MrMcNuts
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Thanks! My bad for not remembering there's so many names I interact with that it gets hard to keep track of em allMighty kind! @RidleyPWizard
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Thanks! My bad for not remembering there's so many names I interact with that it gets hard to keep track of em allMighty kind! @RidleyPWizard
Beautiful work!That Last Stand leak had "Rabbids fan fiction" written all over it. I'm not the least bit surprised it turned out to be a fabrication.
Talk about hittin' a guy when he's down though. Thankfully we don't give up easy.
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I’d be ok with Hayabusa or Rayman to be completely honest. I am curious whether Ray will show up in the new Rabbids game at the very least. Since it’s not releasing till 2022 there’s probably still some secrets in store for it.You know...
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We've yet to get a character from a new company in pass 2, we got one via Cloud in Smash 4 and two in pass 1 so it's a bit odd.
...It'll probably just be Hayabusa.
Maybe it's just my bias for wanting Rayman to get in, but man, this theory has just SO much going for it. Literally the only reason I'm not fully counting on it is because the last Smash characters to be revealed aren't really hype, and chances are that the last character could probably be a Gen 8 Pokemon.Here’s an illustration from this…
Arms
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Because of the Late Development of implementing Full Arms Content there was not enough time to get Music, Stage, Fighter, and additional Spirits. Rather instead it’s a Spring Man Assist Trophy, 2-Mii Costumes and 5-Spirits, than when Min Min became the First Spirit Upgraded Fighter in Volume 2 DLC she brought in with Spring Stadium, Arms Music, additional Arms Spirits and a Ninjara Mii Costume. Along with confirmation that the Arms Director requesting Min Min being the playable character of Arms, signifying that The 1st and 3rd-party Developer’s and Company’s who campaigned for a Spot.
Minecraft
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Microsoft and Nintendo have built up their unprecedented relationship with Nintendo Exclusive content as the build up led to 2-DLC Packs in Super Smash Bros Ultimate in Banjo-Kazooie and Minecraft, thus which both have been in 5-Year Development dating back to 2014. With the release of Banjo-Kazooie Pack in Volume 1 than Minecraft Pack in Volume 2. With support from Phil Spencer of Microsoft we got 2-Xbox based characters in a Nintendo Exclusive
Final Fantasy 7
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When Cloud arrived in Super Smash Bros 4 it was in a Small portion that have not been satisfying representation for its Fans, and when Ultimate came it remained unchanged for the FF7 Representation Fans were hoping for as the 2-Songs returned along with Midgar along with No Original Artwork Fighter Spirit for Cloud. We get to Volume 1 DLC with Dragon Quest Content of Akira Toriyama fame aswell as Square Enix involvement with the DLC Development confirmed, than Final Fantasy 7 fans finally got the Proper Representation of Content with the Sephiroth Pack as it came with a New FF7 Stage, 9-Additional Songs (which we would later find out was them getting past Copyright Regulations from All Party’s to acquire these Songs for 4-Years), Final Fantasy 7 Spirits finally getting added, 4-FF7 Mii Costumes, and Cloud Updated in his Advent Children skin to include a NEW Final Smash from his Advent Children fight.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2
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Xenoblade Chronicles coming to Super Smash Bros 4 with Shulk was the beginning of the whole representation of that Game, we jump 4-Years Later with Ultimate and 2-New Entry’s of Xenoblade Chronicles Game’s with only one having an incomplete and Unfinished amount of Content in Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Because of the late development of XB2 it only had 3-Xenoblade 2 Songs and 8-Spirits in release, with the Release of Fighters Pass Volume 1 DLC came with a Rex Mii Costume. 2-Years later in Volume 2 we finally got an Updated Xenoblade Chronicles 2 Pack with Pyra/Mythra, Xenoblade 2 Stage, 13-Additional Music Tracks and 6-New Xenoblade 2 Spirits including an Upgraded Rex Spirit embedded in with the Base Game Rex Spirit. Thus Completing the Xenoblade Chronicles 2 representation
Tekken
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Sakurai has stated in the Past that Tekken’s Control Gameplay is very Complex to integrate for Smash Bros 4 which left out Heihachi as a possible Playable Character, as a result Sakurai instead opted to make a Heihachi Mii Costume for DLC and leaving out any possibility’s for Tekken Content. Fast forward to Super Smash Bros Ultimate Release the only Nod Tekken ever got was PAC-MAN’s Namco Roulette of the Galaga Sprite of Heihachi, which would once again leave Tekken out of the Running of Base Game content. At the Beginning of Volume 2 DLC the Smash Bros 4 Namco Mii Costumes returned starting with Heihachi Mii Costume with Min Min, than the Gil Mii Costume returned with Minecraft, At E3 2-Days ago we finally got a New Namco Rep in Tekken’s own Kazuya Mishima. This pattern of Unfinished Representation Content has been 100% consistent with every Volume 2 Release, I would even dare say that Byleth Pack would also be apart of this pattern of Missing Content of Fire Emblem series.
Which brings us to one other Unfinished Content.
Rayman
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Rayman is by FAR the One IP from a Worldwide Triple AAA Western Gaming Distribution Company that has been Demanded by Ubisoft and Everyone to be Added into Super Smash Bros all the way back to the Smash Bros 4 yet has Not been fully Represented properly, for Sakurai to persistently Shine Rayman in both Super Smash Bros 4 and Ultimate as both a Trophy and an Image (aka/ Spirit) is a more clearer example of Sakurai trying to compose the book of Representations in Ultimate. When the Ubisoft Mii Costumes were added with Byleth the Writing is now on the Wall that Ubisoft has an involvement with the Smash Bros Ultimate DLC Development, thus became the Start of what would be called The Loose End Theory
I mean, Rayman would fit the whole "Last Smash reveals aren't hype" thing for Japanese audiences lol, would make sense to leave a character who ain't popular in Japan for last to Nintendo I suppose.But who's to say that this "last Smash character reveals aren't hype" argument isn't just another one of those so called "rules" made up by Smash fans? What if Sakurai proves us wrong and closes the Ultimate life cycle with a character pick as awesome as Rayman?
I highly doubt a Gen 8 Pokemon or a BOTW rep is happening. If you look at the music test menu, there's an empty spot left after Tekken takes one of the remaining 2 spots. It implies effectively either a brand new IP that never got into Smash before or a series that never had a playable rep in Smash before gets a rep like Rayman, Shantae etc.I mean, Rayman would fit the whole "Last Smash reveals aren't hype" thing for Japanese audiences lol, would make sense to leave a character who ain't popular in Japan for last to Nintendo I suppose.
That said I do think it's most likely gonna be someone like a BOTW character or a Gen 8 Pokémon, but I won't fully count out Rayman just yet.
The Mario and Rabbids sequel shows that the Nintendo and Ubisoft partnership is still going strong which works in Rayman's favour.I'm just glad to see Rayman back in discussions again without people going "LOL no he's dead" and shutting it down, even if we don't make it in.
Here's hoping.
Please elaborate on this because I don't understand.I highly doubt a Gen 8 Pokemon or a BOTW rep is happening. If you look at the music test menu, there's an empty spot left after Tekken takes one of the remaining 2 spots. It implies effectively either a brand new IP that never got into Smash before or a series that never had a playable rep in Smash before gets a rep like Rayman, Shantae etc.
People are thinking that the sound test menu needs to form a perfect rectangle, though I'm not sure how often that's worked out for anything in-game beyond the first Smash Bros. (character select screens, stage select screens, etc. - even going back to Melee, the character select screen had conspicuous blank spots on either side. Perfect for two more characters, but they were never filled in)Please elaborate on this because I don't understand.
If you were saying this in Twitter you'd probably be spammed with a lot of those unfunny "Scrimblo Bimblo" memes.I dunno if its just me but having a fourth anime style character after getting 2 of them in a row (Kazuya isn't really 'anime style' as much as someone like Terry or Ryu, because of Tekken's more gritty nature) would be the most disappointing end that Smash has ever had. Even if it isn't Rayman, which I hope it is him, that we at least get a big bombshell character that may not be the most popular pick, but one that will please a lot of people, like us Rayman fans, for example.
I've never mentioned this here cuz it's not related, but behind Rayman, Master Chief is #2 in my top 5 of Most Wanted characters to join Smash, because Halo is another one of those franchises that I grew up playing, so Chief is the one I have the most attachment to.I have to ask how would you guys feel if Master Chief wounds up being the last character in smash?
Yeah, sadly.If you were saying this in Twitter you'd probably be spammed with a lot of those unfunny "Scrimblo Bimblo" memes.
That's the spirit! It ain't over until it's over!I'm just glad to see Rayman back in discussions again without people going "LOL no he's dead" and shutting it down, even if we don't make it in.
Here's hoping.
I'm not giving up until that last fighter is revealed!That's the spirit! It ain't over until it's over!
It would get me to finally try the Mario + Rabbids games lolI'll be real, if these trademark renewals weren't for Smash then I really don't know what's actually in store for Rayman.
What if Rayman is actually gonna be in Mario + Rabbids: Sparks of Hope but they decided not to show him off right away? Like he's a character you meet later in the game or something, IIRC they did say there was gonna be some surprises with the game during Ubisoft's E3 show.
I don't see Hayabusa after that interview.You know...
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We've yet to get a character from a new company in pass 2, we got one via Cloud in Smash 4 and two in pass 1 so it's a bit odd.
...It'll probably just be Hayabusa.
I still think Rayman has a very good chance of showing up, we'll just have to wait and see.While im not expecting Rayman, Kazuya's reveal is in our benefit. He was revealed AFTER the Heihachi Mii Costume. The Ubisoft costumes came in FP1, as opposed to Heihachi who literally could have been saved for Kazuya, but i guess he felt like throwing his father off his pack.
So the Costumes can't really be used as a counterargument anymore. It's too bad this revelation came in too late for me to care that much.
I don't see Hayabusa after that interview.
If im honest the only new company i can think of is Falcom (Adol, Estelle and Rean Schwarzenegger) and maybe an indie if im feeling extra ballsy.
Outside of that, i think it's more likely that we could just get another Nintendo character, or some underspeculated Third Party.
I too believe that Rayman has a lot going for him, not a lock by any means, but he's one that I think it has a very good chance of being!The longer I think about it, the more I think it’s weird that Ubisoft got the Mii costumes for Rabbids and Assassin’s Creed, but not for THE most popular character of their company, at least in regards to Smash speculation. Now with Kazuya getting in, regardless of getting the Tekken costume with Min Min, this could bring the solution. Ubisoft, being the only big 3rd party company to get Mii costumes and no character, just makes little sense considering their ties to Nintendo. And since their Smash frontrunner didn’t even show up as a Mii... It is just weird. If I had to guess right now, my guess would actually go to Rayman. He has to most going for him.
I mean Bethesda's another AAA company and they only have a single Mii costume with Vault Boy (that happened and would've been decided on before Microsoft bought out Bethesda)The longer I think about it, the more I think it’s weird that Ubisoft got the Mii costumes for Rabbids and Assassin’s Creed, but not for THE most popular character of their company, at least in regards to Smash speculation. Now with Kazuya getting in, regardless of getting the Tekken costume with Min Min, this could bring the solution. Ubisoft, being the only big 3rd party company to get Mii costumes and no character, just makes little sense considering their ties to Nintendo. And since their Smash frontrunner didn’t even show up as a Mii... It is just weird. If I had to guess right now, my guess would actually go to Rayman. He has to most going for him.
Difference is that Bethesda doesn't have the history with Nintendo that Ubisoft does.I mean Bethesda's another AAA company and they only have a single Mii costume with Vault Boy (that happened and would've been decided on before Microsoft bought out Bethesda)
That said it still is strange to see these major companies get Mii costumes but no fully playable characters, makes ya really wonder what went on behind the scenes lol
True, Ubisoft was the only big AAA company in Smash 4 to have representation but not any playable characters IIRCDifference is that Bethesda doesn't have the history with Nintendo that Ubisoft does.
Hopefully we will survive the next Mii Wave, yeah!We should be able to survive another Mii Wave no problem, right?
It's going to be Lloyd, maybe Jin, maybe Nightmare... I HOPE we get a King costume cause that'd be amazing. But otherwise this is not really the character I'd expect Rayman on.
It’s a 12.6% chance a Rayman Mii Costume would happen, as the Lloyd Costume will be back, 3-Tekken Costumes are definitely going to be added which I’m confident is Jin, Mokujin and Yoshimitsu, and if by chance a 5th Mii Costume does get brought in it is more likely an Assist Trophy Mii like Shovel KnightWe should be able to survive another Mii Wave no problem, right?
It's going to be Lloyd, maybe Jin, maybe Nightmare... I HOPE we get a King costume cause that'd be amazing. But otherwise this is not really the character I'd expect Rayman on.
Well, you have Yacht Club, Wayforward and Koei Tecmo also having some content at launch, so not exactly. Then again Koei Tecmo's is just Fatal Frame which is a co-owned IP. I always assumed Koei Tecmo benefited from loose end, but with the last character on the horizon I have trouble picturing someone like Hayabusa as last, even though I would like him in.Been thinking about Loose End Theory some more, and a thought occurred to me: Isn't Ubisoft the only major 3rd Party that's been involved in Smash Ultimate from the beginning that doesn't have a character yet? With the Rayman and Mario + Rabbids spirits in base game, then the mii costumes in DLC? Heck you could take it a step further and say they've been involved, continuously, since Smash 4 with the 3 Rayman trophies. My point with this being that you would really think they'd have a character in by now.
To be fair though, Ubisoft, as a company, is a great deal bigger than those 3, no? And while Nintendo is in good graces with all of them, Ubisoft definitely seems to be their biggest collaborative partner, being the only one that's gotten to use the Mario IP, as well as Star Fox and Donkey Kong.Well, you have Yacht Club, Wayforward and Koei Tecmo also having some content at launch, so not exactly. Then again Koei Tecmo's is just Fatal Frame which is a co-owned IP. I always assumed Koei Tecmo benefited from loose end, but with the last character on the horizon I have trouble picturing someone like Hayabusa as last, even though I would like him in.
Koei Tecmo's also done their handful as collaborators, to be fair. A lot of Warriors games, Metroid Other M, Fire Emblem Three Houses. So they've also gotten their fill of using Nintendo's important IPs. This is why I feel a Koei Tecmo rep like Hayabusa would definitely warrant their slot in the roster.To be fair though, Ubisoft, as a company, is a great deal bigger than those 3, no? And while Nintendo is in good graces with all of them, Ubisoft definitely seems to be their biggest collaborative partner, being the only one that's gotten to use the Mario IP, as well as Star Fox and Donkey Kong.
I cannot help but laugh when people start talking about the next game... as if we are, in any way, going to just continue to build upon the current roster (or even have it anywhere similar, with just a few cuts). The next game either needs to continue with 'everyone is here,' (which seems unlikely to me), or just reset.Koei Tecmo's also done their handful as collaborators, to be fair. A lot of Warriors games, Metroid Other M, Fire Emblem Three Houses. So they've also gotten their fill of using Nintendo's important IPs. This is why I feel a Koei Tecmo rep like Hayabusa would definitely warrant their slot in the roster.
Ubisoft is definitely the bigger company overall, but I'd say KT is nearly as important as Ubi to them. Not to mention that Wayforward is starting to build their way up by working on the new Advanced Wars, so we could be anticipating someone like Shantae in the next game.
To be fair though, Ubisoft, as a company, is a great deal bigger than those 3, no? And while Nintendo is in good graces with all of them, Ubisoft definitely seems to be their biggest collaborative partner, being the only one that's gotten to use the Mario IP, as well as Star Fox and Donkey Kong.
Let’s remember that the consistency of Loose End Theory is that the Content of the Represented Company is focused on Unfinished Representation that is added later on as proven byKoei Tecmo's also done their handful as collaborators, to be fair. A lot of Warriors games, Metroid Other M, Fire Emblem Three Houses. So they've also gotten their fill of using Nintendo's important IPs. This is why I feel a Koei Tecmo rep like Hayabusa would definitely warrant their slot in the roster.
Ubisoft is definitely the bigger company overall, but I'd say KT is nearly as important as Ubi to them. Not to mention that Wayforward is starting to build their way up by working on the new Advanced Wars, so we could be anticipating someone like Shantae in the next game.