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[Kantrip]

oh wtf

deadline says 12 pm central

12 pm is 12 noon, so we have like... 8 hours?

Request deadline extension
Request deadline be put in title

 

[Kantrip]

ninjas

wait so we have until sunday for the replacement

sunday the 21st

at 12 pm noon

rake pls

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

He didn't edit the first post he posted the deadline so I an assuming the deadline in longer than that or this game has a 5 day deadline from the start.

 

[Kantrip]

Vote: Fanny

basically fallback + the bonus of early qualms

will settle for other good suggestions if we can get a lynch over a no lynch

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'd do fanny as well if we needed a fallback.

Vote: Fanny

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I wouldn't. **** fanny he's actually got something on the table. Get Pawn/Raz for being complete blanks.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I wouldn't. **** fanny he's actually got something on the table. Get Pawn/Raz for being complete blanks.

He does?

I left no impression on me, granted Pawn is more hit or miss and Raz or more os the less the same as Fanny. Though what did Fanny do for more worthwhile living status?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

He's got early game. Some early game. Raz has the refusal to accept anything RVS as real and a really lame catch up.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I "might" be convinced of that.

Can you quote ares where you think he has something worthwhile?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Uhh no cuz dead tired but yea I promise it's there. Significantly moreso thought about the thread than Raz, which is my point. Whether it's stanceless or not, it's more meat. It's tangible. I don't think we're in scramble mode yet cuz we likely have around 36 hours yet, so I'd suggest at least stepping back n thinking n hearing more before acting.

 

[No Hetero]

are you ****ing kidding me of course theres no need to scramble. lynch soup, straight up. sucks that he replaced into a scum slot that had pretty much claimed scum
but that ***** is still scum

 

[No Hetero]

Fanny took time to get going on AiB, like Razzle-Dazzle does here. I think he's trying and will have more meat when the game sees more death. Paw Paw is a better compromise on a not-Supes wagon if that's how it has to be.

 

[No Hetero]

Ah but yonder exposition hath been most refreshing to the enlightened mind! Surely we learned men canst discern when thine words be twisted, if so: let the twister twist before he be hanged all the surer.

Mine mind wishes to hear more from the ones called Raziek, Fandangox, and Pawn, then shalt mine body be ready. Yea, it is already hard.

Okay.

I side with Gord over Bardull for sure.

I'm with BP on this one. I want to hear from more slots. Those three slots + Frito on the specifics behind Bardull vs Gord. How do you feel about Gordito's case specifically? Have you read it yet?

J, we'll talk about HBC and my thoughts on stuff later today or whatever. I want to bounce some ideas off with you so I can even my head a bit on KWK and Dango before I consider moving to the HBC.

town killin it this game i'm so proud

C(l)ock's tickin', girls.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

C(l)ock's tickin', girls.

I art here, but not yet fully caught up. (should be reasonably soon)

definantly

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

vote: soup

Best course of action. Sorry soup, but as much as you love tossing around the whole idea of a "hasty D1 lynch that the HBC damns itself to," it's... well... not one. This isn't HBC. The wagon on Bardull started last Monday, last Sunday if you count Frajam's vote on em. Sure 10 pages, but 5/6 days ago. So no. You don't get away with saying "town damns itself with hasty D1 lynches." Believe it or not, I remember a time where this was the average mafia game D1 size, which is when I realized that the play was your slot. Sorry mang, but ya gotta go.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

(out of philosophical character I'm 100% sure Rake meant midnight Sunday and forgot to change the date, the 21st was the old deadline. I just know how he operates lol)

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yea yea, after looking at it again it seems pretty clear he meant tomorrow... but I still dunno what he means by 12:00 pm midnight... @ Shun Goku Satsu Rake hmm?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

vote: soup

Best course of action. Sorry soup, but as much as you love tossing around the whole idea of a "hasty D1 lynch that the HBC damns itself to," it's... well... not one. This isn't HBC. The wagon on Bardull started last Monday, last Sunday if you count Frajam's vote on em. Sure 10 pages, but 5/6 days ago. So no. You don't get away with saying "town damns itself with hasty D1 lynches." Believe it or not, I remember a time where this was the average mafia game D1 size, which is when I realized that the play was your slot. Sorry mang, but ya gotta go.

No, it's quite possibly the worst choice of action you can do this game because you'll be wasting a whole day and lynching town that was given no quarter in the first place. You'll end up at square one the following phase with a dead cop.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vote: Pawn

@ Kantrip Fanny isn't a bad vote but I feel that he can be of worth compared to Pawn who isn't of worth and is scummy, moreover, most people could compromise on him.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

Forsooth though:

Vote: Soup

The congress of philosophers hath agreed that we care not for his life, nor do we believe his predecessor's words were of conviction. The logical confusion of crumbing as a cop first thing Day 1 and being not in jest and never dropped as having been mere ploy is truly confusing, just as is the lack of exposition beforehand on yonder "adrenaline cop" claim. Why didst the 'Dull one not say as much before if his life be already at stake in full? Why doth the Soup upon replacing bringeth it up only when being drilled by the Un-Hetero (Puns aplenty most intended), but not before when affirming said cop claims to begin with? And truly mine mind doth not fully believe the state of the game hast been toxic enough for a replacement... but I digress. Us learned gentleman gain the most insight from such a decision, and lose the least in the case that the 'Dull one hath been troubled true, as wast not the crow already at his doorstep to herald in the cold pall of death in the night? Tis a man already waste.

The scholars of Athens would settle upon taking Pawn with RookF5 or falling hard on mine Fanny without upset should the Soup be deemed "too hot to handle".

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

Also fair warning:

Plato the Scribe (Dietz) will be V/LA for a good portion of Sunday. I'll try to check in at night, but that might be about it.

 

[Raziek]

Did you think my push was serious?


Just want to say it hasn't slipped by me that you're doing more questioning and scumhunting of your own volition now. Good work

I thought it was either a joke, or totally boneheaded. I considered the possibility that it was serious, because you've pushed dumber things before.

 

[Raziek]

Ruy, tell me: Do you honestly believe everything you wrote there and think it is a good basis to lynch Circus off of?

Thank you for saying this, because I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing coming off reading that Circus case by Frito.

Ho boy.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

Plato doth also question Ruy's own conviction in such a thing...

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

unvote
Vote: Pawn

I need to talk to Rajam really badly about Soup's claim. I'm leaning more on it being truthful than a lie right now. I would rather dig into pawn than lynching Soup, I don't dig Bardull's play but I think Soup improved at the very least.

 

[Raziek]

I'll be honest, I don't like the Soup lynch. I cannot see any scum motivation in Bardull playing like that, and Soup's play has been TOTALLY FINE since he replaced in.

I like Kantrip's slot, and have quoted several things I've agreed with.

Frito's pushes have been poorly substantiated, but I'm leaning towards them being wrong Town at the moment.

Not sure why Fan is being suggested as a fall-back lynch, that slot delivers. (See: F&L2)

If we're going to go for a fall-back, I think Pawn is easily the best choice, as I agree with the previous sentiment that his vote on the wagon was real dumb.

Circus I'm unsure on the moment. His defense of Frito's nonsense was fine, but that doesn't exactly earn him any Town points. This slot is essentially null to me, but there's something about that "come the **** at me" line or whatever it was, that really rubs me the wrong way.

@J: Where are you looking at the moment?

I admittedly don't have a solid scum-read at the moment, as I'm still sorting through grabbing a couple Town-reads, as I usually do on Day 1.

 

[Raziek]

Oh, and for the purposes of not being called "non-commital", I'm totally willing to vote Pawn, I just haven't checked how close he is to a lynch, and I'm still willing to consider a better alternative, if one is presented.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

Mine head hath reason to disagree: Mine eyes could and do see a Bardull attempting to give thread reason to pre-emptively relent on the persecution he so oft claims he receives. He hath done sillier things before as the scum persuasion.

What be the town motivation for playing such?

 

[Raziek]

Mine head hath reason to disagree: Mine eyes could and do see a Bardull attempting to give thread reason to pre-emptively relent on the persecution he so oft claims he receives. He hath done sillier things before as the scum persuasion.

What be the town motivation for playing such?

I'm of the opinion that it was honestly just a poorly thought-out play.

I can't buy into that explanation of yours, having played with Bardull IRL at this point. I've been in enough games with him to know that he doesn't need to pull something like this, especially given how early the thread was going.

If he was scum, would he not just do so as the pressure actually started to build? Not IMMEDIATELY at the start of the thread? It was basically his first post, was it not?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I may not like how he approached my slot and Gorf's but I don't think after that claim and given Soup's play it's not scum driven. If he gets exposed we will find out but for now I'd rather just leave him be.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

I'm of the opinion that it was honestly just a poorly thought-out play.

I can't buy into that explanation of yours, having played with Bardull IRL at this point. I've been in enough games with him to know that he doesn't need to pull something like this, especially given how early the thread was going.

If he was scum, would he not just do so as the pressure actually started to build? Not IMMEDIATELY at the start of the thread? It was basically his first post, was it not?

(drops philosophical rhetoric to make sure he's understood correctly)

You mean his crumb? That's the whole point of a crumb though, to give yourself something to point to that wasn't thought of during the pressure: it'd have been even MORE suspect if he attempted to crumb a claim as pressure built.

I can't get past the fact that he neglected to claim the adrenaline portion when he dropped it all and outed, it seems too convenient that Soup just remembers this extra utility only when being questioned by Marshy when Bardull never mentioned it when he had no reason not to at that point, and Soup didn't earlier either.

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

I'm seeing a situation where Bardull goes "I'm always bodied, this time I'm giving everyone a big ass obvious crumb to point to". Like has been said, if he was the cop: that was the dumbest way to crumb it ever. Bardull does weird stuff sometimes, but give him some credit, I don't think he'd throw away a legit cop role by painting a target that big on his back. This makes much more sense as a rattlesnake move as scum to keep town from badgering him like he always feels that we do (even when we really don't).

 

[Raziek]

I can't get past the fact that he neglected to claim the adrenaline portion when he dropped it all and outed, it seems too convenient that Soup just remembers this extra utility only when being questioned by Marshy when Bardull never mentioned it when he had no reason not to at that point, and Soup didn't earlier either.

This is really the only thing that concerns me about it, but it's possible he didn't want to give that information away.

Maybe he was afraid that if he got RB'd he'd lose his shot and not get another chance?

The flavor Soup gave us explaining it makes sense to me in the context of the game, which is why I'm inclined to trust it. Problem is, I don't know if Rake gave the scum full safeclaims with detailed flavor, for example.

Like, the sort of flavor Soup described is basically spot-on parallel to how mine is written.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i didn't mention it at first because i didn't feel it was important, but then i realized if i possibly did then perhaps i could salvage the slot. also, bardull didn't crumb with an ulterior scum motive. that's stupid and getting himself undivided attention in the first place, which is something i think even bardull is aware that doing so would be incredibly stupid. bardull's crumb was poor, but it wasn't scummy. I've yet to see a valid argument regarding this unless you think it was his intention as any sort of mafia to make such a risky move in the first place.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

No, it's quite possibly the worst choice of action you can do this game because you'll be wasting a whole day and lynching town that was given no quarter in the first place. You'll end up at square one the following phase with a dead cop.

Hey. Do us all a favor and stop talking about your previous slots actions. You were the one that wanted to do that right?

 

[Blindfolded Philosophers]

i didn't mention it at first because i didn't feel it was important, but then i realized if i possibly did then perhaps i could salvage the slot. also, bardull didn't crumb with an ulterior scum motive. that's stupid and getting himself undivided attention in the first place, which is something i think even bardull is aware that doing so would be incredibly stupid. bardull's crumb was poor, but it wasn't scummy. I've yet to see a valid argument regarding this unless you think it was his intention as any sort of mafia to make such a risky move in the first place.

Sadly that last part is what I could personally see Bardull attempting. A big obvious PR crumb would be a great way on paper to get town to think you valuable and therefore a bit less likely to be lynched. Obviously if that's what he was trying it didn't really work out that way, but I could see that being the intent, especially because he crumbed the cadillac town pr in cop.

Still having voiced all that I realize it's mostly speculative and heavily reliant on my views of Bardull's motivations, and Gheb is starting to rethink this avenue as well. We're still good with Pawn going as well. It's true if you're telling the truth and they don't have a roleblocker you'll be dead tonight almost certainly so it's not the worst thing in the world to delay it a day if you still eventually have to go.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hey. Do us all a favor and stop talking about your previous slots actions. You were the one that wanted to do that right?

well, he kinda is the cop yknow, that one part of his slot transfers to me so it's relevant.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I'll be honest, I don't like the Soup lynch. I cannot see any scum motivation in Bardull playing like that, and Soup's play has been TOTALLY FINE since he replaced in.

Why this is bad logic:

1) the scum motivation is for the sake of saying "hey I have a crumb" if he gets close to lynch, believe it or not, scum CAN crumb.

2) soup likely didn't make those reads or plays from his slots perspective, he likely made em while replacing in, funny how he made sure to steer clear from giving his read on his own slot and is also calling us dumb for wanting to lynch what he hopefully thought was a scummy slot.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Sadly that last part is what I could personally see Bardull attempting. A big obvious PR crumb would be a great way on paper to get town to think you valuable and therefore a bit less likely to be lynched. Obviously if that's what he was trying it didn't really work out that way, but I could see that being the intent, especially because he crumbed the cadillac town pr in cop.

Still having voiced all that I realize it's mostly speculative and heavily reliant on my views of Bardull's motivations, and Gheb is starting to rethink this avenue as well. We're still good with Pawn going as well. It's true if you're telling the truth and they don't have a roleblocker you'll be dead tonight almost certainly so it's not the worst thing in the world to delay it a day if you still eventually have to go.

the thing about arguing about all this is that i wasn't the one who made these calls or played it the way he did, and it sucks that i'm being held liable for it in the first place.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

2) soup likely didn't make those reads or plays from his slots perspective, he likely made em while replacing in, funny how he made sure to steer clear from giving his read on his own slot and is also calling us dumb for wanting to lynch what he hopefully thought was a scummy slot.

what purpose would there be for me to talk about my own slot, i knew who i was replacing into