set timer for each cloud, and doesnt have anything to do with whether the move is going or not. I was just asking because It sounded to me like he was saying you could destroy the clouds as soon as FB made them, which is not the case in the march build. In the march build you have to wait for them to solidify. I think theoretically the FB player could up-b and time it to appear as soon as the cloud solidifies leaving only a very tiny window to destroy it. Yeah you could go out and stop any stalling, but stopping him from getting his second jump and up b back could be hard. If you did beat him you would then maybe also get hit by his up-b (though I imagine it would probably just hit you back to stage most of the time). But yeah, you are right that the solidification time is pretty short.
No, you won't hear anything if you're not accepted, but a new build might be coming out next week, and you'll hear then if you're accepted.
If by solidify, you mean when the clouds actually hide FB and can be destroyed, then it's not a set timer. You can cast FB's neutral-b to make clouds, but if you press neutral-b again, the clouds that have been cast will solidify automatically. Idk if it's been changed since march though.
Woooo, these patch notes are awesome, cant wait to try out ****** (maybe)
Next week, the June 2015 Playtester build will go out to 20 old playtesters and 20 new playtesters. We have gotten hundreds of applicants over the last couple of months so clearly not everyone will be picked just now. But don't fret, later this summer everyone will have their chance to either try a demo or Early Access on PC.
Patch Notes since March 2015:
Zetterburn:
Kragg:
- Up Strong Fire:
- Reduced from 10 base 1.2 scaling to 7 base 1.2 scaling.
- Down Strong Fire
- Reduced from 10 base 1.2 scaling to 8 base 1.2 scaling
- Forward Strong Fire
- Reduced from 9 base 1.1 scaling to 8 base 1.2 scaling.
- Up Strong Standard
- Reduced from 7 base .9 scaling to 6 base .8 scaling.
- Down Strong Standard
- Reduced from 7 base .8 scaling to 6 base .8 scaling.
- Forward Strong Standard:
- Remains at 8 base .6 scaling.
- Neutral Special:
- Charge time increased from 28 frames to 35 frames.
- Charge released at the end of charging rather than when button is released.
- Forward Special:
- No longer stops Zetterburn at the edge of a platform.
- Down Special:
- Startup Reduced from 26 – 24 Frames.
- Recovery Reduced from 20 – 18 Frames.
- You can air dodge out of the downward motion after 15 frames of movement.
- You can wall jump out of the downward motion when up against a wall.
- Up Special:
- Bounce Time (Hitting the ground with Up B) Reduced from 16 – 10 Frames.
- Prat Fall Land time reduced from 7 – 3 Frames.
- Down Air:
- Hitbox size increased slightly in both X and Y direction.
- Forward Special:
- You can now jump out of Forward Special if you land a hit with it.
- Startup Increased from 20 – 23 Frames.
- Max Roll time reduced from 100 Frames to 90 Frames.
- Recovery Increased from 24 – 32 Frames.
- Neutral Special:
- Kragg can pull rocks from his Pillar again.
Wrastor:
- Down Strong:
- Down Strong can be cancelled during startup or after traveling a set distance downward.
- Down Strong now has a hop on hit that has reduced recovery from hitting the ground (12 frames of aerial recovery on hit vs 20 frames of grounded recovery).
- Down Strong now sends at a 270 degree angle causing a ground bounce or a spike off stage. The spike power increases if you charge the attack.
- Side Special:
- All Wrastors benefit from Current speed even if it is not their current.
- Up Special:
- First wing hitbox scaling increased from .6 to .65.
- Sweet Spot Hitbox scaling increased from 1.0 to 1.2.
Orcane:
- You can now parry bubbles from both Down Special and Forward Air.
- Forward Strong:
- Hitbox Size reduced to match the visual.
Forsburn:
- Down Special (Combust)
- Knockback Scaling increased from .6 to .75.
- Up Special (Teleport)
- Knockback Angle from 70 – 80.
- Knockback Scaling inscreased from .5 to .65.
- Neutral Special
- Forsburn stops spewing smoke when taking a hit.
******:
******, the ****** *******, has been added to the game.
General:
- Wave Land speeds and frictions have been adjusted across characters. Each character should have a different feel when they waveland. Air Dodges are still consistent speeds / distances across characters.
- Hitstun scaling as knocback increases reduced from .8x knockback increase to .7x knockback increase.
- Can act from Respawn Platform time increased from 10 Frames to 30 Frames.
- Respawn time before platform appears increased from 30 frames to 60 frames.
- The Treetop Lodge has been added back into the game.
- The Sylvan Beast on the Treetop Lodge has been added to the Aether version of the stage.
- Merchant Port now has 2 stationary platforms on the basic version of the stage rather than 4 moving platforms.
Menus and UI:
- Gamecube Controller Support has been temporarily removed from the PC builds. Only Xinput (Xbox 360 or Xbox One controllers) will work. We plan to add GC controller support back in a later update.
- User Profiles have been added to the game.
- Custom Controls for Xinput Controllers have been added to the game.
- “Stick Hold” control option removed from the game.
- Debug Custom Colors are disabled. They will no longer be loaded externally in the future but they are currently turned off.
- Old debug options have been removed.
Bug Fixes:
- Forsburn causing team issues fixed.
- Double Puddle through Orcane Uspecial fixed.
- Invincible after Pillar Break Bug Fixed
- Parry and Respawn Invincibilities not working correctly fixed.
- Double Current on Wrastor Fspecial fixed.
- Floating Rock Bug Fixed.
- Wall Jump can be performed when using Tap Jump.
There are probably a few changes over the last couple months that I missed but these are the main take-aways. Look forward to our latest trailer and seeing people check out this build next week.
Thanks,
Dan
Don't go breakin' my heart, Dan...
