Random online matches will most likely be FFAs

[Truegamer#1]

Im pretty sure that you will be able to choose a sever that has stock matches, coin matches or regular time matches, when online comes
or you would be able to customize your own game,
and the people can CHOOSE to fight you,
THIS IS MY thought on what should be done

 

[greenblob]

Eh... friend codes... Actually inputting them is a minor inconvenience compared to my main gripe: no one's online when I am and I often have to plan about a week in advance just for one or two games.

You're right, sending anything has little to no chance of changing the outcome, but it's better than doing nothing.

 

[SmashChu]

I was saying that the casual players won't care, not that Sora doesn't care about casual players. All they want to see is Mario beat up Link--they don't care whether it's badly designed and balanced, or whether the online mode uses items. I brought my GC and Smash to school (it was finals and no one has a test every period) and I made them play tournament style (in fact, I only brought two controllers). I don't think anyone knows about the competitive scene at my school, and yet aside from one or two grumbles, no one cared and everyone wanted to play.

Oh, trust me, they care. They'd be pretty pissed if they don't have a mode that is actually fun. No items, only 7 courses, and only 1v1 stock matches. Yeah, sounds like fun[/sarcasm]

Thats not fun unless your the 2%. Keep in mind your example is a bit flawed. They may have had more fun ioof they all could play. They don't invest enough time to l;earn wavedashing or L-Canceling. They want to play. They like Big Blue and Pokefloats. Hammers are skill. You still haven't relized they want to play something fun. I can assure you that if what you wanted happened that around the globe smash players would wish they could play FFAs, time and use items. That and you still don't get that it'll clog up Nintendo's serves as now they have to double the work.

And you're probably right in saying that Nintendo could care less about us from a financial stand point, but if all they cared about was profit, the game would be out by now--all they need is a crapload of characters, items, and stages, and then polish that off with good graphics, good music, and flashy effects. OK, so they still probably don't give a ****, but still, I think it's worth a shot.
I mean, a significant portion of the discussion in this forum has been "I wonder whether Sakurai/Nintendo reads this" or "hopefully they'll read this rather than look at the crap the Nsider noobs are saying." And since setup is probably the second most important thing for online play (first being lag), if we're going to send something, this should be included.

No, your wrong. It shouldn't be added just becuase you say so. I think Petey Pirahna should be in Brawl. I can send Nintendo a letter. Doesn't mean they should add it. Also, the thing you don't know is polish=profits. Look at Sonic. Sega tookl the appoch of mass shipping and Sonic sales keep going down. Realeasing it fast doesn't make profits, and Nintendoi games are expected to have some glossto them.

Sadley, while Nsiders may be "n00bs" they are a better indication of just who will buy the game. There is wide veriety of people there compaired to here, and they have more useres(and probobly more active users). Multiple people should be able to enjoy the game. Online is for everyone. Also, Nintendo probobly looks here. But, keep in mind they'll look everywhere else too. And I know at other forums I post at the pro scene is destest and considered "boring" and "not fun at all". Nintendo will see that too.

So, in the end, should they care more about messly 2% who has alinated them selves from the rest of the people who play smash like it was inteded to, or the 98% who play to have fun(as the game was developed for). You and all other competative smashers will be OK if friendcodes give you some custimization. But I sure hope they DON'T take what your saying inot consideration. It should be fun for everyone, and played for the sole purpose of being able to fight people far away, not fight tournament style.

 

[_Phloat_]

Well, If online play is absolutaly terrible, there will be one benefit..

all you people who are saying they will not have to drive to the tournaments will, and then they will see that it is really worth it, all the fun you have and you meet more people!

But I hope it is good, and that you can play against good people online (friendcodes don't always work from my experience)

And then you drive to a tournament and kick *** and get *** kicked!

 

[greenblob]

You made one incorrect assumption, that tournament legal matches are no fun. Most competitive Smashers play for fun--only the best of the best actually make money. Competitiveness is what makes games still fun even after many years.
And to casual gamers, it'll still be fun to them. Sure, they might want items and FFA, but the lack of such things in online mode is but a minor inconvenience to them--Smash is to them a party game so why would online matter so much? The only reason they'd want items in the first place is because they're there. If items were never put in any of the Smash Bros. games, it'd have been just as popular as it is now.

 

[Tsuki]

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[SmashChu]

You made one incorrect assumption, that tournament legal matches are no fun. Most competitive Smashers play for fun--only the best of the best actually make money. Competitiveness is what makes games still fun even after many years.
And to casual gamers, it'll still be fun to them. Sure, they might want items and FFA, but the lack of such things in online mode is but a minor inconvenience to them--Smash is to them a party game so why would online matter so much? The only reason they'd want items in the first place is because they're there. If items were never put in any of the Smash Bros. games, it'd have been just as popular as it is now.

Do you really think that? You assum they want to play just like you. One course. No items. 1v1 only. Besides that fact I have said 1million times it will cloge up the server. Remember Mario kart DS. The game that lacked some importaint items, courses, and is covered in Sanking. Becuase that's what you sound like. By going by the tounrmant rules ONLY you alientate everyone.

Need I screen it from mountain tops. 2%. That means there is 98% more. Keep in mind this is just America. Chances are that competative smashers make up less then 1% of all smash players when you include Japan, Europe and Australia. You may find some that don't care, but stictisticly, chances are that more people then those who are competative smash players who will care and will be pissed. I know quite a few people who do not want anything to do with competative play becuase they do not find it fun.

Competativeness will not make it fun though. In a few years it will become unbalanced like it is now. Just playing the game casually, with FFAs, items and all the courses, will keep the balance their. Becuse, even now, there is still balance in that way of play.

 

[Salaad]

Do you really think that? You assum they want to play just like you. One course. No items. 1v1 only. Besides that fact I have said 1million times it will cloge up the server. Remember Mario kart DS. The game that lacked some importaint items, courses, and is covered in Sanking. Becuase that's what you sound like. By going by the tounrmant rules ONLY you alientate everyone.

Need I screen it from mountain tops. 2%. That means there is 98% more. Keep in mind this is just America. Chances are that competative smashers make up less then 1% of all smash players when you include Japan, Europe and Australia. You may find some that don't care, but stictisticly, chances are that more people then those who are competative smash players who will care and will be pissed. I know quite a few people who do not want anything to do with competative play becuase they do not find it fun.

Competativeness will not make it fun though. In a few years it will become unbalanced like it is now. Just playing the game casually, with FFAs, items and all the courses, will keep the balance their. Becuse, even now, there is still balance in that way of play.

Are you kidding? 2%? Need I scream from mountain tops that smash is basically all about competitive play? I see everyone at my school that plays smash plays competitively, either City tournaments or small tournaments. If you ask most people why they play they would say "Because it's hella fun" Why you ask? BECAUSE I GET TO PWN MY FRIENDS IN THE FACE NON STOP. Oh, btw, 2% is your assumption, how do you know how many people play competitively? You forget that people play competitively against their friends/family. People don't even know about Brawl either. I know a lot of people (mostly everyone) who have Melee, but have not heard a single word of what Brawl is. Why even use Advanced Techs at all if you play for "fun". I have to say, if you think we are 2%, your wrong SO MANY PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT BRAWL IS. It's going to stay that way, until word spreads. Think about it, people that play Melee casually usually play competitively, people that barely touch Melee after they play for a week will probably put it in their closet. 2%, not close at all, because no one knows how many people play competitively, and there are also underground players too. LolBBQSAUCEPLOXamDONE

 

[SmashChu]

Are you kidding? 2%? Need I scream from mountain tops that smash is basically all about competitive play? I see everyone at my school that plays smash plays competitively, either City tournaments or small tournaments. If you ask most people why they play they would say "Because it's hella fun" Why you ask? BECAUSE I GET TO PWN MY FRIENDS IN THE FACE NON STOP. Oh, btw, 2% is your assumption, how do you know how many people play competitively? You forget that people play competitively against their friends/family. People don't even know about Brawl either. I know a lot of people (mostly everyone) who have Melee, but have not heard a single word of what Brawl is. Why even use Advanced Techs at all if you play for "fun". I have to say, if you think we are 2%, your wrong SO MANY PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT BRAWL IS. It's going to stay that way, until word spreads. Think about it, people that play Melee casually usually play competitively, people that barely touch Melee after they play for a week will probably put it in their closet. 2%, not close at all, because no one knows how many people play competitively, and there are also underground players too. LolBBQSAUCEPLOXamDONE

Look at sales figures. Just becuase everyone at YOUR school plays like that doesn't mean the world plays like that. If you read back the number is the precent of this board out of the american sales of Melee. While you might say :"Well not every competative player has an account here". But not everyone here is competative. So, the number will balance out. But, really, it should be well known that competative players are the minority.

Also, you forget how I'm using the word. I say it as people who play by tournamnet rules. People who play competativly with friends may still use items, or play on tournamnt banned courses. While 2% may be a bit small, I can tell you that 10% or less actually play it competativly. Not many people like to play samsh like it is in tournamnts.

And while most people don'tt know what Brawl is yet, chances are if they did, they wouldn't play it like tournamnt smashers.

I think most tourney players have lost site of how smash really is. Also, asked Nsiders if they think online should only be tournament play, and I never got a yes.

 

[WhiteZER0]

Um. Guys. This is the Wii, which is a much stronger technology then the DS. We can't compare the Wii to a handheld system, it's just not logical. And for and example, Super Mario Strikers Online Play is said to have little to no lag, so I'm going to guess that Brawl Online will have little lag. About how matches will be set up, I don't think that Nintendo would be stupid enough to make the online play for a game as BIG as Smash Bros. totally random. I'm sure they want to make it successful, so they will PROBABLY add customization options. This is one of the biggest games of the year people, they're gonna try their best not to screw up (this is an OPINION people, not a FACT, so don't get all uptight about it)

 

[greenblob]

The DS can do better too. It's not the hardware--it's Nintendo's strategy.

I don't really want to turn this into a competitive vs. casual thread, but you're greatly mistaken in saying1v1 no items is not fun--it is, and that includes the vast majority of casuals too. Competitive Smash was developed to make the game as fun as it can be, not to take the fun out. The goal of the standard tournament setup is to enrich the gameplay, thus making it more fun. When you see enthusiastic players in tournament videos, they're not excited for the money--they're having the time of their lives playing this great game.

But I digress...

On the casual side...
You mentioned balance. The truth is, there is no balance to the casual crowd because to them, this game is a button masher. It's a party game, and in such realms, balance doesn't exist.
One thing I want to stress: ultimately, casual players won't care what setup the game is in. To them, this is basically an orgy of all their favorite characters. The gameplay could be completely overhauled and it wouldn't matter too much.
And speaking of casual players and setups, I've seen the strangest setups amongst casual players. Some swear by slow-mo Melee. Others won't play anything but stamina mode. Still others have a ruleset that makes Smashwiki's Tournament Legal page look pale in comparison--I've see everything from the banning of Young Link to Hyrule or Corneria only to a rule against edgehogging. So to sum it all up, to casuals, setup isn't a big deal.

Actually, now that I think about it, I believe that Sakurai has no fanbase in mind at all--he just wants it to be an awesome game. He knows that it'll sell either way, and if it leads to relatively poorer sales of ssb4, it's not his problem.

And again, I think trying is better than doing nothing. It can't hurt, right?

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

I'm guessing you haven't played the DS online?

I guess you've never player Metroid Prime Hunters?

 

[greenblob]

Actually, I own the game. I can pick my character and vote for the stage, but that's it. Where's the option for team matches or 1v1s? How come I can't adjust the winning conditions?

Of course, we're discussing random matches.

 

[WhiteZER0]

Well, I guess seeing as how the DS has more sales than anything else (last time I checked, anyways), I guess you have a point.

And to add, sometimes I'll change the kind of mode of I'm bored someday, just for the heck of it. Slow-mo can make some pretty good moments to look back on, same with Fast-Mo and... actually, that's about it. XD But that's beside the point. Sometimes it's just fun to do all the irrelevant and miscellaneous things they added, even if they are ignored more than half the time XD

 

[Dark_Ermac]

Think about Mario Kart DS...

What if the options (including stages) are limited???

That would suck. It already sucks that it's nearly impossible to play against one of your friends online, but instead you get the camper, the dc-er, and the spammer!

 

[MVPaintballer]

d/c = free win! lols, I wonder what will happen if just one person is lagging, will it be like starcraft and have the game pause? lol

 

[SmashChu]

The DS can do better too. It's not the hardware--it's Nintendo's strategy.

I don't really want to turn this into a competitive vs. casual thread, but you're greatly mistaken in saying1v1 no items is not fun--it is, and that includes the vast majority of casuals too. Competitive Smash was developed to make the game as fun as it can be, not to take the fun out. The goal of the standard tournament setup is to enrich the gameplay, thus making it more fun. When you see enthusiastic players in tournament videos, they're not excited for the money--they're having the time of their lives playing this great game.

I think it has become a casual v competative already. I'll try not to divert if I can.

But, you may think 1v1s are fun, but not everyone else does. Talking to other gamers, they think the opposite. The other thing is you say it "enriches" the game, but it mostly aliniates it's self. My friend ssaid he would never play me if I learned how to shuffle. It one that takes out a lot from the game. Thats why I don't enjoy it that much. I like all out brawls. Melee is frantic and unpredictable. But competative play takes that away. It makes it *yawn* fair.

But I digress...

On the casual side...
You mentioned balance. The truth is, there is no balance to the casual crowd because to them, this game is a button masher. It's a party game, and in such realms, balance doesn't exist.
One thing I want to stress: ultimately, casual players won't care what setup the game is in. To them, this is basically an orgy of all their favorite characters. The gameplay could be completely overhauled and it wouldn't matter too much.
And speaking of casual players and setups, I've seen the strangest setups amongst casual players. Some swear by slow-mo Melee. Others won't play anything but stamina mode. Still others have a ruleset that makes Smashwiki's Tournament Legal page look pale in comparison--I've see everything from the banning of Young Link to Hyrule or Corneria only to a rule against edgehogging. So to sum it all up, to casuals, setup isn't a big deal.

If you think people see it as a button masher, your wrong, which may mean you've lost contact with others. But, as you described it, it is a big deal. They like to play a specific way.

If you wwant me to stress it more, as I said, I asked Nsiders what they think. They all saisd No. They said it wasn't a tournamant. They care just as much about set up as you do. And again, if it was ionly 1v1s the server would lag. Also, with Nintendo's online, they have always allowed up to 4 players. Even Mario Strikers Charged lets 4 players play(2 on a team). It would be to much to ask JUST for tournamant pplay.

Actually, now that I think about it, I believe that Sakurai has no fanbase in mind at all--he just wants it to be an awesome game. He knows that it'll sell either way, and if it leads to relatively poorer sales of ssb4, it's not his problem.

Actually, it IS his problem if it sells less then 64. Shinmu for the Dreamsast is a good example. It sold poorly because of Sega, but the developer took the rap. As far as fan base, he's appeling to people who are more casual. Ones who just play to play. No rules. Just fun.

And again, I think trying is better than doing nothing. It can't hurt, right?

It can't, but it's also pointless. If you wish to, writen letters work the best. But, by now they have everything worked out. So, it would get brushed to the side.

 

[Superstar]

I couldn't care less about random battles, what I really request are customizable friend matches. Most likely, random matches are most likely going to be FFA with items, but I wish to have my 1v1s, no items somewhere, at least in friend matches.

SmashChu has a point of random online rules, although he should try giving SHFFL a whirl, but it might not be for him, so its not important. Nintendo is most likely gearing this for the casual gamers, have you seen the smashbros.com site? Almost all of its updates are crap to the competitive player. The only thing I liked was that GC controllers have been truely once and for all confirmed.

Me, I want online play as I am not permitted to go to tournaments, however, even though I will be playing tournament rules in friend matches, I know its for fun, for real tournament goodness I would have to go to a local tournament.

 

[greenblob]

So I'm kinda reviving a dead thread, but...I told you so! (well, kinda)

OK, joking aside, what do you think about the online system? Is there anything we can do? Maybe we could collaborate with the Japanese competitive Smashers somehow?

 

[heety9]

Oh, **** Nintendo with their games supposed to be for everyone! I like hardcore games like Melee.

 

[the.best.member.ever]

yea a lobby would be nice, but Im expecting something like your in a room with three other slots and after some searching some peoples name enter in the those slots and then a match begin( havent really thiught about how stages will be set up). I would really like if whenever you were online you had options and those options read:

1 on 1
2on2
1 on 1 on1
1on 1on1on
1on 2
1on 3

I would really like if they had those buttons. That way we just choose one and they find an opponent. Anyway I can bet anything that on the day before brawl is released someone is gonna make topic title "need Friend code" it will be stickied and everyone will have there will addressbook full.

You're on the right track, but I think choosing your game type should be done this way instead.
First select screen: Friends or everyone
Second Screen: 1v1, 2v2, or FFA
Third Screen: Stock or Time
Fourth Screen: Items off or Items on

I like the voting system as a possibility for some things, but not the important things like Stock vs Time or items. Obviously you would only advance to screens 2 3 and 4 if you chose everyone instead of friends. If you chose everyone, then depending on your match preferences, you would be paired up with people interested in the same sort of matchup.