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[#HBC | J]

So we have a cleared Bardull. I'm okay with this.

His reads are super unappetizing though.

 

[BarDulL]

I didn't WANT to claim, but if I hadn't, the reality that the HBC would keep on going was too plausible, especially while I wasn't here.

Results come in the form of mafia/not mafia.

WRT PR'ing better: I definitely should have just stayed neutral throughout the game, but I wanted to experiment with a bold crumb early on.

 

[BarDulL]

like that crumb is obviously real, but it's also so blatantly a PR tell to begin with that it doesn't make sense to do it unless you were either trying to draw the NK (which of course the town cop shouldn't be doing) or elaborately faking it as scum so that you would have an ace for exactly this moment.

If it's so obviously real, then why would ANYONE have voted for me and pushed for my slot? Come on now.

 

[BarDulL]

 

[BarDulL]

Vote: Pawn

 

[#HBC | J]

It's obvious after mentioning you are a PR. I mean, you were playing PR or Scum which is why I was not on the wagon. It was very translucent. Plus your reads seem to be more about who disliked you/pushed (NH), who disliked your claim (Pawn), and for no apparant reason (Me).

Meh. Mixed feeling suck.

 

[BarDulL]

I'll let you off the hook if you tell me why you pre-emptively defended NH before I made a full-on assertion that he was scum.

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

It's obvious after mentioning you are a PR. I mean, you were playing PR or Scum which is why I was not on the wagon. It was very translucent. Plus your reads seem to be more about who disliked you/pushed (NH), who disliked your claim (Pawn), and for no apparant reason (Me).

Meh. Mixed feeling suck.

What did you think his first post was about, if not hinting at being a PR?

 

[#HBC | J]

I didn't defend him. I merely pointed out your flawed logic. Marshy is one of the few people I won't defend. He's a big boy and can handle himself.

 

[#HBC | J]

What did you think his first post was about, if not hinting at being a PR?

Idk, I am bad at riddles but it was obviously a PR tell for insipid reasons. However, a null one at that, not something to clear someone off the bat from.

 

[BarDulL]

Note to self: J likes to intervene with the interactions of other slots when completely unnecessary.

Anyway, why do you feel that NH's meta here doesn't fit Deadpool Mafia?

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

Idk, I am bad at riddles but it was obviously a PR tell for insipid reasons. However, a null one at that, not something to clear someone off the bat from.

But then when he revealed it it cleared him?

What was obvious when he mentioned he was a PR? That he was town, or what the crumb was? I'm confused as to what you're getting at, your point is lost and your phrasing is awkward.

 

[#HBC | J]

Note to self: J likes to intervene with the interactions of other slots when completely unnecessary.

Anyway, why do you feel that NH's meta here doesn't fit Deadpool Mafia?

Note to self: Bardull is lame and doesn't get what I'm saying.

Because it doesn't...? You can't just pick a random scum-game (and a toxic game like that one) as "proof" as to why ther are scum. You didn't even try to relate it to his play this game or show how it was like Deadpool.

 

[BarDulL]

It's literally to a T. My lynch happened in the exact same fashion in the exact same mannerisms. I come off as arrogant or overbearing as Town, and then marshy rides on the emotions of other slots to hardbody me. I've seen him do this as scum a lot more often than I see him do it as Town.

As for Pawn, I'll have a case up by tomorrow. But me not responding to Gorf with a "long and eloquent" post isn't some kind of scum tell. He's also asking me for flavor, which I have no clue how that is imperative to his scum hunting capacity.

 

[BarDulL]

disclaimer: I've never seen marshy do it as Town in this kind of fashion.

 

[#HBC | J]

But then when he revealed it it cleared him?

What was obvious when he mentioned he was a PR? That he was town, or what the crumb was? I'm confused as to what you're getting at, your point is lost and your phrasing is awkward.

I was reading PR or Scum with Bardull.
He claimed PR (town Cop at that)
No one has CC'd him yet.
It was obvious that he is more than likely telling the truth.

Clearer?

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

Oh I see you were answering Circus's question for him!

 

[#HBC | J]

It's literally to a T. My lynch happened in the exact same fashion in the exact same mannerisms. I come off as arrogant or overbearing as Town, and then marshy rides on the emotions of other slots to hardbody me. I've seen him do this as scum a lot more often than I see him do it as Town.

As for Pawn, I'll have a case up by tomorrow. But me not responding to Gorf with a "long and eloquent" post isn't some kind of scum tell. He's also asking me for flavor, which I have no clue how that is imperative to his scum hunting capacity.

Quit trying to make me defend him by trying to say your logic is sound because that what it is coming down to. His play isn't like Scott Pilgrim plus you cannot just say he "rode the emotions". What about Gorf who made a case about you? Plus you say you were scared of hardbody'ing but you weren't even close to being lynched.

Flavour is to have a full-claim since you already half-claimed.

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh I see you were answering Circus's question for him!

Now you make no sense.

 

[Kantrip]

like that crumb is obviously real, but it's also so blatantly a PR tell to begin with that it doesn't make sense to do it unless you were either trying to draw the NK (which of course the town cop shouldn't be doing) or elaborately faking it as scum so that you would have an ace for exactly this moment.

If it's so obviously real, then why would ANYONE have voted for me and pushed for my slot? Come on now.

It's obvious after mentioning you are a PR. I mean, you were playing PR or Scum which is why I was not on the wagon. It was very translucent. Plus your reads seem to be more about who disliked you/pushed (NH), who disliked your claim (Pawn), and for no apparant reason (Me).

Meh. Mixed feeling suck.

You answered for Circus

 

[#HBC | J]

I didn't read Bardull's response as rhetoric. Plus Bardull didn't even answer his question but gave an open-ended question like "How could ANYONE blahblahblah" that's not an answer but a tip-toe around answering. To be even more clear, Circus' post wasn't even a question.

If it was, how dare he forget the sacred question mark.

 

[BarDulL]

Looks more like you're intervening in dialogue again. Sorry man.

Quit trying to make me defend him by trying to say your logic is sound because that what it is coming down to. His play isn't like Scott Pilgrim plus you cannot just say he "rode the emotions". What about Gorf who made a case about you? Plus you say you were scared of hardbody'ing but you weren't even close to being lynched.

Flavour is to have a full-claim since you already half-claimed.

His play actually is like Scott Pilgrim. The only reason why he ended up backing off at the end is because I had a gun.

Gorf made a case on me, but I'm like 99% positive Gorf's case isn't what spurred NH to vote for me.

 

[BarDulL]

I was definitely close to being lynched considering Joey and DSH were willing to side with Gorf for my lynch.

 

[BarDulL]

Not DSH, Frito*.

 

[Circus]

Just to make this as clear as possible

If it's so obviously real, then why would ANYONE have voted for me and pushed for my slot? Come on now.

I said the CRUMB was obviously real. Not that what you're claiming to be is obviously true. It is obvious that the post in which you claim to have crumbed cop does indeed contain crumbs, and is not just a post you're retrofitting into a crumb out of desperation. But that doesn't prove your claim to be true in any way yet. Again, there is no reason to OVERTLY draw attention to a crumb unless a) you are a VT/bomb/some other town role that is intentionally trying to draw the NK, or b) you are scum trying to loudly imply a PR in order to deter wagons on you. Calling attention to a genuine PR crumb defeats THE ENTIRE ****ING POINT OF CRUMBING. Everyone else knew that, which is why plenty of people felt comfortable voting you, and why you still aren't clear now (it truly troubles me that J used the "c" word in reference to you). I'm not gonna sit here and let you claim roleblocked for three Days.

It is telling that your suspicion of No Hetero is not really based on his play, but the specific manner in which he has interacted with you. No "this is scummy" or "that raises a red flag;" just "he's done this to ME before and he was scum THEN."

It is also telling that you've handwaved your back-and-forth with Gorf as nothing but a discussion catalyst, despite the fact that he has pretty much been your sole focus so far toDay, in order to...

As for Pawn, I'll have a case up by tomorrow.

body Pawn? The guy with half a dozen posts? You're going to have a case on him tomorrow? Really? Can't wait to see this.

Not to mention the main beef you seem to have with J right now, is copy/paste what your argument against Gorf was before. "He intervened in a discussion and that's scummy!" If J is scummy for this, then why isn't Gorf? If Gorf is still scummy for this, then why do you no longer list him as one of your top 3 scum suspects?

See, a townie would have just admitted to changing their mind about Gorf and show interest in looking elsewhere. But you don't go for that. You dismiss the Gorf suspicion completely, like you never even meant any of it, and are now so scared of looking directionless that you feel like you need to present a case on Pawn, a null slot, while recycling your previous argument against Gorf with J and hoping it sticks this time. It's an overcorrection and it's really obvious.

Like, obviously an un-CC'd cop claim requires some consideration, but you're just so full of hot air I feel like I could pop you with a pin.

 

[Circus]

It is telling that your suspicion of No Hetero is not really based on his play, but the specific manner in which he has interacted with you. No "this is scummy" or "that raises a red flag;" just "he's done this to ME before and he was scum THEN."

To elaborate on why this matters, this is specifically telling because the subject of your focus remains you, not No Hetero. Rather than explain why what No Hetero has done is indicative of scum alignment, for meta reasons or otherwise, you just go far enough to say that what he's doing to YOU is wrong and shouldn't be followed, and then leaping to "therefore scum" after the fact. I get the feeling that if he were acting exactly this way but with someone else in his #HBCrosshairs, it would not ping on your radar like this.

 

[BarDulL]

Circus, do you think I'm scum?

 

[BarDulL]

This game is too toxic for me honestly, I'm replacing out. I have college to work on, a physique to work on, and other various things, and I can't be bothered to take the time to offer you guys long responses in such a toxic setting. Tonality is a ***** when I'm being misinterpreted and misrepresented A LOT this game. I strongly prefer playing in-person or playing on Skype for this very reason. It's also one of the reasons why I quit for so long.

For the record and completely not game-related: I don't dislike any one of you guys. I really don't. I think you're all great dudes. But in-game, on a forum setting, I feel like I inadvertently impede on social hierarchies when I push for certain slots as Town, and I end up rustling serious levels of jimmies. In turn, people start calling me out and trying to play semantics with my slot and form these coalitions based on some pre-existing interpersonal relationships and stop actually looking for scum and focus solely on me. It is literally not fun at all. It sucks. I'm not going to pretend that this kinda thing doesn't affect me because it affects everyone in the social spectrum to some degree or another. But I'm tired of it, guys. I just can't play forum mafia anymore when the same **** just keeps on happening over and over and over and over when I actually try to play. I'm not interested in getting in these heated debates for literally the most trivial of reasons and getting tons of people mad at me when that's not what I'm trying to accomplish here. Forum mafia just isn't for me.

Hopefully I'll see you guys at some smash event in the near future, or we can try Skype mafia, but I'm done with forum mafia.

/Replace Out

@ Shun Goku Satsu Rake Sorry bro, I think you're a cool dude and I don't like replacing out of games, but I just have to this time.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Soup replaces Bardull.

Everyone give him a warm Canadian welcome.

In lieu of the replacement, I will be extending the deadline to Sunday, March 22nd, 12:00 midnight central time.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

hi everyone i've been keeping tabs on this game and ill have a more decent post up in a couple of minutes, just a quick bullet point of the summary of my thoughts as of right now with an in-depth reading

• kantrip's town-read on joey is not provoked and i believe that they aren't aligned, joey had no reason to flop on kantrip like that and if we're talking about for all purposes and intent i am town-reading kantrip at the moment
• pawndidater's vote on my slot is terrible and holds no basis other to join a common wagon, and perhaps this wouldn't be such a problem had he not tried to justify his vote trying to pretend he's doing nothing but wagoning in the first place
• circus' approach is most different and more relaxed this game, which gives me good vibes
• i am wary of BP's posturing, but that might be part of the gimmick
• j is a butthead

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Raziek Your interaction with BP (#84-88) interests me. I don't see how Pawn is an RVS vote and why the RVS vote even mattered if you're going to just change it instantly to someone else. I know RVS votes aren't always concrete but really, what did you even get out of agreeing with No Hetero's assumption, just to change it to someone else?

@No Hetero Sorry to butt in but you're in this too. Is pawn Scum or Dumb? Both of you have had problems with this slot before and misreading his anti-town actions (myself included). I am wary of just instantly damning him without a proper explanation, but his vote on my slot right now is the worst I can get.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@ Kreative Whiz Kids

You need to slow down on the creativity, friend. You're all over the place. I like the gimmick you have but you're getting overexcited and it's really hard to read. For example, your #104 is reaching really hard on Fandango here, like really hard. So hard even No Hetero is jealous.

"He's answering Gorf's questions, and doing so makes him ask Bardull a question that he should have asked when he first saw Bardull's post if he actually cared! Fanny isn't being very creative! It was Gorf's questioning that spurred Fanny to take action, not an interest in finding scum!"

But, this is kind of why I'm townreading you. This read is so out of left-field that I can't help but feel you're being genuine and you actually believe what you're saying. Give something more solild on Fandango instead of just instantly reaching conclusions on someone who hasn't even revealed their thought process. You're damning Fandago for not scum-hunting within like, the third page of the game. I think if he continues to stall and play the game merely based off questions going nowhere, then I'll consider him, but right now he is justifiably null.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@-Masquerain- Do you agree with my assumption of KWK as of right now or do you still hold to it that he's scum? For me, I feel like Kantrip would want to keep his play under wraps instead of making hasty decisions and actions, him being all over the place for me reads like a Town Kantrip trying to get his footing.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm not Bardull. Don't treat me like bardull. Don't ask me any questions about Bardull's play because I'm not him. I understand there are going to be some people shaking their fists at me angrily at what Bardull is done, but I'm a completely different slot and person. I'm not going to even talk about what Bardull has done, because it honestly doesn't concern me; his crumb was stupid.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

So, am I the only one not instantly wowed by Bwolf's efforts so far? I understand there's a weight on him that he isn't the best player but his whole wall just seems incredibly hollow and a lot feels like Bwolf is trying to crunch and condense everything being said as a means of being town-read, without a purpose to any of it.

I don't think he's today best of course of action though, but I would like more opinions on him.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Alright so here's my problem with this game:

im gonna get lynched because bardull screwed up

I have too many town-reads, and I feel like a lot of this game so far has been pretty useless. There's a lot of direction going each way and just recently have people started to agree on my slot, but otherwise, there's a lot of people who haven't really said anything or done anything, and this is honestly where I would prefer to look instead. I'd like to hear more from Fandago, and I'd like to hear more from Pawn. I feel like everyone is jumping the gun again and getting super excited and we're going down this awful, awful #HBC must lynch train that has damned D1 for a very long time.

Let's sit and think, have tea, talk it out. Put the pitchforks down and hug it out.

peace and love xoxo

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@J

The wordscometh out the mouth by thine action is nay to be seen. Ye talketh so much yet thine has to be convinced of something that thou already seems convinced! I feel thy walls are tiresome to look at when thee says oh so much that can be said with oh so little. Give thy a reads-list?

turns out im not a philosopher, sorry guys ;-;

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Town
KWK
Circus
Gorf
Joey
FandangoX
Raziek
No Hetero
Frito
J
Badwolf
Pawndidater2
Scum

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

and BP null too. I think in my head I like what J is saying but I know better than to just look at a wall and go 'wow he sure is talking a lot must be town' so J is more of a lean along with Badwolf until they say a bit more.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

Methinks the Bardull doth protest too much.


Soup, do ye find any similarities between Pawn's behavior hence and upon the fair boat Tranquility?