Quick Question on Blue bthrow

[Olimarman]

Ok, blue backthrow owns, we all know this. Sometimes when I do a blue bthrow the opponent is shot directly horizontal behind me, while other times they are shot at like a 70 degree angle behind me. Is there any reason as to why they may be throw in either direction? Both have happened to the same character so I don't think it has to do with how the other character DIs.

 

[shanus]

I'm 99% sure its DI'ing up versus down. All my opponents I play regularly I believe jam up on his backthrow so as to not eat horizontal death.

 

[Puddin]

We should do some testing. Horizontal death is delicious :D

 

[shrinkray21]

I'm 99% sure its DI'ing up versus down. All my opponents I play regularly I believe jam up on his backthrow so as to not eat horizontal death.

i'm not 100% sure, but I'm with shanus on this one.

 

[DanGR]

Haha, this reminds me of something. If you play with someone regularly and they know what each pikmin specializes in, try this out. If you grab them with a purple, throw them backwards. They'll probably DI downwards to avoid the upthrow, but instead they'll fly horizontally and maybe get too far down to get back to the stage. It's great.

 

[deepseadiva]

Haha, this reminds me of something. If you play with someone regularly and they know what each pikmin specializes in, try this out. If you grab them with a purple, throw them backwards. They'll probably DI downwards to avoid the upthrow, but instead they'll fly horizontally and maybe get too far down to get back to the stage. It's great.

Oh noes. I have been discovered.

 

[Awex]

DIing sideways helps more to avoid upwards kills. Try up throw with blues too, lawl.

 

[Rocann]

DI downwards does absolutely nothing from a uthrow anyway, especially if they're holding it from the start, they don't even get smashDI

 

[asob4]

when you're on the edge for a good forward throw with blue, do a back throw instead ^^ they ALWAYS DI that way and they go so far and are unable to recover

 

[shanus]

DI downwards does absolutely nothing from a uthrow anyway, especially if they're holding it from the start, they don't even get smashDI

correct me if I'm wrong, but smashDI doesnt work unless there's a hitstun on moves, so smashDI I believe doesn't exist on throws. Only normal DI.

Also, who in the world would try to DI downwards against Olimar anyways?

 

[Rocann]

correct me if I'm wrong, but smashDI doesnt work unless there's a hitstun on moves, so smashDI I believe doesn't exist on throws. Only normal DI.

Also, who in the world would try to DI downwards against Olimar anyways?

it has to exist on throws. otherwise there wouldn't be such a glaring change in trajectory so early on after the bthrow.

 

[shanus]

No, thats the initial DI, smashDI I believe is a hitstun only related mechanism. Any super hard core techer's know the answer?

 

[BlackWaltzX]

Not hardcore, but smashDI is hit stun and multi-hit related. So you can DI away from Zelda's fsmash, but you will get pushed one way with the full hits. If you smash DI it, you can escape 80% of the time before the last hit lands. (Same for Halbred's cannon and Smart Bombs)


EDIT:: Full information to be here.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=60218

 

[tonyrulz92]

Please divulge why blue back throw owns.

 

[DeathNote]

Please divulge why blue back throw owns.

You serious?

Maybe because 2 hits and a Bthrow from a Blue pikmin does about the same % as an uncharged purple Fsmash.

Or maybe because only blue pikmin can KO in the mid 100%'s with a bthrow... and Olimar just happens to have a wicked grab range basically ensuring the KO

 

[Snail]

You serious?

Maybe because 2 hits and a Bthrow from a Blue pikmin does about the same % as an uncharged purple Fsmash.

Or maybe because only blue pikmin can KO in the mid 100%'s with a bthrow... and Olimar just happens to have a wicked grab range basically ensuring the KO

Blue Bthrow usually kills in the 90s for me if I do it near the edge, which is basically the only place I do it if my opponent is in the higher percentages. You can use it from the center of a stage too, but your opponent will need to have some more damage for it to KO. It still does some awesome damage though, I just prefer to use it for KOing shield-happy people.

 

[RichBrown]

Going back to the initial question (actually, building off of it): Does diminishing returns apply to throws in ANY direction? I was practicing saving my back throw until I got a blue at a high %, but I noticed that I still couldn't get the really awesome horizontal KO.

 

[DanGR]

Each direction you throw counts as its own attack. Each pikmin doesn't count as it's own attack.

Ex. yellow upthrow, then yellow backthrow, then blue backthrow
-yellow upsmash will do regular damage
-yellow backthrow will do regular damage
-blue backthrow will do subpar damage

 

[RichBrown]

I know each pikmin doesn't have its own attack (although that'd be awesome) but what I meant was, if I do 9 downthrows in a row (with any color) followed by a backthrow with a blue pikmin, would that backthrow be affected by diminishing returns because it was a throw, or will it be fresh because it is a backthrow instead of a downthrow?

id test this stuff if i owned a **** wii XD

 

[OlimarFan]

i'm not 100% sure, but I'm with shanus on this one.

Pity...so a Blue Pikmin B-Throw (Horizontal knockback) can be negated partially....

 

[Snail]

I know each pikmin doesn't have its own attack (although that'd be awesome) but what I meant was, if I do 9 downthrows in a row (with any color) followed by a backthrow with a blue pikmin, would that backthrow be affected by diminishing returns because it was a throw, or will it be fresh because it is a backthrow instead of a downthrow?

id test this stuff if i owned a **** wii XD

The Bthrow would still be fresh. It counts as a different move just like downtilt isn't affected by decay even after using uptilt 9 times, although they're both tilts.

 

[RichBrown]

gotcha.

I asked because I've noticed that I will sometimes get that weird angle on the back throw even after not using it a bunch. Maybe I'm not as aware of how much i use it as i thought...

 

[Snail]

gotcha.

I asked because I've noticed that I will sometimes get that weird angle on the back throw even after not using it a bunch. Maybe I'm not as aware of how much i use it as i thought...

That would be because the opponent DIs upwards and changes the trajectory that way (making it less deadly.)