Rematch - A hypothetical remake discussion.

[felipe_9595]

Based on != The Same.

he haves the same moveset

 

[The Star King]

Ok, back on topic, how would you feel about Kirby having the ability to start the match with a hat by hoving over the desired character when leaving the selection screen? The hat could be from any character but could not be reobtained when lost unless that character was in the match and swallowed normally.

Kirby with lasers/ fireballs/ utilt + falcon punch OR giant punch OR charge shot combo

Oh god.

 

[th3kuzinator]

you had me at kirby with lazers.

 

[Sempiternity]

Better nerf that U-tilt a little more.

 

[asianaussie]

Absolutely not, Kirby's B-power is something you should earn, not be entitled to.

Kirby with Fox lasers...or even Mario fireballs...or Giant Punch (pretty sure U-Tilt combos into it legitly >_>)

 

[ciaza]

utilt>falcon punch also legit comboes. I reckon a kirby with lasers would be bumped up to S-tier.

 

[ryuu seika]

Well, it should come back once kirby dies because, if it didn't, it would be kind of dumb/worthless.

Read all the arguments against. I knew it would be pretty broken so I decided to limit it it to one life AND lost if Kirby gets well and truly owned, which he's more likely to if his Utilt is nerfed.

Absolutely not, Kirby's B-power is something you should earn, not be entitled to.

Forget the balance arguments, balance can be rectified. This is why it shouldn't happen. You've convinced me.

As a Kirby player, I've always hated that I can't hit Ganon with a frying pan, block Link's sword with Nayru's Love or punch Pikachu off stage. I was baffled by the idea of people acually wanting Shadow Ball, despite it being a useless move, just because Mewtwo can't deal with it.

That one simple sentence however, somehow makes it all seem right and fair.

EDIT: Quick check, was Sonic even ever on a pre-gamecube Nintendo console? I don't think he was.

EDIT 2: And I looked up the *ed stages on my list, Twilight Town and Castle Oblivion are both from Kingdom Hearts and thus automatically disqualified due to the too recent rule and Flying Battery Zone would be a Sonic stage and I think I'm limiting it to 1 stage per character (if not, definitely for guests), meaning that even if Sonic is in, I'd have to ditch Green Hill Zone for it, which would be stupid. Realm of Nothingness is probably out too but I don't know because I can't find it. Forest Temple, however, seems ok.

 

[Shadic]

I hate to say it, but I think we wont see have a remake or new sequel in a long time. Blame the brawl n00bs who hacked the game to the point where u can do almost anything on the game depending the disc size and what the brawl engine allows you to do. Nintendo probably saw it already and I guarantee they were mad because they messed up there "masterpiece". If you wanna game worth hacking why wont they just hack the old versions of Smash like 64 and melee. I mean why **** with Nintendo latest smash game. Hack a prequel of the game, I'm sure Nintendo won't really give a **** if you was hacking a game released 9 years ago.

This may actually be the worst post I've ever seen on SWF. I mean, wow.

A 1080p Smash64 with more characters and more stages would be amazing.

If people are complaining about Smashville being "too recent" of a stage theme, just keep the layout, remove the wedges by the ledge, and make it themed for Harvest Moon instead.

Oh, and you should be able to make player names, and maybe have an option to turn off tap jump.

 

[ryuu seika]

I thought we got over the Smashville issue once it was decided that it was only too recent in Europe and America. Animal Crossing was an N64 game in Japan and as such is atleast as viable as all the Japan only stuff that made it in.

As for player names and tap jump, sure but it's hardly a big deal either way.

 

[Shadic]

As for player names and tap jump, sure but it's hardly a big deal either way.

Wouldn't a remake ideally consist entirely of minor improvements? (Arguably new characters would be a minor improvement. ) Nobody seems to want a game revamp here.

 

[Battlecow]

Shadic makes a good point. The tags and optional "tap jump" (by which you mean...?) couldn't hurt.

 

[Sempiternity]

If by "tap jump", you mean tapping the control stick to jump, turning that off would make this game so much less infuriating.

 

[Shadic]

Shadic makes a good point. The tags and optional "tap jump" (by which you mean...?) couldn't hurt.

If by "tap jump", you mean tapping the control stick to jump, turning that off would make this game so much less infuriating.

This is correct. It would be optional, of course. In the same fashion that Brawl did it.. One of the few things Brawl did right.

 

[dandan]

but then you will lose the ability to make a real full jump, as a full jump with a c button is lower.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

you will have the option to leave tap jump on or turn it off.

 

[ryuu seika]

Wouldn't a remake ideally consist entirely of minor improvements? (Arguably new characters would be a minor improvement. ) Nobody seems to want a game revamp here.

Good point.

but then you will lose the ability to make a real full jump, as a full jump with a c button is lower.

That is an oddity that would likely require fixing for this feature to work. I do believe that losing the annoyance of unintentional jumping would be worth it though.

EDIT: unless someone can give me reason to believe otherwise, I'm going to assume that Sonic's Nintendo affiliation is too recent to warrant his inclusion.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

no objections here ryuu.

however, i'm sure a dedicated hacker could make your hypothetical remake a theroitcal reality.

any plans for that?

 

[ryuu seika]

Deciding what would be wanted is the first step though surely?

Also, noone got back to me on whether or not Dhaos was a good idea. Everyone said no to Cless because he's to unknown but I'm pretty sure you don't have to have played Tales of Phantasia to know Dhaos. I suspect he's still not well known enough though.

 

[Surri-Sama]

I have no idea who either of those people you named are...aside from their obvious origin as stated in your post...

 

[ryuu seika]

Ok, that hardly bodes well for their inclusion.
I guess we should stick to more well known Nintendo affiliated classics.

So far:

Characters:
Bowser
Mewtwo
King Dedede (not sure if he'd work or not)
Pit (maybe but with a different Up B please)
Peach
Meowth (seems crazy but could work)
Megaman
Metaknight (stop whining about him people, they nerfed Kirby in the later games and they could easyly do the same to MK)
Marth

Stages:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Smashville (don't see any reason why not)
Onett
Big Blue
Realm of Nothingness*
Forest Temple
Gravityman's Domain
Yoshi's Story melee (eww.)
Pokemon Stadium 1 (seems fitting)
Fountain of Dreams (a bit bland)

Other Additions:
Ness recovery upgrade
Minor recovery aspect to Yoshi's UpB
Birthday hats for all on original release dates (region variable)
Name tags
Tap jump and Cjump equalised
Tap jumps optional
Ariel tether grabs (may be workable)
Tether grabs only at certain distance
Kirby Utilt nerf

* Please give opinions on these stages. Were they just one person talking rubbish or might they actually work?

 

[Surri-Sama]

Lol i just found it funny because you said it as if EVERYONE knew the 2nd person you named.

 

[ryuu seika]

Oh, right, lol.

Anyway, any more views on the so far suggested list? Anyone actually know what Realm of Nothingness is?

 

[Surri-Sama]

I dont think Yoshi needs a recovery boost...either that or remove his super armor

 

[ryuu seika]

Well as everyone says, it's not competetively viable due to high punishability and I wasn't thinking of adding any more upward recovery than in Brawl (less than Yoshi's height).

 

[Surri-Sama]

Not competitively viable...oh lawd

Yoshi is fine there are people like Sheer to prove other wise... lol, fix ness.

I wonder what Prince would think if he heard Yoshi isnt competitively viable

 

[ryuu seika]

I never said Yoshi wasn't, I said the use of his upB for recovery (assuming it had its Brawl recovery aspect) wasn't. We're not talking about upping his normal recovery as that's fine as is, just making his egg throw work as a rather punishable last ditch effort to grab the ledge.

As a Kirby player I would never suggest that a (non-Pichu) character wasn't viable at a competetive level.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Yeah and all i am saying is i dont feel yoshi needs anything added to his recovery.

He has other aspects that make up for his lacking recovery.

 

[ryuu seika]

And what I'm saying is that, if near stage upB is as punishable as thy say, it's hardly an improvement at all.

 

[Surri-Sama]

then why are you adding pointless things lol..

You have it listed as a minor recovery aspect. He doesn't need ANY as in ZERO, no more lol.

giving him more options = better recovery no matter what way you look at it

 

[ryuu seika]

then why are you adding pointless things lol..

Because it makes sense for his upB to actually work as an upB.
As a fan of Yoshi's Story, I tried hard to play as him in SSB but just coudn't get the hang of recovering with only one jump and no recovery moves, no matter how great that one jump was.

It is of major significance at a begginer level and may make new players more inclined to stick with the character. In my mind, something that attracts begginers with minimal affect on tournament play can only be a good thing. Had this one good feature of Brawl been in place from the beggining, I would likely never have picked up Kirby.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Why does it "make sense" for a unique char to be modeled more like the rest?

Yoshi is meant to be different.

If you want his "UpB" to "make sense" might as well get rid of parrying...because it doesn't make sense that he is the only char that can really do it (aside from the few others who cant really apply it in game)


Yoshi doesn't need any tampering imo, he is a stable character who is underplayed due to difficulty, but is hard to deal with and counter for the same reasons

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

Yeah and all i am saying is i dont feel yoshi needs anything added to his recovery.

He has other aspects that make up for his lacking recovery.

Yeah!! I'm agree with that.

 

[ryuu seika]

Ok, 2 for 2 against. I was hoping we'd be mostly in agreement but oh well.

underplayed due to difficulty

For the record, this was the main reason FOR as I saw it. Making him easier to pick up without making him easier to play at a tournament level would be a good thing in my eyes but if it's not wanted it's not wanted.

 

[Surri-Sama]

i dont think you can make him easier to "pick up" without really killing the aspects that are Yoshi

in the same regards that some people wont play him because he is difficult...some people will play him because he is challenging and it pays off

 

[LLDL]

There really wouldn't be a way to make yoshi easier to pick up. Now, if we did something like...making him able to jump out of shield, I think that could be a souped up yoshi. I still think he'd be just as difficult to play with though. Noobs would have an easier time playing with him against others at a high level though, since he wouldn't be reduced to just rolling back and forth when getting pressured.

 

[Gammelnorsk]

heres how u make yoshi easier

....

make his neutral b 4x harder to mash out of

 

[Surri-Sama]

or never ending, thatd do it..

but seriously i think the only recovery that needs work is Ness...and maybe reduce pikachu a bit

I main pikachu btw so no hate

 

[Gammelnorsk]

if ness had super armor during his second jump that would own

make him alot better

 

[ryuu seika]

There really wouldn't be a way to make yoshi easier to pick up. Now, if we did something like...making him able to jump out of shield, I think that could be a souped up yoshi. I still think he'd be just as difficult to play with though. Noobs would have an easier time playing with him against others at a high level though, since he wouldn't be reduced to just rolling back and forth when getting pressured.

Noobs winning tournaments =/= good. Hence why I was going for something with minimal high level impact. Clearly it was a bad idea (TBH Yoshi doesn't need it in 64, only in Melee and maybe Brawl).

Nerfing Pikachu sounds fun though. Can we outright replace him with Pichu?

Spoiler

J/K, Pichu's too recent.

 

[NixxxoN]

What Yoshi needs IMO is making it easier to move and handle in general, has a weird moveset

and lol making Pikachu more Pichu-esque is actually not a bad idea!