Reasons why Ridley should not be a playable character

[BigRick]

Many ppl requested one, so here it goes! Welcome to the anti-Ridley thread.

Before I explain my stuff, let me tell you guys that you gotta make good decisions in terms of a playable roster in a video game. More is not necessarily better, and knowing where to draw the line is the most important thing of all.

Now, let's talk about Ridley:

Samus' most notable antagonist, even though he never was the main antagonist, from the Metroid series. He looks like a cross between a dragon and a pterodactyl, and he flies, spits fireballs and likes to slash Bounty Hunters with his claws or his tail.

Ridley would make a great addition in Brawl... but he would be much better as a boss than as a character, here's why:

1) Ridley is big: He wasn't that big in the original Metroid (but the original Ridley is totally different anyway), but he got bigger and bigger in each game (he's huge in Metroid Prime now). Ridley's size is too much compared to the rest of the cast. In Smash Bros, he would probably be a little bit smaller than Giga Bowser, which is not good for playability... at least Giga Bowser is the result of a transformation which is temporary, Ridley would always keep that size.

2) Ridley flies all the time: The only game where he doesn't have that characteristic is Metroid (but the character design was totally different anyways) but in the other games of the Metroid series, you can see that Ridley is always in the air (erm... dont want to spoil stuff hehe). Anyways, Ridley was designed as a flying boss, and that is one thing that was supposed to add to the challenge of defeating him... the fact that he's always in the air!

3) So basically Ridley's design is different of a playable character's design. The other flyers that are currently in Brawl do not use Flying as their main means of movement, it's kinda like a secondary ability that they have. Ridley is basically just like a Bird, so flying is how he moves. Having the idea of a pure flying character could add variety to this game, but it would kinda be conflictual with the mechanics, which is to knock your opponent off the stage!

4) So many of you would say something like: ''Well we could make Ridley smaller and make him a walking creature with a gliding ability kinda like Charizard'' Well thats what Ridley becomes ladies and gentlemen... not only he uses his features from the Metroid series (being huge, being able to easily grab sum1 with his claws, being able to fly all the time) but he simply becomes a Charizard clone...

5) So if you are a true Ridley fan, you should stop being selfish and start thinking about the bigger picture... The only way to correctly represent Ridley in Brawl is to make him a Boss character. That way, he'll be able to keep all of his features that makes him awesome. Also, Ridley has no personality... so you don't want to play as him, you just want to shoot him dead, trying to save your skin!!!

Ridley for Brawl!!!

 

[tirkaro]

here. you're going to need this:

 

[SonicMario]

Oh boy... *Goes inside my Ridley flame thowing bunker* (In other words, you're going to SO get flamed)

 

[RyuDragonKing]

*growls* You get a 10 second head start.

 

[Kirby knight]

Here are some common arguments against Ridley's inclusion... broken!

'He's too big.'
Ridley's size is hardly an argument. Smash is meant to bring fan-favorite Nintendo (mostly) characters into playable fighting form. As long as a moveset can be created for them then they are Smash-capable. Ridley size would not interfere with this. Bowser is a good example, as he has been much larger than Ridley ever has been in some games, but in other games (even Smash) he has been downsized to fit whatever role he is given. Ridley's role has always been as a boss. (an important one, at that) It's only natural for him to be large and imposing for this role. Ridley's role in Smash? To fight ofcourse! So he would be easily downsized so he could do so with the rest of the Nintendo all-stars.

'He would look awkward.'
Ridley is large and lanky, yes. But, that is just how Ridley is. It's part of his character. He could still be made to fight in the world of Smash quite easily. Donkey Kong has a huge head and long, large arms, but small legs in comparison. Kirby and Jigglypuff have tiny, stubby arms and huge feet tacked on their round bodies. Yet, all of these examples have proven Smash-worthy, have they not? He may look a little different from your average human-shaped fighter, but give him a chance.

'His design would be too hard to implement.'
Long head with huge powerful jaws. Great, mighty wings. Long, claw-tipped arms. Long, flexible pointed-tip tail. All part of the Ridley design. How could they implement all these great, fighting features you say? In Melee, that might have been very difficult. This is Brawl, however, and the recently confirmed Charizard throws this argument away. Charizard also follows the draconic design, so if they could make him work, then so too could they make Ridley.

'He would be an Assist Trophy.'
Ridley? An Assist Trophy? Let's look into what has been confirmed Assist Trophy material.

Hammer Bro. - A generic enemy of the Mario franchise.
Nintendog - Something to represent a very successful franchise that otherwise, could not have been represented in Smash. (Think of what critics would say about Smash if you were able to kick around a cute little puppy!)
Samurai Goroh - A rival of Captain Falcon. He was one of the first four F-Zero characters. Seems important enough to be playable, doesn't he? Not really... F-Zero hasn't really come along as a franchise as much as Metroid has recently. Main villains, like Black Shadow and Deathborn would be more likely if F-Zero were to get another representative. That is what Ridley is, a main villain.
Dr. Wright - Like the Nintendog, he is here to represent a series that was popular, but otherwise did not have enough going for him to make him playable.
Knuckle Joe - An enemy and helper character of the Kirby series. He's not important to the series, but is highly popular. Kirby is likely to be better represented this time around, with Meta-Knight and King Dedede joing him for Brawl. Knuckle Joe was likely just included as an Assist Trophy for his popularity.
Devil - A character from an old, popular game. He was included for the nostalgic effect, it would seem.
Andross (Old) - a floating head he may be very important and a last boss but in the end all he is is a floating head... nuff said.

Now, Ridley is not a generic enemy like a Hammer Bro or Knuckle Joe. He is an important part of the Metroid series; He gave Samus her motives for becoming who she is, basically. He's a highly important villain in a very popular series in need of representation, unlike Goroh. Unlike the Nintendog and Dr. Wright, he is capable of fighting, and his respective game(s) is not old. The Devil is there to represent an old popular game series, something Metroid is not.

So, from what can be gathered, Ridley is not Assist Trophy material.

'He would be a boss.'
Ofcourse he should be. That is what he always has been. Does this mean he should be unplayable? No way! Bowser and Ganondorf have also been bosses, but they are playable in Melee. (Ridley is often considered the 'Bowser and Ganondorf' for Metroid) The recently confirmed boss, Petey Piranha, is not important to the Mario series. He's popular yes, but not important. Meta-Ridley, the huge cybernetic Dragon of Metroid Prime would make a great boss, in fact. He could stay his huge size. And attack in the same method. Dropping bombs for players to catch and throw back at him. Once grounded, he would use his dash attack to try and knock away players. That is when you dodge, and attack him during Meta-Ridley's lag. If you don't cause enough damage, look out for his plasma beam! It could be quite intense! 'Classic' Ridley however, could also be an earlier 'boss' that you must fight and defeat. He would be like a normal playable character, though. (Although probably made heavier to make him more difficult) Only later will he return as the monstrous Meta-Ridley boss. You may notice 'Boss Fight' in the title of Ridley's theme. This is only the name of the song used in the games, the 'Boss Fight' there to show Ridley's boss status in his games.

'He isn't popular, and non-important to the franchise.'
Nothing is further from the truth! Ridley is shown to have a long history with Samus herself. Him being the one who led the space pirates on the invasion of her home, destroying it, and her parents, in the process. He has always appeared as a boss in most of the Metroid games. (All but two, Metroid II and Metroid Prime: Echoes) He is also very popular. In Sakura's poll, from what he allowed us to see, Ridley was mentioned four times; The same amount as Diddy Kong and Ike, both of which are confirmed playable. These polls were japan-only, a place where Metroid is not very popular, yet Ridley is still very well-known there, and he is wanted.

You lose TC.

-Knight

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'm going to assume your just trying to start up stuff like I read in that other thread...

But in Ridley's defense anyway...

1) Ridley is big: Bowser is more 8-10' tall, which he isn't in Smash, Kirby is 8' tall...If olimer is in...He is only 1'

2) Ridley flies all the time: No he doesn't, he can walk...He chooses to fly while fighting in games to make him more challenging...Of course he can walk

and NO other metroid rep deserves a PC as much as Ridley...He IS the main villain of the series...

 

[Lupo Aro]

This joke topic is way better than [lame character suggestion] joke topics.

It's clearly a joke topic if he used ineffective arguments!

 

[Cenedar]

Well done Kirby knight, you make us Ridley fans proud.

Big Rick, obviously Kirby Knight has just said what I was going to, but a little tip. Got a gripe about a character? Post it in the already established thread for it. These anti-threads are pretty much flamebait at this point. I'll give you points for wording yourself well and not sounding like an ignorant child, but a simple read through the Ridley thread would've allowed you to see the flaw in your arguments. Have a nice day

Ridley for Brawl

Edit: Is this a joke topic? ****, pretty convincing if it was lol

 

[Gypsy Lee]

Let the ****** commence.

 

[Jackal478]

You're right...Ridley's cool, but. So is....Andross? Petey P.?

He's a boss. I'm positive

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

You're right...Ridley's cool, but. So is....Andross? Petey P.?

He's a boss. I'm positive

Andross and Petey...cool???

...right...

Andross is nothing more than a stupid floating head...

..Petey is just a mutant pirahna plant...

Comparing Petey to Andross and Ridley though is insulting to them both

 

[JesterBox]

If your a troll who wants to be flamed go to the Ridley thread, the coals are always hot.

 

[BigRick]

Well done Kirby knight, you make us Ridley fans proud.

Big Rick, obviously Kirby Knight has just said what I was going to, but a little tip. Got a gripe about a character? Post it in the already established thread for it. These anti-threads are pretty much flamebait at this point. I'll give you points for wording yourself well and not sounding like an ignorant child, but a simple read through the Ridley thread would've allowed you to see the flaw in your arguments. Have a nice day

Ridley for Brawl

Huh actually that quote that Kirby Knight posted did not respond to my point number 4... all the other points are not very important because they back up that one.

So I will admit my defeat like a grown man if you can convince me that I'm totally wrong on point number 4... go ahead!

EDIT: And lol Ridley is not to be compared with Bowser and Ganondorf, I'll tell why in a later post!

 

[Gypsy Lee]

*foghorn*

Gather rabid, flesh hungry Ridley fanboys.

BigRick, you have 5 minutes to relinquish this thread to the Ridley fanboys, or you will burn in a never ending flame.

May I remind you what happened to the last Anti Ridley thread?

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=112371

 

[Conker1]

Many ppl requested one, so here it goes! Welcome to the anti-Ridley thread.

Before I explain my stuff, let me tell you guys that you gotta make good decisions in terms of a playable roster in a video game. More is not necessarily better, and knowing where to draw the line is the most important thing of all.

Now, let's talk about Ridley:

Samus' most notable antagonist, even though he never was the main antagonist, from the Metroid series. He looks like a cross between a dragon and a pterodactyl, and he flies, spits fireballs and likes to slash Bounty Hunters with his claws or his tail.

Ridley would make a great addition in Brawl... but he would be much better as a boss than as a character, here's why:

1) Ridley is big: He wasn't that big in the original Metroid (but the original Ridley is totally different anyway), but he got bigger and bigger in each game (he's huge in Metroid Prime now). Ridley's size is too much compared to the rest of the cast. In Smash Bros, he would probably be a little bit smaller than Giga Bowser, which is not good for playability... at least Giga Bowser is the result of a transformation which is temporary, Ridley would always keep that size.

2) Ridley flies all the time: The only game where he doesn't have that characteristic is Metroid (but the character design was totally different anyways) but in the other games of the Metroid series, you can see that Ridley is always in the air (erm... dont want to spoil stuff hehe). Anyways, Ridley was designed as a flying boss, and that is one thing that was supposed to add to the challenge of defeating him... the fact that he's always in the air!

3) So basically Ridley's design is different of a playable character's design. The other flyers that are currently in Brawl do not use Flying as their main means of movement, it's kinda like a secondary ability that they have. Ridley is basically just like a Bird, so flying is how he moves. Having the idea of a pure flying character could add variety to this game, but it would kinda be conflictual with the mechanics, which is to knock your opponent off the stage!

4) So many of you would say something like: ''Well we could make Ridley smaller and make him a walking creature with a gliding ability kinda like Charizard'' Well thats what Ridley becomes ladies and gentlemen... not only he uses his features from the Metroid series (being huge, being able to easily grab sum1 with his claws, being able to fly all the time) but he simply becomes a Charizard clone...

5) So if you are a true Ridley fan, you should stop being selfish and start thinking about the bigger picture... The only way to correctly represent Ridley in Brawl is to make him a Boss character. That way, he'll be able to keep all of his features that makes him awesome. Also, Ridley has no personality... so you don't want to play as him, you just want to shoot him dead, trying to save your skin!!!

 

[Oasis_S]

There's a Ridley thread you know? You'll get the same reaction there as you're going to get here.

1) If you really want people to take you seriously, do NOT say "X is too big". It's a ridiculous argument.

2) Maybe you didn't see those legs Ridley has. You know, those things you walk with. Ridley can obviously land on the ground, so he probably uses those legs to... walk...

3) Basically a run-off of the last 'issue'. Mewtwo primarily gets around by levitating. He only walked once in his second movie, IIRC. You'll notice that Mewtwo also never walks in Melee. At his slowest walking speed, he merely slides across the ground. I guess they could make Ridley do this as well if they wanted, but they could also make him actually walk.

4) A lot of character's size changed. ...Did you just say Ridley wouldn't be able to grab? If they can have Pikachu or Kirby grab with their tiny little nubby arms, I don't see why Ridley wouldn't be able too grab as well. He'll be able to fly just like Pit, Meta Knight, and, assumingly, Charizard. Then you say he'll just be a Charizard clone? Alright man, you keep thinking that.

5) Rather, anyone who does not think Ridley could be playable should sit quietly and think to themself, hopefully thinking about how flawed their logic is.

 

[Stryks]

1) Ridley is big: He wasn't that big in the original Metroid (but the original Ridley is totally different anyway), but he got bigger and bigger in each game (he's huge in Metroid Prime now). Ridley's size is too much compared to the rest of the cast. In Smash Bros, he would probably be a little bit smaller than Giga Bowser, which is not good for playability... at least Giga Bowser is the result of a transformation which is temporary, Ridley would always keep that size.

2) Ridley flies all the time: The only game where he doesn't have that characteristic is Metroid (but the character design was totally different anyways) but in the other games of the Metroid series, you can see that Ridley is always in the air (erm... dont want to spoil stuff hehe). Anyways, Ridley was designed as a flying boss, and that is one thing that was supposed to add to the challenge of defeating him... the fact that he's always in the air!

3) So basically Ridley's design is different of a playable character's design. The other flyers that are currently in Brawl do not use Flying as their main means of movement, it's kinda like a secondary ability that they have. Ridley is basically just like a Bird, so flying is how he moves. Having the idea of a pure flying character could add variety to this game, but it would kinda be conflictual with the mechanics, which is to knock your opponent off the stage!

4) So many of you would say something like: ''Well we could make Ridley smaller and make him a walking creature with a gliding ability kinda like Charizard'' Well thats what Ridley becomes ladies and gentlemen... not only he uses his features from the Metroid series (being huge, being able to easily grab sum1 with his claws, being able to fly all the time) but he simply becomes a Charizard clone...

5) So if you are a true Ridley fan, you should stop being selfish and start thinking about the bigger picture... The only way to correctly represent Ridley in Brawl is to make him a Boss character. That way, he'll be able to keep all of his features that makes him awesome. Also, Ridley has no personality... so you don't want to play as him, you just want to shoot him dead, trying to save your skin!!!

Ridley for Brawl!!!

1) Tell that to bowser from SM64, and SMS, oh and New SMB... on all of these games bowser is like triple if not bigger size of mario, and would you look at that, HES PLAYABLE, and is just a tad bigger than mario...

Ridley has had MULTIPLE sizes, check MP1, MZM, SSBM intro (perfect size for brawl) and Omega ridley in MP3, where his size is just a tad bigger than samus, but with huge wings, if we use the SSBM intro size then size is NOT an issue for ridley...

besides isnt kirby only a few inches tall? check his size in SSB...

2) MP1, MP3 say other wise, so? peach never fights, and shes in melee, zelda never fights hand to hand yet shes in smash, how about luigi aint he supposed to be a scary cat? ta-da in smash, how about falcon and fox? THEY NEVER FOUGHT OUTSIDE THEIR COCKPITS AND YET THEYRE IN SMASH, FOX WAS ALWAYS IN HIS ARWING BEOFRE MELEES RELEASE AND HES IN SMASH U HAVE FAILED...

3) So? he can stay in the ground and swipe with his claws and tail, plasma beam, ramming attacks, bites, and gust attacks, whats the big deal? like I said fox was always in the air on his arwing, hey look hes on the top tier list, U FAIL

4) CHARIZARD CLONE?! U HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IMAGINATION!! Ok ridley fires a straight plama beam, not flamethrower, PLASMA BEAM, he does NOT use rock smash, and ridley has other abilities such as grenade shower from mp1, the ramming attack, his trademark grab and so on...

saying ridley = charizard lone is like saying pit and metaknight will be clones cause they have wings and weapons, samus and megaman would be clones cause of the arm canon and sonic wil lbe a combination of jiggly and falcon, for his speed and rolling attack...

5) Yeah selfish, yeah last time I check being playable for EVERYONE to enjoy is not being selfish ******, the only real way to represent him is being a boss?? WTF? Bowser and ganondorf say otherwise, bowser kept all of his features that mad ehim awesome and is in melee-brawl, and WTF ur saying like if hes playable they have to make his moveset from scratch which is utterly ********, no personality? yeah falcon, GaW, ICs, roy, doc mario were FILLED with personality in there older games, hes the leader of the space pirates, who want to enslave the galaxy using phazon and metroids as weapons, hes a merciless leader, and is samuss arch nemesis, also he killed samuss parents...

yeah no personality...

 

[ParamoreRiot]

1) Ridley is big: He wasn't that big in the original Metroid (but the original Ridley is totally different anyway), but he got bigger and bigger in each game (he's huge in Metroid Prime now). Ridley's size is too much compared to the rest of the cast. In Smash Bros, he would probably be a little bit smaller than Giga Bowser, which is not good for playability... at least Giga Bowser is the result of a transformation which is temporary, Ridley would always keep that size.

2) Ridley flies all the time: The only game where he doesn't have that characteristic is Metroid (but the character design was totally different anyways) but in the other games of the Metroid series, you can see that Ridley is always in the air (erm... dont want to spoil stuff hehe). Anyways, Ridley was designed as a flying boss, and that is one thing that was supposed to add to the challenge of defeating him... the fact that he's always in the air!

3) So basically Ridley's design is different of a playable character's design. The other flyers that are currently in Brawl do not use Flying as their main means of movement, it's kinda like a secondary ability that they have. Ridley is basically just like a Bird, so flying is how he moves. Having the idea of a pure flying character could add variety to this game, but it would kinda be conflictual with the mechanics, which is to knock your opponent off the stage!

4) So many of you would say something like: ''Well we could make Ridley smaller and make him a walking creature with a gliding ability kinda like Charizard'' Well thats what Ridley becomes ladies and gentlemen... not only he uses his features from the Metroid series (being huge, being able to easily grab sum1 with his claws, being able to fly all the time) but he simply becomes a Charizard clone...

5) So if you are a true Ridley fan, you should stop being selfish and start thinking about the bigger picture... The only way to correctly represent Ridley in Brawl is to make him a Boss character. That way, he'll be able to keep all of his features that makes him awesome. Also, Ridley has no personality... so you don't want to play as him, you just want to shoot him dead, trying to save your skin!!!

1.)

Ohh yes that is much bigger han Giga Bowser.

2.) Uhhhh maybe it was just me or did Mewtwo float in Melee? And plus ridley has feet. Feet= Ability to Walk

3.) Read 2.

4.) Haha Charizard clone. I never knew Charizard has missiles and plasma breath.

5.) I would shoot myself before I truely killed Ridley. I am a true ridley fan.

PS: Go to the Ridley thread and you will have your questioned answered.

 

[Kor]

I only pulled out these two things from your ilst, because they were the only stand alone points. points 3, 4 & 5 were all just an extension of 1 and 2.

1) Ridley is big:

So was Bowser.

Mario:Bowser size ratio

SMB 1:1
SB3 1:3
SMW 1:5
SM64 1:12
SMS 1:50

Ridely is no different. Of course, I'm sure someone has posted the clip from Ridley in Melee for size comparison, so really, yeah, Size is a bit of a moot point. Can he be downsized? yes. Does that mean he can't be a large character? No.

2) Ridley flies all the time:

Since when? I distinctly recall fighting a ground based Ridley in Metroid Prime 1 and 3.

 

[Stryks]

Proving 4 is wrong:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=umGbhiTg-JM - MP1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oz5doFm0EO8- Omega ridley from MP3 (ZOMG HE IS WALKIN!!111!11one)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7Po3vQofVRE - MZM

all of these abilities, attack and everything and u THINK he would be a charizard clone? yeah im sure ridley can be switched to a blue turtle space pirate and a plant dinosaur thing metroid >.>

 

[Aryman]

Oh boy another one of these. You know, there have been Anti-Ridley threads before. And they got horribly *****. Use the search function. This thread fails ALREADY and I haven't even gotten to your "points". But I'll humor you.

1) Ridley is big: He wasn't that big in the original Metroid (but the original Ridley is totally different anyway), but he got bigger and bigger in each game (he's huge in Metroid Prime now). Ridley's size is too much compared to the rest of the cast. In Smash Bros, he would probably be a little bit smaller than Giga Bowser, which is not good for playability... at least Giga Bowser is the result of a transformation which is temporary, Ridley would always keep that size.

Ridley's size is inconsequential. It can be adjusted, just like Bowser, Kirby, Pikachu's sizes have been altered to fit the game better. Pikachu SHOULD NOT be half the size of Peach. If we were doing actual sizes he reach up to her shin. Maybe. Same with Kirby.
I present to you a couple of pictures in reference to Bowser:

Oh and in case you argue that these are old and irrelevant, I present to you a few more Bowser appearances:

In Mario 64:

In Mario Strikers:

In Mario Sunshine:

Still think Ridley is too big? Didn't think so. Moving on.

2) Ridley flies all the time: The only game where he doesn't have that characteristic is Metroid (but the character design was totally different anyways) but in the other games of the Metroid series, you can see that Ridley is always in the air (erm... dont want to spoil stuff hehe). Anyways, Ridley was designed as a flying boss, and that is one thing that was supposed to add to the challenge of defeating him... the fact that he's always in the air!

Yes Ridley flies. Yes he's usually a boss. Didn't stop Metaknight did it?
And you don't think flying could be implemented into how he moves? Sakurai has stated that he wants to focus more on areal combat. He's also stated that he wants more villains and more Metroid reps. Ridley fits all three.
Bet you wouldn't have guessed that a pokemon trainer could be made into a working character either. And yet there he is. Sakurai knows how to be creative.

3) So basically Ridley's design is different of a playable character's design. The other flyers that are currently in Brawl do not use Flying as their main means of movement, it's kinda like a secondary ability that they have. Ridley is basically just like a Bird, so flying is how he moves. Having the idea of a pure flying character could add variety to this game, but it would kinda be conflictual with the mechanics, which is to knock your opponent off the stage!

Ridley doesn't just fly to get around. He's actually very quick on the ground, as can be seen in his Prime appearances. He wouldn't necessarily use flying to get around.

Oh and Jigglypuff says hi.

4) So many of you would say something like: ''Well we could make Ridley smaller and make him a walking creature with a gliding ability kinda like Charizard'' Well thats what Ridley becomes ladies and gentlemen... not only he uses his features from the Metroid series (being huge, being able to easily grab sum1 with his claws, being able to fly all the time) but he simply becomes a Charizard clone...

Please. By your logic we shouldn't have Luigi. I mean, he's just another Italian plumber! We already got one of those! zomg lets make an Anti-Luigi thread! yay! Oh and Ike, I mean he's a swordsman! Link's already got that covered! Someone should let Sakurai know!

This argument fails very hard.

5) So if you are a true Ridley fan, you should stop being selfish and start thinking about the bigger picture... The only way to correctly represent Ridley in Brawl is to make him a Boss character. That way, he'll be able to keep all of his features that makes him awesome. Also, Ridley has no personality... so you don't want to play as him, you just want to shoot him dead, trying to save your skin!!!

Ridley doesn't have personality? Have you ever played a Metroid game? Ridley is Samus' arch enemy (Sakurai even said so himself!) He killed Samus' parents and is one of the biggest reasons Samus became a bounty hunter. He's vicious, bloodthirsty and intelligent. So no, he's not just another boss. Ridley is, summed up, a beast. And deserves a playable spot in brawl more than anyone else in the Metroid universe besides Samus herself.

Ridley for Brawl!!!

Well said.

 

[Shuma]

Thank god everyone made the long posts...

Also acording to the Manga Ridley can walk and talk, so yeah, you fail.

 

[BigRick]

This thread proves one thing... you cannot discuss with fanboys.

Don't get emotional people. Adding images to your posts do not make them cooler btw...

no personality? yeah falcon, GaW, ICs, roy, doc mario were FILLED with personality in there older games,

lol that's a good one... Falcon had his own manga and Sakurai is talking about cutting off the other chars you mentioned. And lol at Roy having no personality... he comes from a strategy-RPG

To the ppl saying that Ridley is not a Charizard clone: Well you gotta realize that in Smash Bros, characters' abilities are never fully represented... we only get a sample of what they can do in their respective games.

So yea, a walking Ridley is basically the same thing as a Charizard... and Megaman would be like another Samus (hmm I think we need an anti-Megaman thread hehehe)

And Bowser ''the character'' is not big... Bowser ''the Boss'' is big. Bowser doesn't only appears in platform games, and in all these other random games Bowser is just a lil bit bigger than Mario. And yet you still compare Ridley to him.

EDIT: Anyways the point is not that Ridley is too big cause I've already stated later in my first post that he can be scaled down.

 

[O D I N]

Posting and subscribing for future smiting.

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[Aryman]

You're obviously starting anti-threads just because you get off on it. Did you even read any of the counter arguments? All your points have proven wrong, don't just state them again.

What does it matter if Bowser is a boss or a character?? If he can be shrunk down to be playable, why cant the same be done for Ridley?

 

[Shuma]

Tell me this is a joke thread... otherwise you're brain dead... Ridley doesn't throw rocks at enemyes doesn't have a flamethrower attack, he has long legs and arms, has a plasma beam, fireballs, attacks with his tail using it like a spear.

And Ridley was in a Manga, with loads of personality, you also forget that he is the main villain of the metroid Series.

 

[ParamoreRiot]

This thread proves one thing... you cannot discuss with fanboys.

Don't get emotional people. Adding images to your posts do not make them cooler btw...



lol that's a good one... Falcon had his own manga and Sakurai is talking about cutting off the other chars you mentioned. And lol at Roy having no personality... he comes from a strategy-RPG

To the ppl saying that Ridley is not a Charizard clone: Well you gotta realize that in Smash Bros, characters' abilities are never fully represented... we only get a sample of what they can do in their respective games.

So yea, a walking Ridley is basically the same thing as a Charizard... and Megaman would be like another Samus (hmm I think we need an anti-Megaman thread hehehe)

And Bowser ''the character'' is not big... Bowser ''the Boss'' is big. Bowser doesn't only appears in platform games, and in all these other random games Bowser is just a lil bit bigger than Mario. And yet you still compare Ridley to him.

-Images are too show our point.

- Since when did Charizard have F*****G missiles!

-You just proved yourself wrong when talking about Bowser. They DID change Bowser's size so obviously they can resize Ridley.

YOU HAVE JUST BEEN VIRTUALLY *****!

 

[Bassoonist]

Why didn't you post this in the Ridley topic?

The last anti Ridley topic got locked. I can't see this going any other way, especially since the points against him are invalid.

 

[Caael]

You sir thread creator, are just about to get buggered up the arse by Ridley fans. Some already have. I threatened you against making this. Idiot, there's not denying Ridley's gonna be in. He's 2nd on the poll, with Diddy and Ike, and they're in. And you can see with Zero Suit Samus that they're going with the Zero Mission theme, and Ridley was in there, and he was on the ground a lot of the time.

 

[BigRick]

EDIT: Anyways the point is not that Ridley is too big cause I've already stated later in my first post that he can be scaled down.

Please calm down and read ppl. Gotta eat for now!

 

[Gypsy Lee]

Now, let's talk about Ridley:

Samus' most notable antagonist, even though he never was the main antagonist, from the Metroid series. He looks like a cross between a dragon and a pterodactyl, and he flies, spits fireballs and likes to slash Bounty Hunters with his claws or his tail.

Actually, he was more of a main catalyst. Without Ridley, nothing in the entire Metroid series could have happened. He is an essential character to the franchise, one that doesn't have that many to begin with. He's also Samus' arch rival. Similar to how Wolf and Samurai Goroh are to Fox and Falcon respectively. Just because he's a villain does not mean he has to be the main antagonist to be of any importance.

Ridley would make a great addition in Brawl... but he would be much better as a boss than as a character, here's why:

Well, you're not to first to say this, and you won't be the first to prove this either. Besides, why couldn't he be a boss and a character? Or do you lack the brain capacity to have even pondered such a thought?

1) Ridley is big: He wasn't that big in the original Metroid (but the original Ridley is totally different anyway), but he got bigger and bigger in each game (he's huge in Metroid Prime now). Ridley's size is too much compared to the rest of the cast. In Smash Bros, he would probably be a little bit smaller than Giga Bowser, which is not good for playability... at least Giga Bowser is the result of a transformation which is temporary, Ridley would always keep that size.

Oh noez!!! Hesa too big fur teh brawl gam!!1oneeleven!!!!11!!

Looks like Bowser is too big, too. Oh wait!-

And tell me, what games have you played besides Prime, the only game he is enormous in? That's what I thought.

2) Ridley flies all the time: The only game where he doesn't have that characteristic is Metroid (but the character design was totally different anyways) but in the other games of the Metroid series, you can see that Ridley is always in the air (erm... dont want to spoil stuff hehe). Anyways, Ridley was designed as a flying boss, and that is one thing that was supposed to add to the challenge of defeating him... the fact that he's always in the air!

*gasp* What is this he's doing??????? Is that running I'm seeing??????? Who would have thought that a character with legs would have been able to walk??????? Apparently not BigRick.

3) So basically Ridley's design is different of a playable character's design. The other flyers that are currently in Brawl do not use Flying as their main means of movement, it's kinda like a secondary ability that they have. Ridley is basically just like a Bird, so flying is how he moves. Having the idea of a pure flying character could add variety to this game, but it would kinda be conflictual with the mechanics, which is to knock your opponent off the stage!

Then Sonic shouldn't be in because his main means of movement is running at super sonic speeds. OMG, sonickz 2 fast 4 brawl!! Dconphirmed! And Stafy can't be in because he swims. And Ivysaur can't be in because he is four legged. Oh wait!-

4) So many of you would say something like: ''Well we could make Ridley smaller and make him a walking creature with a gliding ability kinda like Charizard'' Well thats what Ridley becomes ladies and gentlemen... not only he uses his features from the Metroid series (being huge, being able to easily grab sum1 with his claws, being able to fly all the time) but he simply becomes a Charizard clone...

Honestly, are you ********? A Charizard clone jus cuz hesa dragun!!?? Then Luigi shouldn't be in Brawl, and neither should Jigglypuff, and neither should Marth, and neither should Zelda, because they would be clones of Mario, Kirby, Link, and Peach. Oh wait!-

You're forgetting that Ridley has super speed (Metroid Prime 1), invisibility (Super Metroid), plasma breat/fire breath (all games), a harpooned tail, a scrawnier and more humanoid build, and so on. Ridley is all around more unique and deserving than Charizard is, so if Charizard is in, then Ridley's chances may have actually improved a little.

5) So if you are a true Ridley fan, you should stop being selfish and start thinking about the bigger picture... The only way to correctly represent Ridley in Brawl is to make him a Boss character. That way, he'll be able to keep all of his features that makes him awesome. Also, Ridley has no personality... so you don't want to play as him, you just want to shoot him dead, trying to save your skin!!!

No, a true Ridley fan wouldn't make an anti-Ridley thread now would he? No personality? Absolute, utter, undeniable failure.

Ridley for Brawl!!!!!

You aren't even worthy enough to say the word Ridley. Go find a nice porch to crawl under and die in you ignorant piece of stupid a** inbred scum. *spits*

 

[Shuma]

Splendid post Gypsy.

But... uh..... Ridley IS the main antagonist.

 

[Aryman]

O.o Gypsy. That was harsh. But necessary. lol you used some of the exact same points I did.

Let the ****** continue. And I can't wait for when ODIN shows up. That will be hard to watch.

 

[Shuma]

THis thread is now about Norse Mythology.

 

[Caael]

1) As other people have said, so is Bowser. No comment on this, it's been covered well.

2) Prime? Y'know, when his wings burn out and he fights on the ground? Charizard is also a dragon, so he's got to fly all the time too I guess

3) Charizard is a dragon, is he not?

4) Get to a hospital quick. Charizard is a pokemon. Ridley is a pirate space dragon ninja. There's a difference. I'm sorry, but I take it that you have never played either games. Ridley would be the total opposite of Charizard if he wasn't a dragon. Ridley has never thrown rocks at people. Charizard has never dropped bombs on people while flying past. Idiot.

5) Selfish? What the FUKC? How is it selfish? ' C'mon children, move Ridley out the way for Dark Samus?' Get the FUKC out. Ridley is a boss, he always has been. Bowser is also a boss, look what happened to him in melee. What makes you think Ridley cant be both?

You complete ******.

Get out, get out now.

No, there is no point in arguing with fanboys, because you know we're right. You're points have been proven wrong in everyway. Just go away.



LMAO@ Gypsy's last few sentances. * Hi-5's gypsy*

 

[ParamoreRiot]

HAHA
I love how Club R.I.D.L.E.Y. just totally owned this thread.

 

[Caael]

It's our job. No need to thank us, just pay it forward.

 

[Gypsy Lee]

Too many pictures, making it lag.

-Kokichi

 

[Caael]

That was pure ***-****. Big Rick, just wait.

 

[etrain911]

Lmfao at gypsy burn baby burn baby burn plazma inferno.