Question on an Isai vid regarding Yoshii

[jiggssmash64]

In this Isai video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsifUsJQBc8

At the very beginning, right after Isai FAIR's cpt falc, how does he manage to have the utilt combo, is he L canceling the fair? is his DJC just quicker than myne? whenever I do it, fair --? tilt never clocks as a 2 hit combo

 

[th3kuzinator]

He just djc fairs and then zcancels

only 4 frames of lag once zcanceled which gives you plenty of time to utilt. Go try it out yourself, its quite easy.

 

[ciaza]

If your utilt isn't connecting it's probably because you're doing the fair too early.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

just because a combo doesn't clock at "2" doesn't mean that it's not a combo.

if the counter stays at 1 and doesn't reset, it is still counted as a combo, from my experience.

also, zcanceling.

 

[Fynal]

no such thing as L canceling in 64

 

[Dsc]

no such thing as L canceling in 64

L stands for LAG if you wanna call it l cancelling in 64.

 

[th3kuzinator]

just because a combo doesn't clock at "2" doesn't mean that it's not a combo.

if the counter stays at 1 and doesn't reset, it is still counted as a combo, from my experience.

also, zcanceling.

the counter will reset if you:

-miss your combo

the counter will incorrectly rest if you

-hit a wall
-hit a tornado
-are grabbed (falcon dive included)

the counter will incorrectly not reset if you

-let your opponent touch the ground for a split second but then continue a combo (this is always techable)

 

[rpotts]

just because a combo doesn't clock at "2" doesn't mean that it's not a combo.

if the counter stays at 1 and doesn't reset, it is still counted as a combo, from my experience.

also, zcanceling.

this is wrong.

l canceling is fine, i use both terms.

you don't need to djc the fair. just wait til just before you hit the ground, fair, hit z, uptilt. very easy after only a minute of practice.

 

[SilentSlayers]

just because a combo doesn't clock at "2" doesn't mean that it's not a combo.

if the counter stays at 1 and doesn't reset, it is still counted as a combo, from my experience.

also, zcanceling.

Lol what? We aren't talking about grabs or walls here, so...

 

[ballin4life]

Fair utilt with yoshi is like the easiest combo evar

Also if it doesn't clock in at 2 then it's not a combo

 

[Sempiternity]

Isn't there something funky about the combo meter being a few frames off? Meaning you can link together "combos" even when characters hit the ground?

Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3B6SBI3sTY

Can that be teched? If so, the game still considers it a combo hit.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

you don't need to DJC the f-air. F-air to up tilt works. Same with b-air to up tilt or d-air to up tilt.

also, I believe you actually can hit someone before they are able to tech if the move is quick enough.

correct me if i am wrong.

 

[ballin4life]

Isn't there something funky about the combo meter being a few frames off? Meaning you can link together "combos" even when characters hit the ground?

Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3B6SBI3sTY

Can that be teched? If so, the game still considers it a combo hit.

Yes that can be teched.

The combo meter is actually like 1 or 2 frames off iirc on normal combos, because you can attack 1-2 frames before you can jump, and the combo meter ends based on when you can jump again.

 

[rpotts]

Yes that can be teched.

The combo meter is actually like 1 or 2 frames off iirc on normal combos, because you can attack 1-2 frames before you can jump, and the combo meter ends based on when you can jump again.

1 frame of in US version, 2 frames in Japanese version. iirc

 

[Fynal]

L stands for LAG if you wanna call it l cancelling in 64.

I stand corrected

 

[NixxxoN]

Its not L cancel its Z cancel because you can cancel lag on several things and so L cancel is not the most correct

 

[malva00]

It's always been z-cancel in ssb to me. I bet the majority of english speaking players who don't think saying l-cancel (when discussing ssb) is weird haven't been playing ssb for very long and/or are too influenced by melee.

this calls for a crew battle, the best way to resolve all smash related issues

Z-cancel Roster:
Isai
Frog
Alancitu
Ðånn¥ ][§sß][
Kefit
SuPeRbOoMfAn
th3kuzinator
Dsc
Pur*************tle

L-cancel Roster:
rpotts

If the L-cancel crew wins, it will have to fight the R-cancel crew:

R-cancel Roster:
PD

If the L-cancel crew defeats both crews, l-cancel will be an accepted ssb term used to describe the cancelling of aerial attack lag.

(Note: you could argue that saying l-cancel isn't weird when discussing Online SSB cuz Online SSB is already fake, but the video in the first post was recorded on console.)

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To help answer jiggssmash64's question, pressing L won't cancel nairs, bairs, uairs, or even dairs. Instead, press Z or the lesser used R. Thank you for your interest in my videos.

 

[th3kuzinator]

put me on that zcancel list

 

[P D]

i R cancel

best crew

 

[Dsc]

Oi.
Im z cancel.
I was just explaining what l cancel was to fynal. I hate calling it l cancel. Too melee like

 

[Fynal]

LOL i thought u were making a joke about kaillera lag or something

yea that kinda makes sense

but L is taunt so Lcancel sounds wierd

 

[th3kuzinator]

I am so ready for this crew battle.

 

[dch111]

Just to complicate things, put me down for the fully typed out "lag-cancel" (not "l-cancel"). My argument for it: "lag-cancel" is friendly to both people who use Z and people who use R, and is easily understood across both games, without carrying the impression that the L button needs to be pressed (which is the problem with "l-cancel").

At only the cost of two extra letters (how often would you need to type it out anyhow--it's not like the airs) we eliminate the confusion in both games (since in Melee you can use L or R and in SSB you can use Z or R).

 

[Battlecow]

Z is fine for people who know the game. If there's a nub in attendance, it'll take two seconds to explain, and it's what we already use.

 

[The Star King]

L-cancel is lag cancel, because you're canceling the landing lag of your aerials.

For Z-cancel, you're canceling "z"? Doesn't make sense.

L-cancel is a better term.

 

[Dsc]

........

Z-cancel = pressing Z to cancel

And l-cancel is used in melee so it could get confusing.
Who uses R anyway

 

[Korrupshen]

You can cancel with both Z or R on 64

but like star king said L-cancel doesn't mean the actual trigger "L". It stands for "lag cancel"

 

[th3kuzinator]

zcancel = 64

lcancel = melee

clinically ******** = brawl

 

[Dsc]

You can cancel with both Z or R on 64

but like star king said L-cancel doesn't mean the actual trigger "L". It stands for "lag cancel"

Yes, i explained this to fynal a couple post back. I just dont think saying L cancel is "better" than saying Z cancel.


So true kuz

 

[Purtle]

put me on the z cancel crew ! =p

 

[asianaussie]

i use R when i play certain characters lol

also my keyboard play has conditioned me to press down-c every time im supposed to press z, unconditioning myself is hard :\

 

[The Star King]

I use R to cancel. Also, Z-cancel is dumb because canceling "Z" makes no sense.

 

[ciaza]

Z canceling is dumb because SHFFZ can't be made into a word like SHFFL can with "Shuffle".

Unless people like to say Shuffzing =D

 

[asianaussie]

you know what's really dumb

the melbourne shuffle

*shudder*

 

[TANK64]

I use R to cancel, and say "L-cancel" in 64 and Melee.

Z makes no sense, and isn't the only button for it. (although I understand it is the norm to say-so whatever)
Just annoying when people are like, "L-cancel? I don't understand, this isn't Melee."

Plus I use Z to cancel plenty in Melee. Lag-Cancel works since there are 3 buttons for it in Melee.

 

[Korrupshen]

I use Z to cancel on 64, Melee, and Bralw .....wait wuh?

 

[malva00]

I use R to cancel, and say "L-cancel" in 64 and Melee.

Z makes no sense, and isn't the only button for it. (although I understand it is the norm to say-so whatever)
Just annoying when people are like, "L-cancel? I don't understand, this isn't Melee."

Plus I use Z to cancel plenty in Melee. Lag-Cancel works since there are 3 buttons for it in Melee.

You say Z "isn't the only button for it," but no one is saying saying R-cancel is weird.

I believe that when melee came out, people called it l-cancel because the L button happened to be pressed by the same finger that Z was pressed by the majority of SSB players, not because they thought, "hey let's use the term 'lag-cancel' because it covers all three lag-cancelling buttons. Oh yeah btw let's just say l-cancel for short." L-cancel, or pressing the l button to cancel lag, led to the term lag-cancel and not the other way around.

Therefore, z-cancel makes sense and only doesn't to people who believe l-cancel has always stood for lag-cancel. Z-cancel is SSB tradition, just not TANK/current melee tradition.

 

[felipe_9595]

I gonna start saying Shuffzing =D

 

[th3kuzinator]

who ss ffs in this game anyway? A sh aerial is enough to suffice.

 

[malva00]

who ss ffs in this game anyway? A sh aerial is enough to suffice.

useful for samus, mario, luigi, kirby, pikachu, and DK

borderline useful/somewhat useful for jigglypuff

somewhat useful for ness

not as useful for fox, falcon, link and yoshi