Queen of the Underworld: Vote for Medusa's Homecoming Party!

[Erotic&Heretic]

Knowing Medusa is one of Sakurai's favorites (he loves everything Kid Icarus), I think she has a pretty good chance of coming in. I see Wolf and Medusa making their way into Smash 4 some way or another before any character (if the Roy and Ryu rumors were disregarded, that is). I'd be pretty happy with Medusa; she is a pretty unique character.

In terms of Sakurai bias, he will surely be biased for his own game, Uprising, but I wouldn't be surprised to know that he is a huge fan of the first game, as he tried to bring Pit in Smash 64.

But yeah, Sakurai seeing even just a bit of demand for Kid Icarus characters in the ballot can trigger his bias

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

In terms of Sakurai bias, he will surely be biased for his own game, Uprising, but I wouldn't be surprised to know that he is a huge fan of the first game, as he tried to bring Pit in Smash 64.

But yeah, Sakurai seeing even just a bit of demand for Kid Icarus characters in the ballot can trigger his bias

Inb4 we get Magnus and Hades instead.

But nah, I doubt Sakurai would be that cruel since he gave Medusa the shaft in Uprising's story already. I'd rather have a sexy dark gorgon with stone powers and sideboob over a purple wannabe troll that exists just to screw over everyone and could be the new Falcondorf (But with a million projectiles) .

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

As Sakurai search uniqueness, Medusa is clearly the best for that.

 

[Wolfie557]

As Sakurai search uniqueness, Medusa is clearly the best for that.

Medusa still has "uniqueness" competition. But I'm hopefull she makes it in. I know not all of my wanted characters will get in but it would be nicer if one high on my list.

She would be hard to develop. The complexity of geometry that would be required to accurately design Medusa's snake hair and her serpentine staff and clothes is immense. Of course, they could just take months and months and have her available at a slightly higher price.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Medusa still has "uniqueness" competition. But I'm hopefull she makes it in. I know not all of my wanted characters will get in but it would be nicer if one high on my list.

She would be hard to develop. The complexity of geometry that would be required to accurately design Medusa's snake hair and her serpentine staff and clothes is immense. Of course, they could just take months and months and have her available at a slightly higher price.

Well, she have a lot of potential for uniqueness like a lot of potential newcomers. When I say that she is the best, it's within Kid Icarus

About being hard to devellop... It's true. But as Sakurai's team managed to animated her whole fight, I'm not afraid of this.

Plus they had to animate the Duck for Duck Hunt Duo

 

[DevaAshera]

Sign me up for Medusa as DLC.
I wanted her before Palutena..I even tweeted Sakurai with her (and MegaMan, Dixie Kong, Krystal, Isaac, and Mewtwo) as my wishlist for Smash 4 before the first trailer lol

Only reason she's not part of my sig was due to having a hard time shortening her hair/snakes to get a good looking 'Stock Icon' picture of her..

Also @ Erotic&Heretic thank you soo much for posting that Medusa Wallpaper that you used as the main pic for this thread! I've been searching for a good sized version of that artwork since Kid Icarus Uprising saw release!

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Sign me up for Medusa as DLC.
I wanted her before Palutena..I even tweeted Sakurai with her (and MegaMan, Dixie Kong, Krystal, Isaac, and Mewtwo) as my wishlist for Smash 4 before the first trailer lol

Only reason she's not part of my sig was due to having a hard time shortening her hair/snakes to get a good looking 'Stock Icon' picture of her..

Also @ Erotic&Heretic thank you soo much for posting that Medusa Wallpaper that you used as the main pic for this thread! I've been searching for a good sized version of that artwork since Kid Icarus Uprising saw release!

Should I add you to the support list?

And yeah, that wallpaper really is awesome.

 

[DevaAshera]

Should I add you to the support list?

And yeah, that wallpaper really is awesome.

Definitely. It'd be great to see a strong female villain get into Smash Bros. (and quite frankly, I'm annoyed that Hades took her rightful spot as the Kid Icarus Uprising final boss.

It most certainly is, one of the best pieces of artwork for Kid Icarus Uprising, second only to Medusa's official artwork.

I will try my hand at making a Stock Icon image again.

 

[DevaAshera]

Done

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Done

Very nice, it even resembles the style of Palutena's face on her icon despite being in the KIU art style.

 

[DevaAshera]

Very nice, it even resembles the style of Palutena's face on her icon despite being in the KIU art style.

Hmm, you're kind of right, it does..even if I copied the Brawl/Project M style since it was easier to make look nice.
Still, it could very well be how she'd look since Palutena's pose mirrors her Uprising official art.

It did take a bit more to get it to look nice though compared to the others in my sig..I had to shrink the snakes and most of the hair to enlarge her face while squeezing the hair into a 30x30 image while keeping the face looking nice.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Done

That's really nice! It does blend well with the rest. It does have a Brawl vibe indeed, with that black outline, but it's really a cool one.

 

[JBRPG]

Based on the extensive analysis on King K Rool by BKuppa666, I felt inspired to make a moveset that analyzes individual elements by studying Medusa, which should give more insight to the character compared to moveset templates.


Character: Medusa

First Appearance: Kid Icarus (1986)

Recent Appearance: Kid Icarus Uprising (2012)



Character Traits

Key Traits

· Medusa’s design is monstrous since her various elements, including snakes, staff, magic, and sharp nails would give her an arsenal of attacks

· Because she can detach various body parts, she becomes a more gruesome villain, especially for a female

· Because Medusa packs more muscles, she would be heavier with jumping power as equal to Bowser or Dedede in total height, but does double jump like other fighters.


Character Play-style

Key Traits

· Unlike Palutena, which she is lightweight and uses more defensive and ranged moves, Medusa would be heavier with more offensive play-style closer to melee with some ranged attacks and stage control

· For staffs, Palutena uses it as her main weapon, Medusa can treat it as her secondary weapon since she packs a bigger punch with her body parts and fists

· Since she can summon minions, she would have elements of stage control, but her opponents can use them against her

· Detaching body parts allow Medusa to have some moves that are ambush-like, bringing in a risky-rewarding element to the character



Cannon aspects from main series, list and analyze each element one by one

Key Traits

· Claws – can be suited to a melee attack. Could be multi-tap standard attack with wide vertical slash as a finisher. Could also be used for a side attack, albeit with slightly longer horizontal reach.

· Staff – Focuses more as an offensive item with some degree of stage control. She can physically use it as a quick long range melee attacks suited either in the air and/or ground for charged up smash attacks. It can also be used to summon certain minions that are most likely small enough for balance purposes. It can also be used for a few post-grab attacks, with one that involves down-thrusting her staff against the laid opponent for high damage with low knockback

· Teleportation – Can be used as an evasion-based recovery, but it can be retooled as an offensive type at a cost of having a shorter range and longer delay compared to Palutena’s recovery. For offensive types, it could have a small explosion, based on her previous location, which damages opponents with weak-medium knockback. Another variant of teleportation would be to travel 1.5 times the distance with a poison mist, instead of an explosion, to give a small damage build to opponents that last 2 seconds, giving 1% damage every 1/5 of a second.

· Floating Eyeball – Can be used as an ambush-type special attack, which her eyeballs can burst out and attack the opponents with weak knockback and shoot small projectiles. Can be charged to give a longer distance and slightly more powerful projectiles.

· Eye Shooting – While can be delegated to a special with the floating eyeballs, it can also be treated as one standard attack in the air, shooting weak shots with little knockback

· Dark Mines – Can be treated as another variant of the eye-ball special attack, but the eyes travel less distance. The mines deals medium-level damage with weak knockback.

· Uppercut – Although an upper-cut move can often be applied as a standard attack or a special for various fighters, it can be treated as one of the moves when Medusa successfully grabs an opponent when pressing up. There would be slight starting and end lag to make an illusion as a strong attack.

· Poison Gas – Can be used as a quick damage builder, but must be well-timed when opponents are close. Although I have explained one variant of teleportation that uses poison, another could be used as a different special which she blows poison at her opponents by creating one small cloud equal to her height. The poison gas from her breath may have less range than the teleportation variant, but deals more damage in a shorter amount of time of 1 second, 2% damage for every 1/6 of a second, plus small bonus when used directly at the opponents.

· Minions – Medusa has plenty of minions to for combat, and the most suitable ones would be small enough size for balance purposes. Minion summoning can be treated as a special attack, but requires great planning and timing since opponents can use them against her from successful attacks. The minions would be released for a short time and disappear afterwards.

o Nettler – one-eyed creatures that pack a bunch of weight. They plop down to give a minor shockwave, dealing low damage with medium-low knock back. However, if opponent is underneath the Nettler, it will be sent upwards with medium damage and medium-high knock-back. If hit/reflected and sent to Medusa, the caster will fly horizontally with medium damage with medium knockback.

o Zik and Zak – two of the snake like creatures will travel a small distance before doing a shock attack. As long as the two are not hit, the electric line would be produced, dealing 1% damage every 1/10 of a second lasting for 1 second to a caught opponent, sending them up with medium-low knockback afterwards. If one of the snakes get hit, they both do a short-ranged shock attack, instead of an electric line, dealing 2% damage every 1/7 of a second for 1 second with medium knockback afterwards.

o Tempura Wizard – the only minion that cannot be sent back (however, reflect moves work), but has the most delay for opponents to evade. It will appear like a ramen bowl, but after ½ of a second, the Tempura Wizard’s head pops out and attempts to bite. If opponent gets bitten, will take medium damage with medium-high knock-back horizontally.

· Cyclops Head Form – People often clamor this as a final smash since it represents her powerful form. There are at least two different ways to treat Medusa’s Cyclops Head: A powerful instant-attack or a free-moving form. For Medusa’s Cyclops head to be treated as an instant attack, there are various interpretations to how to treat it like one. One form of instant attack would be to petrify opponents based on Medusa’s direction, much like stoning foes on her sight, followed by a series of powerful bites from her snake hair to send opponents flying with high knockback, nearly taking them off the screen. The same final smash could happen with Medusa facing the screen but the radius would be more limited based on the visual sign of the shock-wave. If the final smash would be free-form then she can move in any direction, but her facing direction would be the one delivering attacks. In her free-form final smash, she can use her eye to petrify an opponent, with slightly longer range, compared to her eye gaze special, as well as extending petrification state to 2 seconds. When Medusa’s head collides with an opponent, the victim will be given medium damage with medium-high knockback, but the petrified opponent will suffer from an increased damage and knockback.


Other aspects, same rule as cannon

Key Traits

· Greek Mythology – Medusa is based on a creature called Gorgon who also have the same name, The aesthetic design represented from Kid Icarus series matches with common perception of the mythology

· Snake hair – A primary element for many interpretations of Medusa. Her snakes can be used for various normal attacks as well as grabbing since the snakes can stretch quite far. One possible use of a normal attack is upward charge, which her snake hair can give a few weak bites, following with one strong bite with medium-high knockback. There will be significant end-lag between two phases to allow escape and surprise, making the move a double-edged sword.

· Petrification – A common element used in stories involving various interpretations of Medusa. It can be treated as a special move best suited at close range. It can be charged up for a stronger effect against opponents. When successfully used on the opponent, it will remain paralyzed for a short time period, from 0.5 to 1 second, depending on charging time.

· Detached head – For some stories, the powers of certain versions of Medusa will still be active even when without a body. It can serve a great deal of ideas for unique attacks. One possible idea is to make it a unique recovery move by throwing her head in upward direction, decent vertical range but with little to no horizontal movement. With the tossed head, the body will fall down to act as powerful weight against fighters below. However, once the head reaches midair, the body teleports back to her head and becomes helpless.



General/Miscellaneous

Key Traits

· Her Staff and arms can provide an additional number of attacks, mostly delegated to standard attacks in air and ground along with post-throw



Potential Mechanics

Key Traits

· While her moves involving the staff, arms, and snake hair can be fleshed out further, she becomes a more unique character when using elements that involve summoning, magic, and body-detachment.

· If Medusa’s head is thrown from her body for a recovery, her head can be moved slightly faster to ensure she recovers despite her falling down faster from her heavy weight when attached with the body.

· Medusa’s petrification moves against opponents, if applied successfully, would allow her to deal more damage and knock-back compared to opponents at their normal state.

· It can also be possible to use petrification move even when the eyes are far apart from Medusa’s head, but has to be done quickly before the eyes retreat to their sockets.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Don't ask how I missed a post like this. Smashboards must be messing with me.

I added it in the front page!

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

So Medusa would attack with her retracted eyeballs?

Andross deconfirmed.

 

[Laniv]

Also look what @ N3ON and @ TheRealHeroOfWinds made!

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Also look what @ N3ON made!

Nice, I would be tempted to use this as my new signature if I really want to get rid of the other one I current have. Though so wouldn't mind doing so since it's too big and stands out too much, like Medusa's sideboob.

 

[N3ON]

That was actually made by @ TheRealHeroOfWinds .

 

[TheRealHeroOfWinds]

That was actually made by @ TheRealHeroOfWinds .

To go on with this comment, anything could've been made by N3ON or myself. So it's better to give credit to both of us in the end.

 

[DevaAshera]

I was wondering where those were coming from.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

This pictures are awesome as always! Nice, N3ON and TheRealHeroOfWinds!

 

[Deleted member]

That's a great sig!

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Also look what @ N3ON and @ TheRealHeroOfWinds made!

You know, I've thought of something. If Tharja's trophy was removed for being too skimpy, wouldn't that make Medusa equally as unlikely due to having the side of of her body (including the boob) exposed make her unlikely as well?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put her down or make her even more unlikely as she is. Just bringing up a thought about Nintendo's more E+10 approach with Smash these days.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

You know, I've thought of something. If Tharja's trophy was removed for being too skimpy, wouldn't that make Medusa equally as unlikely due to having the side of of her body (including the boob) exposed make her unlikely as well?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put her down or make her even more unlikely as she is. Just bringing up a thought about Nintendo's more E+10 approach with Smash these days.

Medusa is a trophy in Smash 3DS while Tharja's been cut in the same game. I wouldn't worry much

If we except (for once) the sideboob, Medusa's shown skin isn't that worse than Zelda's nude back.

 

[Deleted member]

Medusa is a trophy in Smash 3DS while Tharja's been cut in the same game. I wouldn't worry much

If we except (for once) the sideboob, Medusa's shown skin isn't that worse than Zelda's nude back.

Plus, I don't see Medusa being the kind of person to do any "stripper pole" taunts to show off her panties.

She's got more class than that.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Now that I look at my avatar, it does have some Medusa vibes to it: being visually threatening while seemingly beautiful at the same time. But the one thing it lacks is the darkness factor since Medusa is even edgier than the likes of Hades.

 

[BluePikmin11]

If you guys are going to get Medusa, you'll should convince Sakurai as to why she should get in over his villain Hades, it's probably going to be pretty hard to do.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Pretty sure many of us had done so when voting for her, but the real issue is exposure. @ Erotic&Heretic ought to make something similar to what he made in the past, but one that goes the line of explaining her history (since that's one aspect that should be argued when it comes to Kid Whackerus Hamrising).

Let's also remind people of her radical role in the Captain N cartoon since she was as gorgeous as Mother Brain herself. Also advertisement, let's not forget the all advertisment from the trailers and the commercial.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Well, when voting, I obviously mention why she is the best KI choice.

First of all, the Medusa we support is a similar case as Palutena: they may come from the NES game, they still are "his versions". Obviously, Brawl is enough to know Sakurai's crush toward the godess of light

Secondly, importance in the serie. She is the first antagonist, and is one of the few character to be in 2 games (Of Myth and Monsters seems to be non canon). Although for obvious reasons, she is the one advertised in the commercials. She is the one that start the story of Uprising, and take a big part of the game, while Hades is just there talking. Personnal opinion, but the story would be less interesting if we had not the Medusa part. She is also way more connected to the heroes than Hades. She is banished by Palutena, defeated by Pit twice... The bond between them is stronger, while Hades is just "Hades! Pit! Hades! Pit!".
She also is on the famous "Kid Icarus Float", during the Aomori summer festival, in 2011. Granted, it's just her artwork on the back. But it's still better than loli goddess and the mouth of the underworld
She also have a Rare AR card, like Palutena. So rare that nobody have it.

Finally, if we strictly take the boss battles, Medusa can bring much more than Hades, who have simple kicks and projectiles. The most unique thing from Hades is his "battle suit", suited for his gigantic size with all the turrets on it. Beside, we have the Falcon kick, Falcon's jab, Dedede's Inhale and MK tornado (guess he clearly is a Sakurai character ). Also, their ultimate form both change their heads, and Medusa is cooler

That's why Medusa is a better choice.

Edit: Oh, also, despite the outcome, the "Medusa vs Hades" idol is Medusa punching Hades

 

[Buci01]

Just pointing out I voted for her twice, my private me at home and my business me at work. two completely different individuals. But I know that my votes are nothing compared to all the votes Ridley and K.Rool get *sigh*

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Just pointing out I voted for her twice, my private me at home and my business me at work. two completely different individuals. But I know that my votes are nothing compared to all the votes Ridley and K.Rool get *sigh*

Well Ridley's ones are probably wasted (we know Sakurai's position about Ridley, and that he is aware of the demand). And still, votes are votes. If we can trigger sakurai's bias, it's enough

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Been surfing through the good old Internet and I've managed to stumble upon some great Vote for Medusa images that were made by a few fans. Sure it may not be much, but it shows that she has that dedicated following despite the odds.

 

[TheSqushiestManatee]

I haven't been getting notifications from this forum until now for some reason... any way, those are awesome!

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Coming back from vacations and seeing some Medusa support is a really good feeling

 

[Medusa]

Is my party over?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Is my party over?

No, but she isn't as hyped anymore now that everyone are against your beautiful appearance. Then there's a certain Goddess of Nature and Lord of the Underworld to worry about (Especially the latter since he's trending everywhere).

Things would be easier if we can concoct a dastardly plan to have more people support your homecoming. They are still salty about the "overrepresentation" series had and how it doesn't deserve another character.

 

[Hockeyfan44]

Unfortunately, I'm not well versed in the Kid Icarus series, but just reading up on the backgrounds of the main characters, I'm jumping on the Medusa bandwagon for Smash 4. She's now one of my top 5 for inclusion. Plus, I say it's time for a female villain to get included.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Unfortunately, I'm not well versed in the Kid Icarus series, but just reading up on the backgrounds of the main characters, I'm jumping on the Medusa bandwagon for Smash 4. She's now one of my top 5 for inclusion. Plus, I say it's time for a female villain to get included.

Oh @ Erotic&Heretic it appears that you have a new participant for your homecoming party. You would be thrilled to hear about someone new joining our army.

A female villain would be something interesting to have, though a majority of them aren't as requested to warrant Sakurai's attention like Medusa and Captain Syrup. But the thing with the Smash Ballot is that Sakurai would know that we want more Kid Icarus characters and he should be aware of Medusa since he redesigned her like the other characters. The only problem I can really see is that he would focus on characters like Hades and Viridi since he arguably created them for Uprising and they had plenty of screen time.

Though it's great to have you on board since there's few of us that appreciate the character despite her treatment in the game. She's voiced by Cree Freaking Summers and had wasted potential since the time she was killed off by Hades.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

You guys can add me as a supporter. Medusa would be a cool character and you know wouldn't be a clone *cough cough Dark Pit*

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Ok, I add @ Hockeyfan44 and @ POKEMANSPIKA !

To be honest, I had nothing to say to bump the thread... As there's not much news about Kid Icarus, or even the ballot.

The only problem I can really see is that he would focus on characters like Hades and Viridi since he arguably created them for Uprising and they had plenty of screen time.

Technically, they don't get more "screen time" than Medusa But they sure talk a lot.

And hey. It's Medusa who have a rare trophy. Not Hades or Viridi She still have a good place in Uprising, despite being in the first part of the game. (and this first part is longer than the others).
The main problem would be Hades to me, as he is clearly popular. And another Underworld ruler, also.

You guys can add me as a supporter. Medusa would be a cool character and you know wouldn't be a clone *cough cough Dark Pit*

While Dark Pit was one of the few character I was against (with Magnus), I don't mind him as a bonus clone. Althought I think that he should get the costume treatment in the next game (I don't mind seeing him with the 3 sacred treasures).
The clone hate would probably be nonexistant if they had no slots, but if the variations in gameplay and stats remained.