The thing that is is missing here is "Why is posturing scummy?". I am not going to deny I am posturing because I am. I am trying to make myself easier to read for people and now that it is D2, I, as a player, can finally begin to do more work. I am also trying to posture myself into a position of discussion so that more information may come about and also to come into a position of power to drive a lynch if I so choose. If you do not want me in the position I am, you need to show where my logic is faulty and where I am being "bad" in my posturing.
I'm worried you were posturing in thread for the wrong reasons. It's true posturing alone isn't scummy, but I feel like when you come into today bemoaning the events of YesterDay and then breaking out some reads that felt more like FUD than reads I'm not comfortable with it. Your response has gone a long way in explaining some of it, but now I'm going to go through my half of things because there are still some points to be addressed. (never let anyone say Dietzy leaves business unfinished)
Ditzy, I have not even been playing the victim at all.
I hope this was done ironically, because this is exactly the kind of subtle "J is weak and innocent" vibe from you that needs to stop intentional or not. I don't even know if you know you're doing this, but you're painting a picture of yourself as someone who shouldn't be pressed or held accountable and that bothers me.
I have nothing to victimize myself about because I have been a background player until now I hadn't done much of anything. I have not defended Fanny and I believe I have not even brought up his name this day-phase.
Incorrect, he's the subject of your third post toDay along with Raz. What irks me is the fact that this is the very same post that first made me pressure Fandangox (as in I thought it was bad), so if you thought it was good then where were you YesterDay and why bring it up now without giving reasoning on why it was defensible?
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This is actually a good post. Making me scratch my head as to why this was shot down so fast by BP and KWK. Especially consdering this was Raz' response.
Re-reading this game makes me not like Raz-chan at all.
Haha, I even found my clue post for re-read me. Seems I was feeling it in the beginning but never enough to move forward. Wasn't it Raz who started the Pawn wagon? Need to re-confirm how he did as such.
Then we move onto my "half-***" reads on Wolfy and Joey, yet that's because I have not begun to expound because during the time of those posts I was doing a re-read which I stated. Plus on Wolfy, there was no need to explaiin that read since it was a town-read and no one is pushing him. If there was a case on Wolfy or a push to lynch him, my read would have had more detail in it. Joey on the other hand is a questionable scum-lean. Not a full-hard scum-read. I do not have enough to push him because he hasn't even posted toDay yet. For Joey, I need more from him and I am going to be watching him. Also, I did not even act in a manner where I would say the word "gall" in turns to talking to Raz. I was prodding him for responses as to what he gained from asking for a town-read. In the end, he asked a better question which I responded in full detail as to why I am reading Wolfy.
You did not state you were still currently re-reading, only that you had re-read, but fair enough on not expounding if that was the case. I will expect some eventual expounding on it, especially now that I see Joey has some more content further into ToDay. What was it in D1 that made you doubt Joey enough to say it at that point?
I think there was good reason to be responding to Raz there even though it was a town-read that wasn't being pushed. He stated to you that his motivation for doing so was to get a better read on you, and as a slot that you were expressing lots of intent to read yourself I'd expect it to be easier to play-ball, but I'll get more into that later.
Then you say I am pushing No Hetero? That isn't even true. I have been saying I have nothing to push No Hetero on because he has a way out to any push I were to commence at this point. That should read as I am rendering the slot as null. Circus is more of a town-lean and I will buddy him, but do not try to compare the two as if they are the same slots. Their play, respectively, is different.
I honestly took it as you bemoaning that fact and voicing subtle dislike for the slot because of the Bardull result. Blindfold johns.
You say that I "should not" have had Soup as clear, but I did through my thought process and gaining my own independent read, I even stated I had Bardull's slot as scum or PR and that was what I was expecting. I am sorry I did not show your venehmonsity towards wanting that slot dead but I am not sorry for saying he was clear because at the end of the day, my logic was correct and sound. He flipped town PR, not scum. Therefore picking a problem with what I said is moot unless you have better reasoning to dislike what I said.
I'm going to stand by this one, if you were expecting "Scum or PR" as we all were after that crumb post then there wasn't anything concrete to say "PR" from simply because the crumb was of course created as a crumb regardless of alignment. Unless you were saying you read Bardull as solidly Town beforehand you're justifying the logic on the outcome alone. You accepted "OK he's clear" much too fast otherwise.
You are using the wrong words to describe what you want to say. I am not victimizing myself or anything in those posts. I am expressing my discontent for what happened. I haven't been sitting and crying about it. Pawn died, big whoop. I didn't have a town-read on him and he was a null, but his lynch was un-interesting because we got very little based on it. I wasn't here at the time of the pawn lynch so I couldn't have even said I had a better idea. I will say the Pawn lynch was a bad one, because it was.
Think about it this way, if we had lynched Soup instead of Pawn we would have found out that Soup was a cop earlier and been able to do a re-read during the night, plus Mafia would have had to choose someone else to NK, which in turn, creates more connections for us to delve into. Pawn lynch is just our one "inactive" lynch and it's just lucky for us he wasn't a PR because we would have lost 2 PRs back to back. Also who is to say Soup would have even gotten an action off last Night? He more then likely was RB'd to hell if mafia had choose to not NK'd him.
If I was playing the victim, I wouldn't be doing what I am doing at this juncture and trying to find other things to talk about besides the negativity that D1's impact had on the game for town. I am trying to find more things to garner since D1 didn't have much to gain besides "welp inactive and our cop who had claimed is dead."
That's what I don't get, why you're not happy with the Pawn lynch when you read Soup/Bardull as being town cop and/or thought his lynch would have been better(?). You can't have your cake and eat it too unless you're saying you'd have literally rather had no lynch, because you weren't voting Soup. That's why I say I feel like you're playing this up, it's like you're saying we all screwed up without being accountable yourself.
Did you read the post, clearly? I explained why I was saying he had to give me a reason to wanting my town-read. I didn't even give a "**** you" response but asked him to expand on it. I even asked if he found Wolfy to be scummy, which he hasn't even said anything to yet as to if he does or not. So far, he has a "null" read on Wolfy because I cannot read his mind as to what he is truly thinking about him. I wanted to know if he had a scum-read on Wolfy which would turn on the defensive button in me to go more into the read. However, he did not so, for a null or even a "town" read on the slot, I saw no reason to extrapolate.
I fail to see why you forget to mention Circus had a similar post on the same page regarding Raz' push for wanting a town-read of mine.
He actually said he does not find him scummy in #528. I guess I can get the merit in trying to weasel more out of him to help your own reads, but saying "check me on this" and then being reluctant once actually checked felt weird. And like I said, he asked trying to get reads, so as a slot who you were trying to read I'd see little reason not to be more forthcoming about something you yourself brought up in the first place. What about him asking why it was your strongest read instead changed the equation?
(Circus is a third party, he wanted no explanation simply for thread density reasons, and while I didn't agree he wasn't the one who brought it up so I didn't ask him "huh, why not?")
The "Why?" is there. Circus has a scum-lean on Frito. Not a town-lean. That is the "Why?". Raz was asking for a town-read while I was asking for a scum-read on a slot I do not have much on besides a discontent for his case on the said slot (Circus). Therefore, the reasoning for asking Circus does not even pertain to the logic regarding Raz.
Fair enough.
Then you ask this:
Which doesn't make sense because why are you asking a question on a post where I am trying to help Raz as a player? You have to go more into this if you want a more valid response because I do not know what you are wanting from this.
I did
not discredit his slot. Stop posting things you clearly have no true understanding of or not even having a simple amount of knowledge as to what my posts are saying. I said Razzy can be town based on his emotions. I was not mud-slinging his slot, nor calling for his lynch. You say it was "clearly present" but that isn't even the case. By asking him for questions, I was gaining a read on a slot I had trouble reading and have had trouble reading. I didn't even say he was "emotional" I said "His emotions" which are two different descriptions. I am known to read players based off their emotions and present logic to it. This is my way of reading. You say I was "****ting" on the slot, but that isn't even true. In fact, you need to ask @
Raziek if he got "riled up" or felt "****ted on" by my responses to him before you assume things that have not been correct with your track record regarding what I have been doing.
That's not a question, that's me demonstrating the switch in treatment of the slot. You can't treat someone like a dog and then write them off because they had emotions. If you don't think that whole post was anything other than a veiled put-down you need to re-evaulate it, because I wasn't even the target of it and I had a twinge when I read it. If that's how you got a read, fine: but the potential for scum intent on put downs to discredit slots down the road is there and needed to be addressed.
I don't have to ask Raziek. He definitely already told us he felt that way:
Ugh. I'm not in the mindset to deal with this at the moment. I made that explicitly clear because I have recently grown very tired of being mis-interpreted or deliberately misconstrued by scum, so I go out of my way to spell out my exact thought process when I feel it is necessary.
I'm ACTUALLY going to bed now, but telling someone "You're playing poorly" or "You're asking the wrong questions" is not really how you get them to play better. If I'm asking the wrong questions, then lead me to the right ones.
/out.
Now... that all said, if you answer those clarifying questions I think we'll be good and clear, but I swear to Gorf if you ever **** on someone like that again for asking about a stance you openly posed to thread to check you on, or keep making pity party posts like these
Whoever is the doc, made a terrible call. Well, toDay is not totally fruitless in information. I am so glad D1 is short, I can get a re-read tonight have thoughts, but sad our cop/replacement is dead so soon.
(Switched from Toko to Chihiro, she is truly who I have been feeling this game)
forsooth I will slap a *****, because it doesn't help anyone and bugs the crap out of me.
