Random online matches will most likely be FFAs

[greenblob]

I have faith in Sakurai and I know that he is very unpredictable, but I don't have blind faith.

Nintendo has repeatedly stressed that outside of friend codes, chatting, lobbies, and such won't happen.

Mario Strikers Charged online is OK, but that's because you can't customize much in the first place--you can change the length of the matches and that's it.

Also, unless someone notifies Sakurai and his team that this is how the competitive Smashers play and that there's huge support behind the idea, I doubt that it'll even cross his mind to make friend code-less online matches be tournament legal, which is why I made this thread in the first place.

 

[greenblob]

Uh... which online games of Nintendos are NOT custimizable?

Metroid comes to mind.

I'm talking about random matches, not ones involving friend codes.

 

[Mr.GAW]

I have faith in Sakurai and I know that he is very unpredictable, but I don't have blind faith.

Nintendo has repeatedly stressed that outside of friend codes, chatting, lobbies, and such won't happen.

No they haven't.

Mario Strikers Charged online is OK, but that's because you can't customize much in the first place--you can change the length of the matches and that's it.

Are you sure? I thought you could choose the stage too.

 

[Tsuki]

I'll quote myself from the other thread i just answered to:

Why do people only predict bad things? Are you all some sort of pessimists?
What if they make it like Starcraft where you can open a game with youre own rules and other people can join? So casual players can play wih items on fun-stages and competive playerscan open a 1on1 without items on Battlefield.
I dont think there will be a big problem in making this. Hope we will know more on wednesday

 

[greenblob]

Choosing stages is a given, just like how choosing your character is a given.

Nintendo's said that they want to make their online games "safe and fun" which means friend codes or random matches. The fact that they got sued because of Pictochat doesn't help things.

Tsuki, if you've taken a look at every single non-friend code online setup, you'll see why.

 

[BentoBox]

http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2555333&postcount=110 !

 

[greenblob]

I fully agree that Brawl's online setup should be like that. However, the chances of that happening are close to zero at this point.

 

[Lupo Aro]

Friend Codes are actually a good thing when it comes to tournaments, knowing this having participated in a Pokemon Wi-Fi tournament.

As for random battles, I expect the usual Nintendo stuff, unfortunately.

 

[zKillah]

An online game doesn't need lobbies to be successful. Halo 2 has no lobbies at all, but it does offer various game modes. Even Tetris DS offers choices for its random online play. I think we're likely to see 1 v 1, 2 v2, and FFA options available as stock, timed, coin, and bonus modes. I also think items and stock/time will be semi-adjustable.

Players will toggle items on and off, and stock and time will probably be adjustable by 5 stock/minutes. After inputting their options, players will be matched according to their preferences. It wouldn't be too hard if they put a cap on the stock and time- about 5,10,15, maybe 20. I think this could work without an XBox Live type service.

 

[Lupo Aro]

I forgot to mention that Diddy Kong Racing DS lets you choose modes in random matches.

 

[SmashChu]

Friendcodes anyone.

I think Nintendo's system works. Even if there were ladders they would still be FFA. To ask for 1v1s ONLY is dumb as this creates double the server useage.

Friendcode matches have always been constimizable. But, remeber, if it was to be set up by tournemnet rules, then online smash qwqould be no fun. There are a lot more casula players then pros. They will probobly focus on them more. ASndd that's fine. Pro can manage going to large scale tournaments cross country. That's what they do.

 

[chiyo-chan' dad]

Friendcodes anyone.

I think Nintendo's system works. Even if there were ladders they would still be FFA. To ask for 1v1s ONLY is dumb as this creates double the server useage.

Friendcode matches have always been constimizable. But, remeber, if it was to be set up by tournemnet rules, then online smash qwqould be no fun. There are a lot more casula players then pros. They will probobly focus on them more. ASndd that's fine. Pro can manage going to large scale tournaments cross country. That's what they do.

I want to be a pro, but do you think we all has that kind of money to go to other country to play a tournament, hell no. I hope their are a lot of tournament online.

 

[greenblob]

There are a lot more casula players then pros. They will probobly focus on them more.

Which is why I made this thread. If we can get the Brawl team's attention in some way, then the just might consider something like scenario 3 (from the front page).

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

There are a lot more casula players then pros. They will probobly focus on them more.

True, $$$ talks and the wavedashers can walk as far as nintendo's concerned Im sure. But brawl looks like its gonna be good and theres friendcodes, etc etc.

Ok say you join a random game, chances are its a ffa, the same happens on kaillera.

However, even the noobiest ssb64 players play 1v1s on the kaillera server so perhaps youll find 1v1 games, and if all else fails just make your own.

Best method IMO would just to play people from smashboards. Im sure we'll get some massive brawl online friend threads going.

 

[SmashChu]

Which is why I made this thread. If we can get the Brawl team's attention in some way, then the just might consider something like scenario 3 (from the front page).

I think number 3 is also dumb. Mostly becuase no one will play. If their is one, chances are it will be the same as the FFA but now it determines your rank.

I think online smash needs to be cattered towards the casual gamers. It's all in fun. The ability to pick your match type would also be good. In Starfox Command you can pick the number of people you fight(I assum there will be something with choicing stock and time) but even thaty will have items.

I do think it's safe to say the pro sence will get revised. Mostly in that FFA will become more promedent(which isn't a bad thing as they are more fun). No matter how you look at it, the pros won't really get their wway in online smash. I think as long as Nintendo allows for a large list of codes(I menas at least 64) then I beleive you guys are fine.

 

[Yellow Mage]

Whatever "modes" are allowed for online play, I'm fairly confident that those will eventually become the "tourney" de-facto.

Assuming, of course, that online doesn't make tournament play totally obsolete, which there is still a decent chance of.

Still, one can only hope for the best. I don't see the need for friend codes, seeing as you can't "type out" anything profane while smashing in your opponent's face.

. . . Then again, there will always be those fools who decide to make "full use" of the Names system, which just-so-conveniently allows for four letters.

Though even so, that can easily be worked around. I don't know if I'm alone here, but I personally found the names hovering over your charactor's head to be quite annoying, especially if you were only doing a fun match and grabbed an Invisibility Device. Totally destroyed the practicality of it, with the sole exception of the damage nullification.

So, what if Brawl didn't make everybody's name hover about annoyingly? Heck, online, there would -still- only be the need for your own name (or names, if multiple people-per-console is allowed) to be displayed, if at all.

Which brings me back to my original point: I don't think Friend Codes would be a necessary "precautionary measure," seeing as there isn't much for a "predator" to work with in a fighting game. All they can do is beat each other up. Problem solved. Case Closed.

 

[JPW]

i reckon this should be the way.

5 stock or 5 minute time limit - If they can do Mario Strikers with 2 - 3 rounds of 5 minute matches, then really this should be no problem. Plus 3 lives or 2 minutes is just too short.

Up to 4 players at once - Finding another 3 could be easier than you think considering the popularity. Though some countries might be harder than others. Unless they let you go worldwide online.

Random Stages - This be the best option I feel.

All items to be included but rarely come - Items make the game more fun I feel, and can give a slight advantage at times.

Cancel Wavedashing Host Choice - The person who is hosting the game should have full control over this as to what is fair and what isn't. Eventually you'll have to learn how to wavedash sooner or later. But please don't use it all the time. Use it when you're really in trouble and think you need it. Not like those Super Mario Strikers who keep on using the Super Strike move, when they're already way infront.

Assist Trophies -With the way these things work, i'm guessing you have to unlock the assist trophies, could be 3 to 5 assist Trophies in the whole match. And they should be ones of which all of you have unlocked.

Characters - All should be there, or whoever is the furthest gets the last say. I feel it is really not right say you're a pro with Sonic(if he's in) and you really want to pick him but you can't because someone else hasn't unlocked him, already you could be at a disadvantage and find it to be hard choice. A fixed roster would screw up the game and make it unfair and not right. These newcomers were meant to be used.

That's my feeling.

I'm actually hoping they're better than this. Though Online, I don't really care about. And I probably wont go online till I have everything unlocked and I am ready. It will certainly not be the first thing I do.

Why limit yourself to a limited online player mode with limited characters and such?
I barely played Multiplayer when SSBM came out, I was focused on unlocking all characters and such. Once I had all of that than the Multiplayer madness began, and it was much better.
Cause I had everything, and all I needed was trophies after that.

 

[greenblob]

I think number 3 is also dumb. Mostly becuase no one will play. If their is one, chances are it will be the same as the FFA but now it determines your rank.

I think online smash needs to be cattered towards the casual gamers. It's all in fun. The ability to pick your match type would also be good. In Starfox Command you can pick the number of people you fight(I assum there will be something with choicing stock and time) but even thaty will have items.

I do think it's safe to say the pro sence will get revised. Mostly in that FFA will become more promedent(which isn't a bad thing as they are more fun). No matter how you look at it, the pros won't really get their wway in online smash. I think as long as Nintendo allows for a large list of codes(I menas at least 64) then I beleive you guys are fine.

I seriously doubt that FFAs will become the tournament mode of choice. Sure, MLG has FFA tournaments for Halo 2, but those are a joke.

And the fact that this is what will probably happen is the reason for this thread--so that we can at least notify the Brawl team that this is how we play. We could have a petition, have a massive mail-in, send them the 0C2 DVD, show them that many competitive Smashers travel across the country (and out of the country) for this game, and get Japanese Smashers' support, and yes I've been reading starmen.net, and hopefully this will get them to at least consider making random online matches tournament legal.

 

[SmashChu]

I seriously doubt that FFAs will become the tournament mode of choice. Sure, MLG has FFA tournaments for Halo 2, but those are a joke.

And the fact that this is what will probably happen is the reason for this thread--so that we can at least notify the Brawl team that this is how we play. We could have a petition, have a massive mail-in, send them the 0C2 DVD, show them that many competitive Smashers travel across the country (and out of the country) for this game, and get Japanese Smashers' support, and yes I've been reading starmen.net, and hopefully this will get them to at least consider making random online matches tournament legal.

MLG also has FFA for Melee. I'd rather have more FFA tounries. A lot more fun in my opinion, and the characters are actually balanced.

Also, I doubt this thread will notify anyone. NoA does actually patrol message boards for honest opinions. If they have seen this thread they will know how you play.

Sad truth is that "online matches tounrament legal" is a bit of a pipe dream. Since it's 1v1, having that as a rendom set up takes up a good deal of surver copasity. Keep in mind your getting this for free.

The other thing, is not matter how much you notify them, but the number of pros verses casual players. This board is the place for competative smash(on the internet). This place has 66,532 members. The game sold 4.06 million in the USA alone. Keep in mind not all of the members are competative smash players. So, it's safe to say that there aren't many. In fact the number of members here is less then 2% of every US player. Basiclly, why care a bout a small fraction of people who bought the game. If all the copetative smash players boycotted Brawl, I doubt it would make an impact.

 

[SGX]

As long as we have the option of setting:

# of Players
1v1 FFA or Team
time/stock
items on/off
Stage Selection

that's really all the customization I need.

The friend code thing we can deal with. We'll just start a massive friend code database thread.

Oh, and...

JPW Wrote:

"Cancel Wavedashing Host Choice - The person who is hosting the game should have full control over this as to what is fair and what isn't. Eventually you'll have to learn how to wavedash sooner or later. But please don't use it all the time. Use it when you're really in trouble and think you need it. Not like those Super Mario Strikers who keep on using the Super Strike move, when they're already way infront."

no.
nonononononono.

 

[Zuby]

I bet they'll pull a Star Fox Command, and will do some insanely pointless thing like making you have to win three in a row to have one win registered. Also, you won't get to choose game type or character. Sad though it may be, that's my prediction.

 

[MechanizedDeviousFox]

http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2555333&postcount=110 !

If they implemented something only 'slightly' like that, I woud love them. Great idea.

 

[Gargomon251]

I'd RATHER have Melee mode, it's more fun with four players, but I hope the ranked matches are one on one. But really, a lot of these strict "tournament rules" I think are too boring. Items, while random, can be easily adapted to, and I think Time is more fun than Stock matches, plus you don't know who is winning until the very end.

Those random matches had BETTER NOT be two minutes. Two mins is NOTHING. Just like the crappy random matches for Mario Kart DS and Planet Puzzle League are so limited.

Cancel Wavedashing Host Choice - The person who is hosting the game should have full control over this as to what is fair and what isn't. Eventually you'll have to learn how to wavedash sooner or later.

I still don't get the big deal about wavedashing (I know HOW to do it), but whatever. If nintendo has any clue what they are doing, they will get rid of that glitch/exploit once and for all.

 

[greenblob]

I'm not saying that anyone working on Brawl will see this thread; I'm saying that we should do something else, such as a petition or massive mail-in, to get their attention so that they might consider it.
Casual players will probably play on any setup since they don't care as much.

And not to get off topic, but...
FFAs are not balanced--they're either campfests or 3v1s.
They changed Z-canceling into L-canceling from 64 to Melee, which is somewhat of an indication of what might happen to wavedashing.

 

[ToXn]

K everyone must understand, no matter what there online is like, there not gonna be any "large" tourneys. maybe some random kid will host them, and have like 15$ for the winner but that's it.

I'd RATHER have Melee mode, it's more fun with four players, but I hope the ranked matches are one on one. But really, a lot of these strict "tournament rules" I think are too boring. Items, while random, can be easily adapted to, and I think Time is more fun than Stock matches, plus you don't know who is winning until the very end.

Those random matches had BETTER NOT be two minutes. Two mins is NOTHING. Just like the crappy random matches for Mario Kart DS and Planet Puzzle League are so limited.


I still don't get the big deal about wavedashing (I know HOW to do it), but whatever. If nintendo has any clue what they are doing, they will get rid of that glitch/exploit once and for all.

Okay you would rather have that, alot of us would rather have something else. how can items be "adapted too"? You sound like a n00b who doesn't even think about stuff when he says it. Comboing someone and then a random capsule exploding in your face isen't fun. Item's were once turned on in tourneys along time ago, they decided to not use them for a reason. How cna you not tell who's winning in a time match? You could just remeber how many times someone kills someone else.

Oh yeah and wavedash was in the game on purpose. So once again you don't know what your talking about. It's not a glitch. go back to nsider/gamefaqs kthxbi

 

[Doggalina]

They changed Z-canceling into L-canceling from 64 to Melee, which is somewhat of an indication of what might happen to wavedashing.

You do realize that they didn't change anything. In 64, Z brings out the shield. In Melee, L and R bring out the shield. You can "L-cancel" with either L or R. However, in Melee, L-cancel doesn't completely get rid of landing lag; it did that in 64.

I'm guessing you'd be able to have some kind of settings in random matches. For instance, when you're searching, you'd be able to put a cap on the number of people who could play with you.

Cancel Wavedashing Host Choice - The person who is hosting the game should have full control over this as to what is fair and what isn't. Eventually you'll have to learn how to wavedash sooner or later. But please don't use it all the time. Use it when you're really in trouble and think you need it. Not like those Super Mario Strikers who keep on using the Super Strike move, when they're already way infront.

Use wavedash when you're in trouble only? Do you think that wavedashing = auto-win? If it's part of the game, it's not cheap. You obviously have some bias against wavedash for some reason.

You apparently play with honor and don't play to win. Scrub.

 

[Mr.GAW]

Alright, lets address the title of the thread here:

Random online matches will most likely be FFAs

Well, for one- we of course have friend codes, which are in no way hard to aquire if you care enough as to want to be playing 1v1 instead of FFA. (Because most if not all advance players have access to the internet and know where they could locate people who would want to play 1v1 with no items.)

Also, the idea that there will be no custimization is ridiculous. Either Nintendo will have a certain amount of 1v1 and FFAs or 2v2s for everyone to play, or people will be able to host their own matches. The idea that Nintendo would ONLY allow you to play FFAs with items is ridiculous.

So, if you want 1v1s with no items- it's not going to be hard to get what you want, here are your options:

-Play with FCs.
-Host your own match.
-Choose a "room" for 1v1's.
-Enter a random match if there are no "rooms" and keep trying 'till you get a 1v1.

No matter what, you'll always have access to the type of match you want to play.

 

[The Hypnotist]

i reckon this should be the way.

5 stock or 5 minute time limit - If they can do Mario Strikers with 2 - 3 rounds of 5 minute matches, then really this should be no problem. Plus 3 lives or 2 minutes is just too short.

Up to 4 players at once - Finding another 3 could be easier than you think considering the popularity. Though some countries might be harder than others. Unless they let you go worldwide online.

Random Stages - This be the best option I feel.

All items to be included but rarely come - Items make the game more fun I feel, and can give a slight advantage at times.

Cancel Wavedashing Host Choice - The person who is hosting the game should have full control over this as to what is fair and what isn't. Eventually you'll have to learn how to wavedash sooner or later. But please don't use it all the time. Use it when you're really in trouble and think you need it. Not like those Super Mario Strikers who keep on using the Super Strike move, when they're already way infront.

Assist Trophies -With the way these things work, i'm guessing you have to unlock the assist trophies, could be 3 to 5 assist Trophies in the whole match. And they should be ones of which all of you have unlocked.

Characters - All should be there, or whoever is the furthest gets the last say. I feel it is really not right say you're a pro with Sonic(if he's in) and you really want to pick him but you can't because someone else hasn't unlocked him, already you could be at a disadvantage and find it to be hard choice. A fixed roster would screw up the game and make it unfair and not right. These newcomers were meant to be used.

That's my feeling.

I'm actually hoping they're better than this. Though Online, I don't really care about. And I probably wont go online till I have everything unlocked and I am ready. It will certainly not be the first thing I do.

Why limit yourself to a limited online player mode with limited characters and such?
I barely played Multiplayer when SSBM came out, I was focused on unlocking all characters and such. Once I had all of that than the Multiplayer madness began, and it was much better.
Cause I had everything, and all I needed was trophies after that.

Your logic seems terrible...

Random Stages because why?
Always items on?

And if someone can say no wavedashing, then someone else should be able to say no item, or no moving stages.

And if someone wants to win they should be able to, if someone wants to use a really good move even though they are owning, then so be it. I know I'll probally get owned by some semi-pros, and that's cool, I'll deal with it but if it were a problem I just wouldn't play.


I personally hope Nintendo doens't care much and just does 1 on 1 no items, but that's not likely, and it's not fair to the casual players.

 

[SmashChu]

I'm not saying that anyone working on Brawl will see this thread; I'm saying that we should do something else, such as a petition or massive mail-in, to get their attention so that they might consider it.
Casual players will probably play on any setup since they don't care as much.

And not to get off topic, but...
FFAs are not balanced--they're either campfests or 3v1s.
They changed Z-canceling into L-canceling from 64 to Melee, which is somewhat of an indication of what might happen to wavedashing.

I think you missed what I'm saying. You are insignificant. People who are "compettive" are a lot smaller then people who just want to play online, with items. Again, as I said, you make less then 2%. Petition, send letter, it wont matter. Chances Nintendo knows about you, but just doesn't care. They are in it for money. If they want people to continue to but their products they better please them. If you look at Sony and Microsoft, pleaseing the hardcore only doesn't work.

I think your just misinformed in just how much influence you actually have. The awnser is little. Chances are by now they now how they want to do online. You can't just ask them "Can you make it so it's only fun for us 1-2% and no one else". You have to understand that they are making it for the casual players. The people who want items. They want crazy courses. And see Mewtwo as an actually good characters(becuase how they play, he's balanced). Agaain, their is always friendcodes. Use them.

Also, with FFA, I meant balance in terms of characters. Campking and 3v1 is not part of balance.

 

[_Phloat_]

*Reads First Page of thread*

Gosh ToXn. you are pretty optimistic

Anyways, I hope that if it is FFA, there will be stock! I really don't care about how many there are, items or not, as long as it is stock I can still play..

Time matches, contrary to what n00bs think, don't destroy camping. They Let campers take the win easy, by killstealing and the like, and make the game like mp:h online, it is just kill the n00b as many times as you can, until you win!

I just hope nintendo's peoples have accounts here

 

[SmashChu]

*Reads First Page of thread*

Gosh ToXn. you are pretty optimistic

Anyways, I hope that if it is FFA, there will be stock! I really don't care about how many there are, items or not, as long as it is stock I can still play..

Time matches, contrary to what n00bs think, don't destroy camping. They Let campers take the win easy, by killstealing and the like, and make the game like mp:h online, it is just kill the n00b as many times as you can, until you win!

I just hope nintendo's peoples have accounts here

I think the game would let you choice either time or stock. I would doubt Nintendo would drop the ball on that.

As for Nintendo having accounts here, they don't. NoA people can look at the forums but can not join. You can still see post here if your not registered right?

 

[pwnzorz]

http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2555333&postcount=110 !

That would be perfect for the online play.
I'm not worried too much about the online play. I like melee the way it is. Brawl is just melee, with more characters, stages, items(who cares), possibly new one player modes, and ONLINE. I'm only excited about online so i can get better. I hardly get to play someone better than me in melee. It sucks for me because i know i am not the best because i haven't played many people better than me and i haven't learned how to wavedash perfectly either.

 

[The Hypnotist]

If something bad happens to online, some newbs on going to pay for it, because I'll blame it on them.

Which means I'll be Wobbling some newbs! And just ***tting on them with Peach.

 

[greenblob]

I know that compared to the casual crowd, we are insignificant. However, casuals are casuals and they won't care that much. It will sell just as well with the tournament style setup for online play. And I know that the Brawl probably hasn't taken any notice of us, which is why we should do something. I'm not saying that if anything does happen, it will be successful--I'm saying that we should at least try.

 

[_Phloat_]

I think the game would let you choice either time or stock. I would doubt Nintendo would drop the ball on that.

As for Nintendo having accounts here, they don't. NoA people can look at the forums but can not join. You can still see post here if your not registered right?

I really hope you are right, I watched a timed pro match (it was a christmas event ) and the player who did the least damage, and was set back the most WON!

Are you saying they cant like they don't, or cant like they really cant. Because smashboards won't let them, nintendo won't let them? Evaluate pl0x


Also, they probably have computers at home, I mean, If I knew all the secrets of a game I would love love LOVE to see people guess, but that is just my demented nature

 

[SmashChu]

I know that compared to the casual crowd, we are insignificant. However, casuals are casuals and they won't care that much. It will sell just as well with the tournament style setup for online play. And I know that the Brawl probably hasn't taken any notice of us, which is why we should do something. I'm not saying that if anything does happen, it will be successful--I'm saying that we should at least try.

Casual care, trust me. They will care becuase piss them off and they won't buy the next game. They will care if it's tournamnet style becuase they get beat by a glitch they don't even know exist. Not really fair to them hmmm.

I feel like a broken record. There not much else to say.
1)Nintendo probobly knows all about tournament play
2)They won't care

Have you seen the Mother crowd. They are clamoring for Mother 3 in the US. Chances are good Nintendo will be able to sell the game as so many people want it. But, still, Nintendo doesn't translate it. So, do you thinka petition will help.

It may sound mean andf one sides, but that how it is. Complain to Nintendo all you want, but in the end, you don't make a large enough portion to even deserve a passing glance. Again, less then 2%. You are the miniority of the minority and if they bend to you then the other 98% is pissed off.

 

[ToXn]

Like i said Nintendo is ignorant. they think it is still the SENS era, where they can do anything they want and it will fly.

 

[Sundown]

online wont make or break brawl, stop saying that nonsense...

Actually, online is the least important aspect of brawl, competitive play will still be done offline, recognition will still only be gained offline, money will still only be gained offline.

Online wil be a cool, fun mode, and thats it. Some of u guys are acting as if online brawl will be all that and whatnot... just a heads up, if u guys want to be "competitive smashers", if u want to go pro, or if u want to get recognized in the tournament scene, u will still have to go play in tournaments so... whats the big deal?

Im not saying online brawl wont be cool and all, and ill definetly play it too, but some of u guys are sounding so obsessed about it that im afraid ure getting ur hopes up way too high. Some people have even said "wow, at last i wont have to drive to tournaments nemore, now i can play online", well guys thats not true, online isnt a replacement for tournament play, and if u want recognition ull still have to do those drives :O.

 

[greenblob]

I was saying that the casual players won't care, not that Sora doesn't care about casual players. All they want to see is Mario beat up Link--they don't care whether it's badly designed and balanced, or whether the online mode uses items. I brought my GC and Smash to school (it was finals and no one has a test every period) and I made them play tournament style (in fact, I only brought two controllers). I don't think anyone knows about the competitive scene at my school, and yet aside from one or two grumbles, no one cared and everyone wanted to play.

And you're probably right in saying that Nintendo could care less about us from a financial stand point, but if all they cared about was profit, the game would be out by now--all they need is a crapload of characters, items, and stages, and then polish that off with good graphics, good music, and flashy effects. OK, so they still probably don't give a ****, but still, I think it's worth a shot.
I mean, a significant portion of the discussion in this forum has been "I wonder whether Sakurai/Nintendo reads this" or "hopefully they'll read this rather than look at the crap the Nsider noobs are saying." And since setup is probably the second most important thing for online play (first being lag), if we're going to send something, this should be included.

 

[Mr.GAW]

If Sakurai wants to make a loobbyish place to choose your matches, he will. If he doesn't, he won't. It's as simple as that.

Either way you'll get your 1v1's with no items if you want it- you just might have to use friend codes.

SmashChu is right, there really isn't much more to discuss.

And I still say you're ignorant if you think Sakurai will make everyone play FFAs with items.