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Yeah I'd agree with that, Honestly only troubles I've had in terms of characters MUs is Greninja, Yoshi, Shiek and defensive Little Mac. but I think that's more so my lack of understanding how to deal with certain characters I dunno. I come from SFIV and KOF and it's really hard for me to figure out what to do in some situations when it comes to Smash. Played all the games like "casual competitive" I guess? aka I went to tournaments played with friends but never really looked up info.
Maybe it's because I've never played a good Robin, but eh. I haven't had that hard of a time. Greninja, I can agree with, though. I'd rather just use Sheik for that matchup, XD.
Good Robins **** me right up with unexpected close range arcfires. And my approach game with Marth absolutely cannot handle el/arcthunders. Thoron is nasty in the laggier matches, too, when I can't jump in time. I probably just need more practice.
Honestly I dunno if this would work in high level play but against zoning characters I tend to play really REALLY REALLY patient and it becomes a battle of who is gonna lose their **** first? Is the zoning character gonna say "screw this" and try and rushdown for a fast win/lose?
You know their frame data is the same right? xD So their agility is exactly the same.
Both Lucina and Marth are viable for their own reasons, but Marth is fundamentally better. So we make of that as we will, just don't assume that Marth vs Lucina is like a 100 - 0 MU or anything xD
Please refer to this for the actual property differences, and you can make of it as you wish:
As long as you keep in mind the commitment moves that Marth has now compared to before, your transition to Smash 4 Marth will be just fine xD Oh yes, his design has certainly improved, though one wonders at what cost...
Marth is Lucina's hardest matchup. She literally can't compete. Everything about how he works is in his favor in comparison to Lucina, considering they play almost 100% the same. Lucina has easier to execute attack strings, but Marth rewards for spacing so much more and can kill so much earlier than I can be at 200% before Lucina kills me, and I accidentally kill her with a tipper f smash at 20% (rage provided).
I only meant to assert that the match up isn't completely unwinnable xD Like the way you put it sounded like Lucina had none, but without tone, my joke sorta lost its meaning.
Eh, they really are. If the skill is even between two players, and one choses luci and the other Marth, Marth is going to win. She can't kill. I was playing CF against a Lucina, and mid match I gave up and started backflipping and throwing out the Knee and falcon punching.
But that's only based on your own experience, not accounting for the dozens of other players that may have seen different (competitive or otherwise). From my own experience, Lucina is just fine securing kills, about the same with Marth. It may take longer with either, depending on the opponent (character choice, not a matter of skill per say) and my spacing at that point, but I don't think Lucina will have too much trouble over Marth with getting kills on anyone else. It's just the Marth vs Lucina MU that's rather puzzling xD
On this however, the point does make sense. Perhaps they made her reach slightly shorter to keep her from going into exact tipper distance, and the balanced sword so she can be right at Marth's face, or at least what they had hoped for. This point will render the spacing option on Marth's favor, and both of their speeds are equal so there's also that. I personally still tilt with it being slightly in Marth's favor (like that one poster put, a 40-60 in Marth's favor I believe). But to hold my own values true, I really shouldn't care about the numbers and MUs xD I'mma just go in and play, so you guys handle dem MU discussions
Yeah, that's kind of the point I'm making. I know many people were complaining about him feeling sluggish but he's just as agile as her and she's pretty fast.
Though to add on, the human factor does come into play, and despite the MU difference, it does not necessarily dictate the outcome of every match.
I'm only using it to lighten the mood so people don't get the wrong idea xD It hardly adds anything to the point I am making, but I thought to add some flavour to the conversation.
That's the point xD We need to be sure that people understand the difference between the optimal play and the actual playing itself and how that contributes towards victory or defeat. I state from how you'd describe 'feels' side of things; as such, possibility is something that should be accounted for - on both sides of the MU. I leave MU decisions in yours and the other guys' hands, but I will stand that it is not the end all, be all as some make it out to be (but again, this is personal opinion and not something that all will agree with xD).
Haha, remember that my goal was to clarify that it such MUs are winnable. Never once did I say that the MU was in Lucina's favor by any means, nor did I have the intention of proving otherwise. But people should choose characters the like and stick with them, and an unfortunate truth is that MUs like these sometimes makes people waver on their choice (seen a few myself, and it's usually not a pleasant sight when they start making the tier list or MUs a "how to" recipe for victory). And so, I spoke out on their behalf to defend Lucina's position - regardless of how bad the MU is, there is always that possibility. Indeed, you could have just covered the gist of what I said by saying that line xD but the discussion was fun for me, so I went along with it.
Yep, fundamentally Marth is stronger. Lucina's gotta work hard for that victory, and people need to remember that it is winnable. That's really all I want to argue xD
