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[Circus]

So does your scum-read on the slot dissipate a bit now that Bardull has flipped town?

Not really. The slot certainly hasn't done anything to warrant a townlean. Like I said, there were several posts from D1 that were either fluff or lazy attempts at content. I expect much better than that from both heads as town, especially Rajam but Ruy as well.

 

[Circus]

You are way too buddy-able for me. I know you hate being buddied, but just let it happen.

 

[#HBC | J]

I don't think I agree with the bolded at all. He was GOING to be lynched, had I not swung it away from him.

I'd just like a general explanation. Maybe an examination of what you liked about his large post of content that he made mid-way through the day. I like to build reads by comparing thought processes and seeing if something doesn't line up with how I view it.

I'm asking you for your read because I want to compare it to mine.

I highly doubt the first line and I do not think you can fairly say what you are saying as well. I mean anyone could have honestly come in with Pawn's name or any semi-inactive's name and had them be the lynch yesterDay.

Again, specify what you want. I am not going to go into a town-read unless you back-up why besides "I wanna see if you see what I see." because if it ends in "We both agree" or "we both disagree" it'll be not telling if we are both town-reading the slot. So do you find Wolfy scummy?

 

[#HBC | J]

I like the gif but I get the sub-text, Circus. *siiiigh*

 

[Fandangox]

I want to ask something of people here.

Gorf's play pertaining to Bardull, and especially his vote, looks EXACTLY to me like the logic he used to sit on me on F&L2 Day 2.

He as scum threw out some logic that while correct, is not something that could be defended against. In F&L2 it was incaps, here it was holding Soup accountable for Bardull's actions, despite the fact that Bardull's play was challenged.

@marshy / @ No Hetero , @ Fandangox , do either of you share this opinion?

I don't think so. I mean even thought he was scum that game, that doens't really make his logic baseless, just the motivation behind his agenda. It was incaps so I don't think we can make a clear compairson anyway. He was holding Soup "accountable" cause there's nothing Soup could have done to make the actions Bardul did meaningless.

Basically what I am saying is that Bardull's play was so significant that there was no way the replacement would not be affected by it. Which is what I think Gorf was trying to argue with him.

I am gonna re-read Frito's wall on Circus D1 cause it seemed baseless to me.

 

[Circus]

I like the gif but I get the sub-text, Circus. *siiiigh*

I just gotta be careful with who I give my heart to, J. It's fragile; it's seen a lotta ****. The kindest hands are the ones that get close enough to stab you in the back.

 

[#HBC | J]

Fanny, thanks for liking my post and alerting me. There was something I had forgotten on that page.

Frito's case on Circus. Incredibly reachy and not telling of Circus' alignment. Let's talk about this: What do people think about Frito's push on Circus that haven't commented on it more? Is it scummy misdirection or is it more dummy towny?

@-Masquerain- @ No Hetero @ BP (I can't tag them) @BadWolf28738

 

[Raziek]

I highly doubt the first line and I do not think you can fairly say what you are saying as well. I mean anyone could have honestly come in with Pawn's name or any semi-inactive's name and had them be the lynch yesterDay.

I think you need to re-read Page 11 and 12 if you don't agree with the first line.

And yes, anyone could have come in and done that, but I wasn't specifically trying to claim credit for that, I'm just pointing out what I perceive to be a flaw in your reasoning:

You said Bardull/Soup was being town-read by almost everyone.
I say I don't think that's true, given the number of votes on him and the general sentiment of the thread just prior to page 11.

The point of me pointing this out is that you seem to be trying to undermine the town-read that I had on him prior to pushing away from that wagon. You seem to be saying "Well, everyone was town-reading him" and "Anyone could have done that", when this is following a post from Circus explaining that he's town-leaning on me specifically BECAUSE I chose to go out of my way to do that. (Though I am aware he notes this could simply be prepared scum)

I'll try not to hang on this point any longer, but I'm trying to help you understand where I'm coming from, because our playstyles clearly don't mesh as well as you'd like them to.

Again, specify what you want. I am not going to go into a town-read unless you back-up why besides "I wanna see if you see what I see." because if it ends in "We both agree" or "we both disagree" it'll be not telling if we are both town-reading the slot. So do you find Wolfy scummy?

This is the part where Feenie says "It's not actually important, and doesn't need to be added to the testimony."

I don't find him scummy, but I'm confused as to why you offered to be prodded about that, and then promptly deflected ACTUALLY being prodded about it.

I'm off to bed for the night.

 

[#HBC | J]

I just gotta be careful with who I give my heart to, J. It's fragile; it's seen a lotta ****. The kindest hands are the ones that get close enough to stab you in the back.

You've stabbed my heart more then I've stabbed yours. But I understand the reasoning.

 

[Raziek]

This is the part where Feenie says "It's not actually important, and doesn't need to be added to the testimony."

I don't find him scummy, but I'm confused as to why you offered to be prodded about that, and then promptly deflected ACTUALLY being prodded about it.

I'm off to bed for the night.

Actually, I take this back, after re-reading your post where you offered it.

I have a more directly pointed question for you to answer: Why is he your strongest town read?

 

[#HBC | J]

Raz, you are missing a lot of the points I mean and not reading deeply enough. Look for subtext/what I hope to accomplish and mainly ask "What do you hope to accomplish?" To clairfy: the hypocrisy in your "Pheenie" statement can go to your first mini-wall on your reasoning for Bardull/Soup. None of that was truly needed.

Whatever, Razzy can be town for now. I honestly am having a hard time grasping him as scum with his emotions.

 

[Raziek]

Ugh. I'm not in the mindset to deal with this at the moment. I made that explicitly clear because I have recently grown very tired of being mis-interpreted or deliberately misconstrued by scum, so I go out of my way to spell out my exact thought process when I feel it is necessary.

I'm ACTUALLY going to bed now, but telling someone "You're playing poorly" or "You're asking the wrong questions" is not really how you get them to play better. If I'm asking the wrong questions, then lead me to the right ones.

/out.

 

[#HBC | J]

Actually, I take this back, after re-reading your post where you offered it.

I have a more directly pointed question for you to answer: Why is he your strongest town read?

Oooooh, I actually like this question. People who don't care for town-read explanations can skip over it, but I'll divulge a bit more:

[collapse=BW read]His posts are honest and what I know of the person behind the keyboard. His thoughts have a clear precise way about them and do not hold scum-intent. The only thing he is lacking is the intiative to truly push his own reads but BW is a bit of a newer player so I doubt he will because he gets beaten down by players unfairly. I would also like to note that in his catch-up posts he goes into detail as to why he likes things. He is also calm this game (ignore his post outburts towards SWF eating his posts) which means I feel he isn't rigid while playing. Badwolf as scum is easy to read (which is why he is lynched quickly as scum) the fact he has survived this far without any pressure or anyone wanting him dead should be indication enough that he is town (in my eyes). So compared to the rest of the cast which can become harder to read, I like him the most. More meta-reliant, but that is what happens when you play with someone who you went to high school with and introduced to mafia and forum mafia. I know BW the best and I will say that with confidence.[/collapse]

 

[#HBC | J]

Ugh. I'm not in the mindset to deal with this at the moment. I made that explicitly clear because I have recently grown very tired of being mis-interpreted or deliberately misconstrued by scum, so I go out of my way to spell out my exact thought process when I feel it is necessary.

I'm ACTUALLY going to bed now, but telling someone "You're playing poorly" or "You're asking the wrong questions" is not really how you get them to play better. If I'm asking the wrong questions, then lead me to the right ones.

/out.

I'm trying and also telling you what questions to ask....I'm going to chalk it up to tiredness though. I haven't said you are playing poorly but I guess the subtext was there. Also I wouldn't know how things have happened towards you, I believe we haven't played in a year or so, mono y mono. I guess for you: "Less is more."

 

[Fandangox]

Fanny, thanks for liking my post and alerting me. There was something I had forgotten on that page.

Frito's case on Circus. Incredibly reachy and not telling of Circus' alignment. Let's talk about this: What do people think about Frito's push on Circus that haven't commented on it more? Is it scummy misdirection or is it more dummy towny?

@-Masquerain- @ No Hetero @ BP (I can't tag them) @BadWolf28738

These are the reasons why he voted him:

Tl;DR

1. Circus did give more stances than I remembered, but they are so safe and when he does take a more solid stance he does not try to do anything with it other than his image.

2. He is not trying to expand in any meaningful way unless town pushes that way.

3. His interaction with Bardull is gross, he clearly has a stance on him but doesn't do anything with it. And even then he doesn't try to wait for a reponse to form an opinion, he asked questions with no purpose.

Circus is scum.

Basically it amounts to him Voting Circus Cause Circus didn't vote Bardull when he was arguing with him.

Out of his wall I found this to be the most relevant post:

I said the CRUMB was obviously real. Not that what you're claiming to be is obviously true. It is obvious that the post in which you claim to have crumbed cop does indeed contain crumbs, and is not just a post you're retrofitting into a crumb out of desperation. But that doesn't prove your claim to be true in any way yet. Again, there is no reason to OVERTLY draw attention to a crumb unless a) you are a VT/bomb/some other town role that is intentionally trying to draw the NK, or b) you are scum trying to loudly imply a PR in order to deter wagons on you. Calling attention to a genuine PR crumb defeats THE ENTIRE ****ING POINT OF CRUMBING. Everyone else knew that, which is why plenty of people felt comfortable voting you, and why you still aren't clear now (it truly troubles me that J used the "c" word in reference to you). I'm not gonna sit here and let you claim roleblocked for three Days.

It is telling that your suspicion of No Hetero is not really based on his play, but the specific manner in which he has interacted with you. No "this is scummy" or "that raises a red flag;" just "he's done this to ME before and he was scum THEN."

It is also telling that you've handwaved your back-and-forth with Gorf as nothing but a discussion catalyst, despite the fact that he has pretty much been your sole focus so far toDay, in order to...

body Pawn? The guy with half a dozen posts? You're going to have a case on him tomorrow? Really? Can't wait to see this.

Not to mention the main beef you seem to have with J right now, is copy/paste what your argument against Gorf was before. "He intervened in a discussion and that's scummy!" If J is scummy for this, then why isn't Gorf? If Gorf is still scummy for this, then why do you no longer list him as one of your top 3 scum suspects?

See, a townie would have just admitted to changing their mind about Gorf and show interest in looking elsewhere. But you don't go for that. You dismiss the Gorf suspicion completely, like you never even meant any of it, and are now so scared of looking directionless that you feel like you need to present a case on Pawn, a null slot, while recycling your previous argument against Gorf with J and hoping it sticks this time. It's an overcorrection and it's really obvious.

Like, obviously an un-CC'd cop claim requires some consideration, but you're just so full of hot air I feel like I could pop you with a pin.

To which Frito writes:

This is full of nothing, he makes a long post describing why Bardull's claim is crap, then immediately takes a side stance right away instead of pressing this. This sidelining is gross he is waiting to see what others thing before he takes a solid stance instead of here which should have ended with a solid stance. Instead, he's trying to stay safe on the matter.

Like I can see why Friday Townie would think like this, Circus makes a long wall on why Bardul's play was bad, but doesn't vote him. I disagree thought in that he took a "side stance" he was obviously pressing Bardul with this and outlining why he disagreed. I don't think someone pressing/arguing against a slot but not voting him = scum obviously.

To answer your question about whether it is dumb town or scum misdirection, I am not entirely sure. He had a valid point in his second wall, but his #355 is mostly baffling. That wall is full of him quoting Circus's posts and not making much of a point. Like he even just says "nothing to see here" or similar in some of the posts quoted, why quote them at all then? It looks like a reach to me.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

vote raz

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gonna have to skim through D1 again probably, but my gut really doesn't like that No Hetero did that thing where he pushes hard on a wrong slot with no hesitation.

You see that too? With Soup's flip, they deserve more prodding. Something feels different this game though about their push onto Bardull.

Circus, can you talk to me about Joey/Raz?

What do you guys make of his stance when it came around the time soup replaced in and eyes starting looking elsewhere for a flip? He was adamantly against switching to pawn, which for a scum No Hetero doesn't really click, for either Nabe OR Marshy. I feel like they'd be up and at hardbodying pawn right out of here... But they were ambivalent.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Will need to look into Joey. Raz I'm feeling alright about Raz at the moment, because I just reread the part where he kicks off the wagon against Pawn and it comes off looking townier then scummy because it specifically diverts attention from the soup wagon. If Raz were scum, he could have lobbed his vote onto soup under deadline duress and it wouldn't have looked that bad, which would have sealed our Cop as the lynch, saving scum the trouble of killing them. Could be scum with forsight, but the easier answer is that Raz really was just town-reading soup.

But I mean from scumRaz' POV he's deflecting pressure from a player he KNOWS is legit, and redirecting that pressure onto a name that can be universally agreed upon, only to NK it because cop. Win win.

Him lynching cop would look atrocious, and if he's scum i bet he knew that in his position. On paper, lynching pawn doesn't look bad. That's a fact. But it IS being on a lynch.

Oh and also how can you sit here and say you like the slot when his early play is still there, unaltered? Literally nothing but dismissals of content and conversation, presenting his existence, and all of a sudden the Raz vanishing act.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@ #HBC | Gorf : We were talking about this earlier but the problem with not making marshy do more work is not having a paper trail and cues to his alignment when talking about his pushes. Yes, he pushed Bardull but not as harshly as you did. You have the case, he has the bravado. It's basically my way of saying (now that Bardull has flipped, and town at that) marshy has a way out. I don't like marshy having a way out. Trapping marshy is fun. So this is where I am not liking the fact you posted a "case" for him which is what it was regardless where you want to call it.

Not a case. But yes I know where you're coming from. I feel like the puzzle will fill itself out (I like his later play, for one) but had I thought about getting a No Hetero by not posting a case I'd have withheld it.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I want to ask something of people here.

Gorf's play pertaining to Bardull, and especially his vote, looks EXACTLY to me like the logic he used to sit on me on F&L2 Day 2.

He as scum threw out some logic that while correct, is not something that could be defended against. In F&L2 it was incaps, here it was holding Soup accountable for Bardull's actions, despite the fact that Bardull's play was challenged.

@marshy / @ No Hetero , @ Fandangox , do either of you share this opinion?

...Except it's not?

Look at F&L2 again Raz. I scum read you but couldn't say it in thread because I was scum. My argument was that by PoE Kantrip HAD to be town (which was true) so you were who I preferred dead. I was scum reading Bardull's slot when Soup replaced in and certainly NOT holding soup accountable for it. I didn't want soup to argue it. Hell, he couldn't, cuz it wasn't in his position to really. I was trying to lynch a scum read. Surely you've seen a game where someone replaced into a scum slot and got lynched cuz of their predecessors actions, no? It's was never soups responsibility to defend Bardull, cuz they were never in the game at the same time. Nice try though, I really commend the effort.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Fanny, thanks for liking my post and alerting me. There was something I had forgotten on that page.

Frito's case on Circus. Incredibly reachy and not telling of Circus' alignment. Let's talk about this: What do people think about Frito's push on Circus that haven't commented on it more? Is it scummy misdirection or is it more dummy towny?

@-Masquerain- @ No Hetero @ BP (I can't tag them) @BadWolf28738

I really wanna lynch the slot if @Rajam doesn't come in and redeem it. I don't think the case is particularly SCUMMY, but if that slot is THAT misguided I don't want it hanging around. C'mon mang 14 pages, watchu got for real for real?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@ No Hetero @Blindfolded Philosophers where my niqqas at?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Oh my god the censor the n word when you replace the g's with q's. How clever.

Ebwop:

Where my negroids at?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Gonna have to skim through D1 again probably, but my gut really doesn't like that No Hetero did that thing where he pushes hard on a wrong slot with no hesitation.

I'm considering this right now.

I don't remember off hand how much he posted about Soup's play nor what he posted on outside of Bardull. I'll reread him later but with Soup town I need to see what he did outside of that.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't want Joey to be scum. I really don't. But more and more of me wants to push that slot.

You see something that makes him more likely scum?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I want to ask something of people here.

Gorf's play pertaining to Bardull, and especially his vote, looks EXACTLY to me like the logic he used to sit on me on F&L2 Day 2.

He as scum threw out some logic that while correct, is not something that could be defended against. In F&L2 it was incaps, here it was holding Soup accountable for Bardull's actions, despite the fact that Bardull's play was challenged.

@marshy / @ No Hetero , @ Fandangox , do either of you share this opinion?

I'm considering both of them and how they pushed right now.

The issue is both follow, **** claims over raw play, so it's trying to distinguish if they were legit or not. With Gorf, I'm not really bothered with, I think he had a legit reason to be there.

Hetero is the one I am more worried about with trying to ride that wagon.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Early and mid-Day posts I found individually troubling from the slot. I could sit here and quote posts but I won't because I don't know yet if I want to push it toDay. Bardull rubbed me the wrong way too, as he did with many, and my statements against him and the way he played were all legitimate. But in addition to that, there were posts from Bardfull, particularly in the earlier part of the Day, that seemed to corroborate a suspicion I had that he and Frito could be scum together. I liked the Bardull wagon, and probably would have joined in order to get a lynch if I had been around for end of Day and the Pawn switch hadn't happened. But Frito was the one that I really wanted the whole time. I just didn't want him enough to bother fighting the momentum of a wagon that I also liked.

I think you're not considering the "why" here when you are looking at Rajam's early posts. He was trying to get out of RVS, I'm assuming this right now and it defiantly looks like it. Trying to get a reaction and something going, I would normally do the same to get the game started. Which lead to the Bardull vote.

I agreed here til he claimed Cop, wanted to talk to Rajam about this part but he didn't show up til after the flip. So I went with what I preferred after the cop claim and letting him live. I also didn't like the Soup wagon after the fact, felt to forced and less trustworthy. Only main person that sticks out as more trust on the wagon is Gorf, because I totally get where he was coming from and agree with him before the cop claim.

If you want me, come get me now, because right now you're completely non committal on this and I despise how you handled Bardull after he claimed.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You are way too buddy-able for me. I know you hate being buddied, but just let it happen.

why buddy him?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Not really. The slot certainly hasn't done anything to warrant a townlean. Like I said, there were several posts from D1 that were either fluff or lazy attempts at content. I expect much better than that from both heads as town, especially Rajam but Ruy as well.

Was busy, sue me.

Dunno about Rajam.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

These are the reasons why he voted him:



Basically it amounts to him Voting Circus Cause Circus didn't vote Bardull when he was arguing with him.

Out of his wall I found this to be the most relevant post:



To which Frito writes:



Like I can see why Friday Townie would think like this, Circus makes a long wall on why Bardul's play was bad, but doesn't vote him. I disagree thought in that he took a "side stance" he was obviously pressing Bardul with this and outlining why he disagreed. I don't think someone pressing/arguing against a slot but not voting him = scum obviously.

To answer your question about whether it is dumb town or scum misdirection, I am not entirely sure. He had a valid point in his second wall, but his #355 is mostly baffling. That wall is full of him quoting Circus's posts and not making much of a point. Like he even just says "nothing to see here" or similar in some of the posts quoted, why quote them at all then? It looks like a reach to me.

Being fair, it was an ISO not a case.

I went over everything in detail, even if I ignored on posts I posted with "nothing here"

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

But I mean from scumRaz' POV he's deflecting pressure from a player he KNOWS is legit, and redirecting that pressure onto a name that can be universally agreed upon, only to NK it because cop. Win win.

Him lynching cop would look atrocious, and if he's scum i bet he knew that in his position. On paper, lynching pawn doesn't look bad. That's a fact. But it IS being on a lynch.

Oh and also how can you sit here and say you like the slot when his early play is still there, unaltered? Literally nothing but dismissals of content and conversation, presenting his existence, and all of a sudden the Raz vanishing act.

Hmm i don't know here, it does flow with his mindset. And Raz vanishing for school is 99% more likely than him being lurky. Is there something that stood out here as being scummy?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I really wanna lynch the slot if @Rajam doesn't come in and redeem it. I don't think the case is particularly SCUMMY, but if that slot is THAT misguided I don't want it hanging around. C'mon mang 14 pages, watchu got for real for real?

Please don't follow ****ty wagon ideas like this of this bad reasoning.

Work with me though, and J on this, with Hetero he needs more accountability. Are you at all bothered or thinking about his posts thus far because I want to see a clear direction with Marshy and a mindset, but it's harder with him and how he approached Bardull.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I'm null on the slot and I want em to come in.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Hmm i don't know here, it does flow with his mindset. And Raz vanishing for school is 99% more likely than him being lurky. Is there something that stood out here as being scummy?

I think the way he presented himself post disappearance (and more specifically after he came back the 2nd time) is more indicative of him being scum than his intro, but I don't like it regardless.

 

[No Hetero]

Gonna have to skim through D1 again probably, but my gut really doesn't like that No Hetero did that thing where he pushes hard on a wrong slot with no hesitation.

"That thing". If I had been right on Bardscum, which I had every reason to think that I was, would you look at pushing hard with no hesitation to be good? If so, you're expressing a gut expectation of my play where I'd do it regardless of my role, but to be judged based on the flipped player's role, rather than for taking the actual action and the motivations of that action... motivations I made very clear.

I'm responsible for Bard's death. It's the same as what would have been the conclusion to the Bard wagon that I spearheaded. The result is that the cop is dead, because I drove him to claim, and he likely wasn't protected because of my loud and public suspicion on the slot, for his crumb and claim and the rest of his garbage posts.

I hold myself accountable for our scummy cop getting shot, and in the next game where someone plays like Bard did, I'll do it again.

 

[No Hetero]

This is an interesting post because nothing ever came of this. @ No Hetero : Where was your fine-*** and the persuasion I asked for?

It both happened and didn't.

My niece was born right after the statement that I'd get things going, so that was a couple days gone, which I called V/LA for in Social. When I got back, Bard had claimed and lost a lot of the wagon onlookers for that alone (which was BS reasoning to ignore Bard), and Soup had replaced. Circus had already said everything relevant about the new situation in 305, including why Bard was still scummy. After that, we tried to get the lynch together despite the change in circumstances and the surprising deadline, and all but managed it except for Raz and his hoodlums.


I discussed why the Bard lynch was still the right one here, with you.

I talked about my conviction towards the lynch here.

I got the role flavour here and here, which (being Stabitoba) assured me that Rake had provided the claim, real or fake. Not helpful, because I was hoping for an out-and-out lie.

I made a push to get the lynch here and here.


So I didn't get a chance to persuade Joey/Circus specifically like you wanted, but it can't be said that I didn't try to move that lynch.

 

[No Hetero]

@ #HBC | Gorf : We were talking about this earlier but the problem with not making marshy do more work is not having a paper trail and cues to his alignment when talking about his pushes. Yes, he pushed Bardull but not as harshly as you did. You have the case, he has the bravado. It's basically my way of saying (now that Bardull has flipped, and town at that) marshy has a way out. I don't like marshy having a way out. Trapping marshy is fun. So this is where I am not liking the fact you posted a "case" for him which is what it was regardless where you want to call it.

 

[No Hetero]

Then there is that odd flip by Joey again. That will give me pause until one of them flips. (mainly Joey)

What is this in reference to?

Fanny, thanks for liking my post and alerting me. There was something I had forgotten on that page.

Frito's case on Circus. Incredibly reachy and not telling of Circus' alignment. Let's talk about this: What do people think about Frito's push on Circus that haven't commented on it more? Is it scummy misdirection or is it more dummy towny?

@-Masquerain- @ No Hetero @ BP (I can't tag them) @BadWolf28738

Like Ryu says, their post was an ISO on Circus rather than a case. The distinction isn't entirely relevant, because the ISO was undertaken with at least a scumlean expressed on Circus. But did they drop a vote there? The reads on Circus' posts are all the opposite of my readings, which jives with my feelings in the rest of D1 that they were scummy, but I didn't get a sense that they were trying for any push on Jerkus.

 

[No Hetero]

What do you guys make of his stance when it came around the time soup replaced in and eyes starting looking elsewhere for a flip? He was adamantly against switching to pawn, which for a scum No Hetero doesn't really click, for either Nabe OR Marshy. I feel like they'd be up and at hardbodying pawn right out of here... But they were ambivalent.

This isn't right; I was fine with getting rid of Paw Paw, and didn't want to lynch Raz or Fanny.

Not a case. But yes I know where you're coming from. I feel like the puzzle will fill itself out (I like his later play, for one) but had I thought about getting a No Hetero by not posting a case I'd have withheld it.

Neither of us have read your post about Bard or at least we haven't discussed it. Should be a nice surprise D3 when I find out you actually said in there in pink text that Bard was a sexy little thing you wanted the leash to, then posted a series of topless cowboys and a troll face.

 

[No Hetero]

Hetero is the one I am more worried about with trying to ride that wagon.