Puzzle League/Panel De Pon General (Former SSB4 Lip Support Thread)

[Sinn]

Well, at this point my expectations for Lip are about at the same level they've always been: low, but not gone. I'm really glad to see so much posting still going on in this thread though. It brings a smile to my face~

 

[N. Onymous]

Like I already said, I'm not expecting anything, not even a regular trophy. We've been blown out enough times. It's clear to me at this point that when it comes to Panel de Pon, especially if you live outside Japan, disappointment is the norm. Granted, it's not as if that Mario Kart X Panel de Pon DLC pack is any more likely in the long run...

I agree though, it's excellent to see that people still care about Lip even here on the eve of Smash 3DS's Japanese release. ^^

 

[JaidynReiman]

Well, at this point my expectations for Lip are about at the same level they've always been: low, but not gone. I'm really glad to see so much posting still going on in this thread though. It brings a smile to my face~

My hopes/expectations of seeing Lip aren't got either, but they're definitely at an all-time low. I do expect at least a trophy for her, though.

 

[smashkirby]

I also hope Lip at the least gets a trophy. She deserves that much, especially since Takamaru and Prince Sable are JAPAN-EXCLUSIVE ATs, and if I remember correctly, they're even older than her.

 

[4theRECORD]

Sooooooo...Two days to go to Smash 3DS in JP. And there is absolutely no sign of Lip(aside from the Stick, yeah...)
I have to say, i'm pretty darn hopeless right now. I'm getting the fear that we won't even have a trophy, while third parties like Rayman can...(sigh)
I haven't given up completely yet, but I'm definately at an all-time low. At least it was good while it lasted.
Hope IS makes a new PdP sometime, preferably with the fairies...

P.S. I remember someone saying that this thread will be moved and remade into a PdP social thread. What's exactly going to happen in that case?

 

[Luminario]

Well it's possible that Lip's theme will be the secondary music for Pictochat (assuming that is Pictochat from Brawl) I'm pretty sure the song was popular and it certainly was a good fighting theme.
I have no doubt that Lip will appear in person SOMEWHERE in the game. If Prince Sable can be AT then Lip will definitely be there somewhere.

 

[4theRECORD]

Welp, some guy just got an early copy...So we'll se if she's in or not.
Here's to hoping...I do hope PdP get's some represetation...

 

[N. Onymous]

Don't get your hopes up for anything. There's no reason to believe Lip or any of the fairies will be anywhere in the game at this point...

Of course I'd love to be wrong. You have no idea how much I would love to be wrong and for Lip to get a trophy at the bare minimum. But I just can't see it happening.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

No sight of Lip whatsoever.

I guess it's back to where it started. Her stick.

Tomorrow this thread might be gone already. But I'll say this, I'm really, really happy for all the dedication we managed to give for our Flower Fairy despite not being noted at all in bigger scale than in last Smash.

It was a good run with you all. May we see each other one day again.

 

[BluePikmin11]

The fanart and dedication, especially @Kapus @lightdasher, and everyone who drew and posted Lip fanart.

 

[Souldin]

Sadly, Lip is not playable. I have yet to hear any news of her being an Assist Trophy or regular trophy... but there's still hope. It has been noted that Trophies will differ between 3DS and Wii U, and I believe this is the same case for the Wii U (which would explain the absence of certain Brawl Assist Trophies like Isaac, Infantry & Tanks, Jill, and what not).

So yeah, whilst her chances of being playable are pretty abysmal unless DLC is taken into account (in which case, unlike many characters she has yet to be announced as an Assist Trophy which I feel would get in the way of quite a few characters DLC candidacy) , I can still hope strongly for her appearance as DLC, a Wii U exclusive Assist Trophy, a Wii U exclusive Trophy, or simply a Wii U exclusive Panel de Pon stage. Here's to not giving up on getting some stronger Panel de Pon representation in the SSB series, whatever form it takes.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I'll be mighty disappointed if she doesn't even get a trophy. She should at least have that.

Sadly, Lip is not playable. I have yet to hear any news of her being an Assist Trophy or regular trophy... but there's still hope. It has been noted that Trophies will differ between 3DS and Wii U, and I believe this is the same case for the Wii U (which would explain the absence of certain Brawl Assist Trophies like Isaac, Infantry & Tanks, Jill, and what not).

So yeah, whilst her chances of being playable are pretty abysmal unless DLC is taken into account (in which case, unlike many characters she has yet to be announced as an Assist Trophy which I feel would get in the way of quite a few characters DLC candidacy) , I can still hope strongly for her appearance as DLC, a Wii U exclusive Assist Trophy, a Wii U exclusive Trophy, or simply a Wii U exclusive Panel de Pon stage. Here's to not giving up on getting some stronger Panel de Pon representation in the SSB series, whatever form it takes.

Infantry and Tanks is back, the absent ones are Isaac, Jill, and Ray Mk II.

 

[Souldin]

I'll be mighty disappointed if she doesn't even get a trophy. She should at least have that.

Infantry and Tanks is back, the absent ones are Isaac, Jill, and Ray Mk II.

I did not know of that. The only Assist Trophy I did not know of being in SSB3DS until today was Sheriff.

What other Brawl Assist Trophies still remain unconfirmed?

 

[N. Onymous]

People keep telling me that Nintendo in all likelihood doesn't hate Panel de Pon and Lip or want their fans to be unhappy, but GFDI, with the kind of poor treatment we've been getting for years now, that's becoming really, really hard to believe.

Time to redirect our enthusiasm elsewhere, I guess. If there's anyone who wants to join me on my Mario Kart x Panel de Pon crusade, speak up now (PM me if you're interested)!

[URL='https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAABnUYoKWq5C5A'][/URL]

 

[JaidynReiman]

I did not know of that. The only Assist Trophy I did not know of being in SSB3DS until today was Sheriff.

What other Brawl Assist Trophies still remain unconfirmed?

Just those three. Isaac, Jill, and Ray Mk II.

 

[4theRECORD]

...Well this sucks.
So, what was that talk of moving this thread to somewhere else?

 

[N. Onymous]

When all of the other threads for deconfirmed characters are archived, this one will be moved to NintenZone and turned into a general PDP thread. It will also most likely have its activity dropped to around one post a month.

 

[Luminario]

does the wii u version have many more ATs? Its possible she could be in there.

 

[Hong]

It was a good run with you all. May we see each other one day again.

Let me know in advance if you want anything to be done with this thread.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Let me know in advance if you want anything to be done with this thread.

If you could, put it in the Nintenzone-board?

 

[ADAPT Chance]

I'm not even sure how I feel about the final roster just yet. Initial reaction is a bit disappointed but expectations were most likely too high anyways.

 

[Hong]

If you could, put it in the Nintenzone-board?

Done.

I also changed the title from "Puzzling Fairy Princess: Lip for SSB4! (Sticking to be Faceless once again)" to "Panel de Pon Thread". Just a placeholder so people on this forum know that this is a thread for Panel de Pon discussion. Feel free to change it to whatever you wish.

Also left a temporary redirect, so hopefully people who frequented this thread to discuss PdP know where to find it.

 

[N. Onymous]

Quoting the first two posts here in case they're edited later:

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Thanks for N30N for providing the banner!​

- As of 9.04.2014, Lip has been probably deconfirmed as her wand is once again featured as an item. -

Panel de Pwnage! Lip for SSB4!

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Lip is sort of a glass cannon-type of a character that could be seen in Smash: she has many things referencing to her (Lip's Stick, Kirby's Garbage Block-cameo in Stone-move, many stickers and the song). Yet, she's pretty obscure to many people outside of Puzzle League-fame and clearly has localisation as her biggest obstacle yet. She's been replaced or clipped out countless times and hasn't yet made any proper appearance outside of Japan.
Will this mean she's completely out of question to have a playable spot though?

Who is Lip?

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From Nintendo's long-running puzzle series Panel De Pon, known as Puzzle League outside of Japan, Lip is Fairy Of Flowers who was the protagonist of the game, and to some extent, the face of series.
Back in the peaceful days when she lived in her homeland Popples, the Devil King Thanatos had casted a spell all over the Popples's kingdom, affecting the residents of the land and causing fighting amongst the fairies. Lip was luckily unaffected due her magic stick.
Lip then had to get out and travel to each destination where her fairy friends were lurking and defeat each of them in the game of Panel Pop to return their personalities to normal. After breaking every spell from her friends, she proceeded to face off against Thanatos.
During localising Panel De Pon for outerseas, NOA found the bishoujo theme ittle too girly despite it's compelling gameplay and thus were being afraid the game bombing amongst the american gamer audience back then (which were mostly boys.) So the fairy group got cut for more recognisable and popular characters from SMW2: Yoshi's Island, and to even go further boosting the sales, they went to borrow the name "Tetris" to draw in more hardcore audience: thus the game Tetris Attack was born. Pokemon Puzzle League was born in the same way, albeit from a cancelled Panel De Pon 64-game, which was then resurfaced as it's standalone game featuring fairies again (or rather, their incarnations), ported to Nintendo Puzzle Collection in Japan.
This trend has kept on in some form or another, which has rendered Lip almost completely abandoned by her own series. While localisation is nowadays very tolerable at the anime-styled or quirky-japanese-humour games , NOA oddly keeps on clipping anything referring to game's original form, as seen in latest Puzzle League-installment, Planet Puzzle League: the japanese version of the game had a stage featuring Lip as an unlockable but was locked away in the outerseas installments. Since then we haven't seen any new Puzzle League being made.
While Lip hasn't much appeared these days aside from things referring to her in SSB and Puzzle League, she's been found having a developed role in Skip's action adventure game Captain Rainbow.
Personality-wise, she's optimistic and said to be little tomboyish. However, it appears she's not sure of herself and her destiny as a new queen - Captain Rainbow had shown her wish being a "wonderful magic user".
As seen from her appearances, The Fairy Of Flowers has a lot of charm and is a fan-favourite of many due her cuteness. Her magical wand is undoubtedly the catalyst to everything of her getting recognized lately, and is seemingly gaining even more fame than before, thanks to SSB4 going for more unique and character-specific playstyles, which could favour Lip and her wand being evolved up from its current item status in Super Smash Bros-series.

How would she play like?

Lip would be a nightmare to those who rush down on beating their opponents and are easy to drive to a corner: with quirky playstyle of a poisonous "drainer", she emphasizes on making opponent sap up damage by her flower magic while zoning and using tactics in order to stall her enemies around as they grow more weary from the poison damage.
Elaborating also is her being flower fairy, which lends her to use magic powers with a flowery plant-life motive and so on. Combined with her baton, this could give her range on her attacks, which would strengthen her zoning game. Along with this would be her being very graceful fighter on air, perhaps using multiple jumps by "skips".

Another aspect on her playstyle would be about building the damage quickly to huge heights and then kill off her enemy with a stronger attack. Lip would then have low KO-power to emphasize this, but her damage potential could be obscenely huge, if not the biggest when compared to rest of the fighters. This reflects upon Panel De Pon's nature of racking chains in sequence to grow bigger garbage blocks to bury your opponent's block stack down. It would be also an evolved version of a playstyle adapted from Lip's Stick-item itself.
Lastly she would have some nifty tools in forms of cursor mechanic from her game series to swap her placement with her opponent and Garbage Block to punish airborn opponents or give her some space between her opponents.

Why support Lip?

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She's one of the most known obscure characters in Nintendo, and is still fairly popular in Japan. (Panel De Pon's japanese official site's still on even to this day)

And nowadays, she has gained more fame than ever, thanks to some games like Captain Rainbow and increased awareness by certain gamers about her original games. There's also the fact that not only Little Mac, the character also appearing in Captain Rainbow, is now one of the newcomers in SSB4, but also got a trophy showcasing himself in his fat form from Captain Rainbow, further supporting the theory of Lip getting some presentation as well.
Back in SSB64-days, Lip was once requested to Sakurai, but he was concerned about Lip's obscurity, wondering would anyone recognize, or even know about her if being added. However, he called Panel De Pon " a true masterpiece", suggesting people (interviewing him) go and try the game. As seen from Smash which seemingly shows references upon her in some form or another, there might be some evidence that she has some regard from Sakurai.

Other notes to say is that Lip could be the fully realized puzzle representative to Smash, making its roster have more variety in means of Nintendo's genres represented. No doubt also is that she could be able to presentate a puzzle genre more uniquely than Dr.Mario did despite the latter being more recognizable- giving us a new and fully-fledged character rather than another clone.
Along with this is the fact Panel De Pon / Puzzle League has been completely put to collect dust since 2007 - despite today's gaming market (notably mobile) tolerating, and even playing many similar games, some which have proved to be popular. Lastly, the series has some historical values for being one of the last games produced by Gunpei Yokoi before he left Nintendo.

Lastly, if she would be included along wit Lip Stick being now very familiar item for Smash-veterans, it would make her also more easier to meet on to the audience play Smash Bros and find out that she's the original owner. This would get us to the full circle about referencing to Panel De Pon/Puzzle League-series- bringing them as one of the mainstay puzzle franchise representative for Super Smash Bros. As it'll be inevitable that she'll get plenty of fans due her character, Nintendo and Intelligent Systems would be able to make a new Panel De Pon-game featuring her in a starring role, which can be localised without fear of alienating any intended audiences anymore because people are already familiar with her and would want to see her in her origins. Not to mention, the times have quite changed. Substantially.

Mostly in Lip's case, she's bound to be seen in some form in Sm4sh, but here we shall discuss about her biggest strike of luck that is becoming a playable character, and what it would bring for her.

- Supporter List -

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Spoiler

Panel Poppers
-Young Horsetail
-Falkoopa
-Kapus
-Sinn (Pre-Brawl Veteran!)
-KikwiKiwi

-MegaBidoof
-BluePikmin
-KinkLink5
-R.O.B
-XenoBlaze

-ChronoBound
-LouieG
-APC99
-Viper
-N.Onymous

-LordVaati
-MasterMushroom
-FirstBlade
-HomelessVagant
-YoshiAndToad

-RoyKun
-PixelPasta
-RouffWestie
-ReallyShyGuy
-CrapZapper

-Hong
-Pacack
-AncientTobacco
-RaccoonBL
-TCRHade

-RankoChan
-Tepig2000
-Ascended
-Forcerounds
-Bingoshi

-RasuMi
-JamesDNaux
-RadRedi
-SuperBrawler
-SchAlternate

-Grimnir
-Pemblem
-Tetra'sTrackers
-LipFlare
-Reila

-Ferio-Kun
-Vyzor
-3Bismyname
-TumblrFamous
-Lightdasher

-DustyPumpkin
-bksbestbwoy
-Loïc
-HatsuneMiku
-Hinata2000100

-Nautilus
-God Robert's Cousin
-M23-X0
-Andimidna
-MaskO'Gears

-Ariand/AEM
-egaddmario
-Zzuxon
-Tetra's Tracker
-Taigiry
-JaidynReman

-Souldin
-Oracle_Summon
-Itty_Bit
-Iko_MattOr
-Luminario
-Mistermews
-GM_3826
-Lucimar​

- Articles -

• An answer to a fan questionnaire regarding Sakurai's thoughts on Lip and Panel De Pon/Puzzle League

A translation courtesy of Grinmir. Thanks millions for this one!

• Arguments and Counterarguments
• Hypothetical thoughts and theories about Panel De Pon in Melee's development

- Art -
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Spoiler

• Lightdasher

• • N. Onymous

• HatsuneMiku

• Loïc

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Movesets

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Series: Panel de Pon
Initial Appearance: Panel de Pon (1995)
Number of Appearances: 4+
Representing Niche: Plant-based Fighter / Puzzle-game Representative​

Lip has been around since the 90's, making her definitely more of a veteran than many of the fighters to have joined Smash in Brawl and SSB4. Additionally, Smash has had no Puzzle-game representatives since Dr. Mario back in Melee, meaning she would represent an entire chunk of Nintendo's library on her own. Between her various cameos in other games and frequent nods in Smash (with Lip's Stick and Kirby's "Garbage Block" Stone transformation), she's definitely not obscure to the Nintendo crowd.
Her flower-magic would work well in favor of being a Poisonous Drainer. While she may not be poison herself, many of her spells could easily apply various gradual effects, including fairy dust that plants a flower like the Lip's Stick item, magical seeds that simultaneously hurt the foe while healing her percentage, and command-activated fields of poison ivy. In other words, she is perhaps the only fit for a Poisonous Drainer that isn't pure poison or evil as a character herself.

Playstyle Concept
Misc. Aspects​

[collapse="Misc. Aspects"]Palette Swap - Red Lip, Blue Lip, Yellow Lip, Pink Lip, Green Lip, Peach Lip, Zelda Lip, White Lip

Kirby Hat

Victory Theme - The first 10 seconds of the Panel de Pon Stage Clear Theme.
Wii Mote Sound - Lip giggles.
Trophy Information
Lip
[SNES] Panel de Pon (1994)
[WII] Captain Rainbow (2008)
A cute little figure who is one of Nintendo's lesser known characters. But don't let this fool you. She's a powerful fighter whose draining skills are second to none. In her game Panel de Pon the fairies of the world called Popples are put under a spell by the evil Tanatos. The spell causes the fairies to start fighting each other, making it easy for him to take control of the world. Lip is however unaffected, due to her magic wand, the Lip's Stick. She sets out on a mission to return her fairy friends to their senses, and one by one they join her for the confrontation with the evil Tanatos.
How to unlock: Beat Classic mode with Lip.
Panel de Pon
[CAS] Newcomer #1
Lip with a Smash Ball, unleashing her ultimate attack. Lip summons the very same panel-mechanism she and the other fairies of Popples used to battle each other with. Sliding panels around, Lip jumps with glee for every cleared set that will make her garbage block even bigger. As adorable as the garbage block is, it's very deadly to be hit by it. The bigger it gets, the more likely it'll send foes flying in a star KO! Go for chains to make the most out of Panel de Pon!
How to unlock: Beat All-Star mode with Lip.
Snake Codec
Snake: "Otacon, I've got some sort of flower girl here."
Otacon: "That's Lip. She's the main character from the long running Panel De Pon series of puzzle games."
Snake: "Long running? How come I never heard of it?"
Otacon: "Well when translating the titles for America Nintendo used more well know characters and names to help it sell better. The original game was changed to star Yoshi and was renamed Tetris Attack."
Snake: "So they disguised the game to pass it off as something familiar, huh?"
Otacon: "I guess there's more similarities between espionage and marketing than it first seems."
Pit Codec
Pit: "Lady Palutena?"
Cordelia: "Hello there, little angel."
Pit: "Woah! Who're you?! You're no Palutena..."
Cordelia: "I might not be, but I'm her friend from distant lands of Popples. I'm Cordelia, the Goddess of the Fairies."
Pit: "Okay, at least you don't seem sort of evil lady... though you somehow give a bit of that vibe. Sorry for that. So do you have anything to say about Lip?"
Cordelia: "She's quite a confident and tomboyish girl, and the wand she uses is the source of her power, and her most valued thing. The powers of plant life are in her command, so do watch out if you see them. Though the fact that she hadn't found herself yet accepting as the new queen worries me."
Pit: "Queen...? I didn't expect you to know so much about her."
Cordelia: "It's because I'm her mother. *Fufufu*"
Pit: "M-m-m-mother?! You're her MOTHER!? No wonder! You really know your daughter. So about Lip, you hope she'll become as great as you did?"
Cordelia: "I hope for so too. I have faith on her. Please, do support her. She needs it in her way to take my place."
Pit: "I... I will!"
Little Mac Codec
Doc Louis: "Watch out, Mac baby! This little fairy may not look tough, but her flower magic will drain you so fast you won't know what hit you! Hmm, I wonder if she can grow some cocoa beans..."[/collapse]

Moveset​

[collapse="Moveset"]Entrance - A rainbow comes from the other side of the screen. Lip runs down from it, jumps off to the stage and quickly raises her stick, which opens and spreads it's petals, saying "Ikuso!" while looking at the camera.
Fighting Pose - Is standing side-ways, the front part of her facing the screen and her head turned to the right. Her Lip Stick is in one hand and she's holding it forward; slightly diagonally. She kind of sways back and forth while her ponytails swings.
Idle Animation 1 - She slightly giggles while holding her hand in front of her mouth.
Idle Animation 2 - She fluffs her ponytail.
Jump - Lip leaps up into the air in a large skip.
Second Jump - Lip spins horizontally as a few sparkles drop down.
Crouch - She crouches down and has her knees together. She holds the Lip Stick in front of her.
Additional Traits - Cannot crawl, wall-jump, wall-stick, glide, multi-jump, or use moves after her recovery.
A: Flower Jab - Lip swipes the area in front of her with her Flower Wand vertically once. It doesn't have any start up or landing lag and can form a Jab Combo. Has very low priority and below average reach.
[Below Moderate Damage & Minor Knockback]
Side Tilt: Flora Flash - Lip swipes the area in front of her with her Wand again, but horizontally this time. She also takes a step forward while doing it, adding a bit more range in front of her. There is a slightly powder effect upon start up. Slight start up lag. Has a hit box that does more damage at the mid-point of the swipe.
[Minor Damage & Below Moderate Knockback]
Up Tilt: Twirling Blossom - Lip twirls her Wand above her somewhat playfully. The move does some constant damage. It suffers from little start up and ending lag and can be punished. It has mid ranged priority and can negate weaker attacks. The mid portion of the attack is at its strongest priority wise. Has a decent reach with a wide hitbox.
[Individual hits do Minor Damage & Minor Knockback. If the entire move connects with an opponent, a Flower will grow on their head.]
Down Tilt: Leaf Rustle - Lip swipes the ground in front of her with her Wand (Sort of similar to Ike’s Down Tilt). Very short reach but doesn't have start up or ending lag. Has a slightly extended hit box. Low priority attack and can be punished if the opponent can get behind Lip.
[Below Moderate Damage, Minor Knockback]
Dash Attack: Sliding Petal - Lip swings her Wand downward vertically while stopping herself. Has moderate ending lag as she tries to stop herself and can be punished. If performed close to the ledge, the downward strike can meteor strike opponents.
[Moderate Damage & Moderate Knockback. If the move connects with an opponent, a Flower will grow on their head.]
Ledge Attack: Wand Twirl - Lip twirls her Wand near the ledge to fend off any opponents who attempt to send her back off of the stage while she tries to get back up. Slight lag as she hoists herself up. Low priority but decent reach.
[Below Moderate Damage & Below Moderate Knockback]
100% Ledge Attack: Blooming Retaliation - Lip sticks her wand over the ledge, which buds up before quickly opening up into a very large flower. Slight lag as she hoists herself up. Medium priority and decent reach.
[Below Moderate Damage & Moderate Knockback]
Get Up Attack: Graceful Fairy - Lip gracefully twirls herself back up to her feet, her Wand hitting opponents as she spins around. No start up or ending lag. It can hit on both sides but does not juggle opponents but, rather, knocks them off to the side. Good priority and has a slightly disjointed hitbox.
[Minor Damage & Moderate Knockback]
100% Get Up Attack: Hot Headed Fairy - Lip ungracefully swipes her Wand on both sides of her as she tries to get back on her feet, it appears her opponent may have made her a bit mad. Slight start up and ending lag as she seems a bit....angry. Despite doing more damage than her Get Up attack, it has slightly less priority. However, it has a great reach and knocks opponents away.
[Moderate Damage & High Knockback. If the move connects with an opponent, a Flower will grow on their head.]
Side Smash: Pollen Power - Lip clutches her Flower Wand with both hands and winds it up with rotations of her wrists, building up a cloud of pollen, then swings it out with all the force she can muster, causing a small pollen explosion as she swings. It has above average reach and has very good priority compared to some other Smash attacks. However, it has a slow start up lag. The move can be sweetspotted at the tip of the pollen blast but anything past that is sourspotted. It has good priority at the mid point of the Pollen-blast that can even cancel out some weak projectiles such as a semi-charged Samus' Charged Shot or Fox's Laser.
[Moderate Damage & Above Moderate Knockback. If the move connects with an opponent, a Flower grows on their head.]
Up Smash: Sunlit Sparkle - Lip raises her Wand upward, it bulbs up and absorbs the sunlight glowing… When the button is released, it explodes in a puff of Pollen and a large Rainbow appears above Lip! The Rainbow is purely cosmetic. Much like her Side Smash, the Up Smash has excellent reach but even more so due to her arm extension. It has a disjointed hit box. However, it will knock opponents upwards when she raises her hand. It has a long start up lag due to the raising of the wand and the blooming of the flower. In addition, much like her Side Smash, it can be sweetspotted at the tip of the Pollen blast but sourspotted anywhere past that or if Lip launches the opponent into the air from the ground. It has good priority but can be canceled out with stronger attacks such as Link's Dair or Yoshi's Down Special. It has the highest amount of priority during the mid point of the Pollen blast animation, much like her Side Smash.
[Moderate Damage & Above Moderate Knockback. If the move connects with an opponent a Flower grows on their head.]
Down Smash: Thorny Roots - Lip waves her Wand, magical pollen falls to the ground… When the button is released, two thorny roots sprout to Lip’s sides! The size and length of these roots vary from the amount of charge, but they will always cause the same amount of damage and knockback. At full charge, Roses blossom atop the roots. Very long start up lag and moderate ending lag. A very punishable move that is not too reliant as a killing move but serves to deal high amounts of damage. However, once the thorny roots shoot up, this protect her on both sides thus protecting her from damage and effectively giving her some super armor. However, she is vulnerable as soon as the thorny roots begin to shrink back into the ground thus the ending lag. It has a several disjointed hitboxes and does above moderate vertical damage. A uncharged Thorny Root produces two roots on either side. A semi charged root produces three roots; two on one side and one on the other. A fully charged Thorny Root produces four roots; two on both sides. Finally, when the pollen shoots upwards and falls to the ground, it has the chance of dealing 1% damage while the opponent is within the field of its effect and has the potential to rack up around 7% damage. It doesn't deal any hitstun so the opponent is easily able to escape.
[Moderate Damage & Moderate Knockback. If the move connects with an opponent, a Flower grows on their head.]
Neutral Aerial: Pollen Princess - Lip twirls, her Flower Wand emits a mystical pollen that surrounds her. It has a moderate amount of start up lag due to her beginning to twirl. However, the attack hits on both sides. It has several hit boxes. It is a unreliable killing move yet it hitstuns the player thus allowing Lip to continue her rotation; effectively maximizing her damage and poisoning potential. It suffers from landing lag when short-hopped only if in the middle of her rotation. The attack has zero to extremely low priority and one of the lowest for the Nair. However, the attack is notable for allowing the pollen to linger in the air thus dealing damage seconds after Lip has passed by. This is effective when using momentum to spread her damage out while in the middle of a jump.
[Moderate Damage & Below Moderate Knockback. If the move connects with an opponent, a Flower grows on their head.]
Forward Aerial: Flower Rotation- Lip rapidly spins her wand in front of her, the spinning petals damages any opponents who come close. It has little ending lag but not any start up lag. It has good enough priority and can be short hopped. It can OHKO at high percentages but only after the final hit. It juggles opponents; effectively trapping them within the spinning momentum. However, due to the low priority and Lip's vulnerability, she can be punished. It has excellent reach and has a disjointed hitbox.
[Below Moderate Damage & Moderate Knockback (After final hit). If the entire move connects to an opponent, a Flower grows on their head.]
Upward Aerial: Rainbow - Lip swipes her wand above her, the wand constructing a rainbow to follow it’s path. Ironically, one of Lip's strongest basic attack. It does have a small amount of lag and the duration of the attack is longer than most. It can be short hopped and it has excellent reach. The attack does the most amount of damage at the start up. If Lip is able to trap the opponent at the start up of the attack, it forces the opponent to follow the rainbow. Once the rainbow ends, it blasts the opponent upwards. It does cause landing lag when short hopped or if in the middle of the animation during the jump. As well, Lip is vulnerable during and after the attack but has a considerable amount of super armor during the rainbow forming animation. The rainbow has excellent priority and one of the best. The attack also slightly boosts Lip into the air.
[High Damage & Moderate Knockback]
Backward Aerial: Feisty Fairy - Lip pulls her legs up and thrusts them both out back, laying flat in the air briefly, before curling up to right herself. If she lands on her front while in the middle of this move, she makes a distinct "Oof!" on landing. While not a worthless move, it is risky due to the vulnerability to attack during and after the attack. The attack has horrible ending and landing lag. After kicking backwards, it takes her around 5-6 seconds before returning to normal. By this time, she is usually close to landing. It has considerable landing lag; especially when short hopped. However, it does a high amoount of damage, knock back, and has considerable reach. The attack has good priority as well. She is much vulnerable from above and below throughout the attack thus making it a risky one to pull off; especially in a group match.
[Moderate Damage & Above Moderate Knockback]
Downward Aerial: Comet Wand - Lip twists in the air to swing her wand below herself. It has zero start up, ending, or landing lag and has an effective attack if not one of her most reliable aerials. It is also an effective killing attack if performed over the stage. It then becomes a meteor strike. It has fairly good reach and decent priority. She is vulnerable above but, as the attack follows a horizontal trajectory, it hits the opponents on both sides as well.
[Moderate Damage, Moderate Knockback, and Spikes Opponents. If the move connects with an opponent, a Flower grows on their head.]
Grab - Lip uses her free hand to grab an opponent. Quick.
Pummel - Lip taps the opponent’s head with her Wand. About the same speed as Marth's pummel.
[Minor Damage & No Knockback. This move causes a flower to grow on the opponent’s head.]
Forward Throw - Lip pushes her opponent forward with both hands, she almost falls over after completing the move. She says "Hya!" as she pushes the opponent. It is a rather quick throw that suffers from ending lag as she falls off balance. The attack knocks opponents forward but it is a rather unreliable at OHKO'ing the opponent.
[Moderate Damage & Moderate Knockback]
Upward Throw - Lip waves her Flower Wand and a gorgeous Flower pops out of the ground from underneath Lip’s opponent, it sends her opponent upwards. It does vertical knock back when thrown upwards. It has a slight ending lag when the flower pops up and throws the opponent upwards. The flower vanishes shortly after the opponent is thrown up. Lip watches slightly as the opponent shoots up. It is a reliable OHKO that can OHKO around 220%.
[Moderate Damage & Moderate Knockback]
Backward Throw - Lip grabs her opponent and jumps over the opponent, spiking the opponent into the ground. It works as a spike and does vertical knock back. It is a very quick yet weak throw. It can be punished as she performs the throw.
[Below Moderate Damage & Moderate Knockback]
Downward Throw - Lip pulls her opponent closer, throws them down and jumps onto them, hopping off of them like off a trampoline. She bounces twice which 2% damage for each jump. Each jump does not do any knockback save for the very last jump where she builds energy in midair and finally slams down. It hits the opponent upwards. It is a rather long throw and longer than her U-Throw. The only problem behind this throw that Lip's throw can be canceled out by another attack. It is reliable as racking up damage as well as knocking up the opponent at the final jump.
[Moderate Damage & Moderate Knockback]
Neutral Special: Panel - Lip takes her wand and uses it to create an arching projectile towards the opponent. Although it will usually be one of the heart Panels from Panel de Pon, sometimes a different panel like a star or circle will appear instead. As mentioned above, if a panel connects with the opponent, the strength of her draining effect will be 50% stronger. Heart Panels will gradually add to their percentage while taking from her own for 5 seconds if it hits an opponent, effectively making it a health-draining move in addition to the 50% damage boost. Other panels will simply cause more damage.
[Minor Damage & Minor Knockback. This move causes a flower to grow on the opponent’s head.]
Side Special: Quick-Swap - Lip quickly forms a ball of sparkles from her wand in front of her that act as a relatively slow moving projectile. If it connects with an opponent, they immediately teleport to where one another was and switch places. The slow speed makes it hard to stall out or camp, but still leaves potential for setting up combos by manipulating the opponent's placement. Perhaps Lip could even score a KO whilst saving herself if Lip risks jumping off the edge while the opponent touches the projectile in a high-risk-high-reward strategy. The quick execution at the start otherwise gives the move utility within close range as something of a counter.
[Minor Damage & No Knockback.]
Up Special: Watabou - Lip takes out her Watabou, a strange fluffy creature that flies off as it pulls Lip up on a string. During this, Lip takes her wand behind her and sprinkles fairy dust below, letting her shower opponents from below with the flower effect. This move does no knockback whatsoever to opponents, but makes a good recovery in that its duration lasts for 3 seconds like Pit's, allowing her to use it vertically or horizontally for great effect.
[Minor Damage & No Knockback from the fairy dust. No Damage & Knockback otherwise.]
Down Special: Garbage Block - Lip's strongest move in terms of knockback and a staple finishing move. Lip raises her wand and a cloud appears above her. For a second, the player can control which way the cloud goes horizontally. Afterwards, the cloud dissipates to reveal holding a garbage block, falling down quickly and sending the foe flying should it hit. It's an easy killing move for opponents with high percentages, but is very hard to make use of before the opponent has had a lot of poison damage priorhand.
[Moderate Damage & Moderate Knockback. This move causes a flower to grow on the opponent’s head.]
Final Smash: Panel de Pon - Lip flies off into the air, trailing flower pedals as she does so, before standing on a cloud at the top right part of the screen. UI appears over the screen, showing the setup for a game of Panel de Pon itself. For 10 seconds, the player plays a game of Panel de Pon, where they must clear as many sets of 3 blocks as possible. If the screen fills up completely with panels, then the player loses and the Final Smash fails. However, if 10 seconds are up and the player gets at least one set of 3 blocks cleared, then the Panel de Pon grid disappears and Lip summons a gigantic garbage block, the size being determined by how well the player did during Panel de Pon. Like her down special, Lip gets but a moment to control where the garbage block will fall. When it does fall, it drops very quickly and through the stage and likely KOing an opponent at triple digit percentage due to its high damage output and knockback.
[Heavy Damage & Heavy Knockback]
Up Taunt - Lip throws her fist in the air and says "Yatta!" (Might be localised as: "Yeah!")
Side Taunt - Lip takes a flower and smells it. Suddenly she makes a powerful sneeze, blowing off the petals of that poor flower.
[The sneeze can push her opponents, but just a little bit.]
Down Taunt - Lip floats up, while enveloped by a gust that spins around her while carrying petals around.
Losing Pose - Lip sits down and cries.
Victory #1 - Lip hops continuosly while saying Yatta!, but suddenly slips and falls on the ground, sitting. She smiles awkwardly while rubbing her behind and looks at the camera.
Victory #2 - Lip sits on her big yellow flower (as in the menu in Panel de Pon), and sits on it, while saying "Did you have fun?" in Japanese.
Victory #3 - Lip's rabbit runs to her as she grabs it's paws and spins it around once playfully. Lip then holds the rabbit on her lap and winks for the camera.[/collapse][/collapse]
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Appearances:
Panel De Pon (1994)
Planet Puzzle League (2007)
Captain Rainbow (2008)
Series Emblem: http://i.imgur.com/idpiT.png
Statistics:
Size: 4/10 (Her size is slighly same as Diddy's.)
Weight: 2.5/10
Power: 5/10
Speed:7/10
Jump:8/10 (Very Light)
- Overview -
- Lip's primary weapon is her flower magic which utilisizes flowers and other natural plantlife as it's inspiration. For stronger attacks, she uses her stick which plants a flower on her enemies and sap up their power, increasing damage.
Shortly she'll be a mix of Ivysaur and Zelda, except replacing grass powers with flower magic.
-She's very light, considering she's a fairy: in fact, she can actually "hop" on the air three times. This gives her 3 midair jumps.
Unfortunately her lightness makes her easy to juggle and KO in smaller percentages than most of the cast, but the three extra jumps make up for it.
-Along the battle, Lip tends to emit and drop flower petals to the ground, much like Pit losing his feathers. This also happens when she's knocked far away.
Character Animations.
Entrance: A rainbow comes from the other side of the screen. Lip runs down from it, jumps off to the stage and quickly raises her stick, which opens and spreads it's petals, saying "Ikuso!" while looking at the camera. This then switches to her stance animation.
Origin: Rainbows were her main means of transportation in Panel De Pon, so this is spot-on for her as an entrance. See here: http://i.imgur.com/3FvQB.png
Also, everytime she had arrived at her cursed friend's destination, she would also raise her stick and say same words above: The stick also would open up it's petals by itself. See that here: http://i.imgur.com/DHlZp.png
Stance: She rocks her body carefreely, while smiling. Surely, the Smash World isn't a stressful place for a fairy which has competed in her own puzzle game.
Origin: See her sprite in Vs Mode of PDP. This is also referred to her usual stance when you talk to her in Captain Rainbow.
Idle Animations:
1. When some moment has passed, she'll hop up from the ground and starts to float for few seconds.To give you the idea, she's attempting to float like Mewtwo from Melee.
After two seconds when she confidently tries to keep herself on the air, she suddenly loses control and falls down clumsily. Lip quickly gets up back to her usual stance.
Origin: Her floatiness is inspired by how she tends to make funny flips and stances occasionally in Captain Rainbow, somewhat. Also this is in context that she's very light, and can use her magic powers to float herself. Although it seems she's not yet very good at controlling it.
2. Occassionally she'll groom herself, but suddenly she sees how flowers start to grow around her. She crouches down to look at them admiredly, and then gets up.
Special Moves
B: Fairy Seed (Varying Damage and Knockback)
- Lip throws out a colored seed. The seeds come in six colors, red, green, cyan, violet and blue.
If it latches on an opponent, they're "marked", as the seed stays on them. Pressing B again makes her throw another seed, sometimes different-colored. Lip can latch three seeds on her enemies, though the opponent can be shake them off if you rapidly mash the buttons or the shake the control stick.
The catch here though is not to throw seeds on the opponents only. If the opponent is "seeded" and Lip presses B while near him, she starts to bat the opponent tactically with her stick, dealing quick damage. The seed grows by every hit of the stick, in three phases: it starts as a seed, becomes a sprout, then stem, and finally blooms into a flower. By every phase, the damage upon hitting the opponent builds up in strength.
If Lip hits the flower, it explodes, which has decent to semi-high knockback, depending on how many seeds you've planted on your enemy, or the seeds' type.
The more seeds you've planted, the more longer you can continue your attack, Lip grows only one seed at time (shortly it means if you planted two seeds, you can attack six times.)
- Different kind of seeds (and thus flowers) do different kind of status effects while attacking.
1.Green Seed. (Represents Green Circle Block from PDP, appears 40% of the time) No status effect, flower is something ordinary. damage: 2% per hit, no knockback.
2. Yellow Seed (Represents Yellow Star Block from PDP, appears 40% of the time) - Flower might be a daisy or a sunflower? Spark element, 2-3%. per hit.
3. Red Seed (Red Heart Block, appears 30% of the time) Fiery, effect, would be fiery flower, to codify this we might put in a Fire Flower as the growing flower. 4-6% per hit.
4.Purple Seed (Purple Diamond Block, appears 20% of the time) - Dark element, poisons, damage: 8-9 per knockback.
A poisoned, or disturbing-looking flower.
5. Cyan Seed (Cyan Triangle Block, appears 10% of the time), Icy effect, 10%-12% per hit. Enemies are frozen for quick period if the flower is exploded. A shardy flower.
6. Blue Seed (Blue Upside Down Triangle, appears 10% of the time), 13%-15 per hit, fiery explosion occurs if you explode the flower, with a huge knockback.
7.Grey Seed (Represents the !-panels which give a garbage block without needing to combo or chain. appears 10% at time), 13-16% per hit, huge knockback.
Sometimes Lip would throw a black dud seed which absorbs the damage from the stick and doesn't do any damage or knockback. This prevents this special move to be overpowered.
- The effective way to use this is to throw decent amounts of seeds, depending on your skill. You must also press the button quickly to deal the damage and carry the combo to the end.
Why is this is because if you can go on growing the seeds planted on your enemy successfully, your attack builds on power by every hit until the end of the combo. (Think like Fury Cutter from PKMN.)
So, the more seeds = harder it is to execute the combo to the end, but it also deals more damage and knockback than just with one seed.
- When you hit the enemy with a seed on it, a combo marker (from Panel De Pon) shows your current hits as the combo. Say, if you land six hits (by planting two seeds on your enemy), you get a 6x chain combo with a fanfare.
Origin: I had to think a for a long time until I came up with an unique way to give her a great alternative that translates the combo system of Panel De Pon, while keeping her incharacter and making use of her powers. This took me sometime to write out thoughtfully.
The seeds represent the tiles used in Puzzle League and the method hitting the seed three times until it explodes is a translated from the mechanic making three same tiles to connect: http://i.imgur.com/7lY7Q.png
The mechanic of growing each seed in succession is again based on chain system used in Puzzle League: in order to chain, you had to first connect three tiles as usual, then arrange quickly three another same tiles in quick succession to create a chain:
Step 1: http://i.imgur.com/c2MZa.png
Step 2: http://i.imgur.com/7c2XK.png
Step 3: http://i.imgur.com/XnXaH.png
This is present in this special by the technique of trying to grow each seed in quick succession,which builds up the attacks' power.
Also, the skill plays a great role here: the more seeds you have used on the opponent, the more it's easier for them to drop, but it's more rewarding to carry the combo to the end, as the move builds in power everytime you hit your enemies, and if really carried on to the end, can do considerately high damage and knockback: this references on the hard aspect of "skillchaining" which is a technique where you skillfully keep chaining on and on in Puzzle League, which becomes very rewarding at the end:
Step 1: http://i.imgur.com/INe4R.png
Step 2: http://i.imgur.com/40FC5.png
Conclusion: http://i.imgur.com/xcfnj.png and http://i.imgur.com/qKA0z.png
(BTW, The rule of chaining a lot and mastering it applies to many puzzle games out there, too. Look at Puyo Puyo for example.)
The fanfare of course comes from the Puzzle League-series in general: when you pull off 3x chain in Puzzle League, you're met with a congratulating fanfare, that gets more applauding if you chain longer. This time in SSB4, Lip gets this fanfare only if she successfully grows two seeds or more.
Kirby Hat: Kirby gains Lip's ponytail, complete with the pink ribbon! He gains the ability to use Fairy Seeds and also can make them grow with his replica of Lip's Stick.
See the reference here: http://supersmashbrosdesign.webs.com.../kirbylip2.jpg
Side B: Quick Swap (8%, electric horizontal knockback.)
- Lip waves her wand forwards: suddenly, a glowing, luminent- lines shaped like the "cursor" from Puzzle League-games appears around Lip- also the another side of it appears in front of her. Lip then pulls her stick back while holding it with both of her hands, which makes the cursor swap the position of Lip and her target at her front lightning fast. Lip also goes through people with this move, which deals some damage and electric stun knockback.
- This can be used on one opponent or projectiles. This is quite an unique dodge maneuver technique for Lip, as you can move your opponents behind you, and even dodge projectiles this way. For example, if you see a Bob-Omb being thrown at you, you dodge it by letting it swap places with Lip and then continue it's direction. Lip can't get hit by projectiles because how cursor makes her temporarily invicible for the moment of swapping, which renders her very fast.
- If Quick Swap is used on a barrel, crate, Wario Bike or similar heavy items, Lip has little lag (as she pulls it with laboured expression her face.), and can't attack with it.
- There's also one minor mechanic implemented on this: as Lip can catch an opponent or an item, and switch places with him/it, or she can pull of few advanced techniques:
Passing The Bad Baton: If you've been just being thrown out of the stage, but you're making it near the edge to grab on, you might expect your opponent be there "edgeguarding" it, right?
If you time it right and use Quick Swap successfully right near your enemy, you'll swap the places with your opponent, which enables you to reach the ground successfully, being at your enemy's former place, while your opponent take your role as the one falling down on the stage, taking damage and some knockback which blows them farther away after the swap-- if they're just using an attack them makes them helpless, good for you, as they're rendered numb in midair after. Watch them plummet to their doom.
Drop The Tile: Also, when you're on an object ignoring gravity, for example, a floating platfom, you can tactically drop a dangerous item behind you by Quick Swapping it to make it hit opponents below you. This though is trickier to pull off, depending on the stage, and the items themselves- which is why it's more of a minor technique. An ideal items to pull this is a Smart Bomb, or a Crate. This technique is loosely based on the mechanic of being able to drop tiles in Panel De Pon:http://i.imgur.com/9oaAp.png
Origin: Quick Swap refers to the core mechanic of Puzzle League that uses a cursor to swap tiles around. See these pictures for it:
The Cursor: http://i.imgur.com/yeSlr.png
The Swapping: http://i.imgur.com/qHRBw.png
Dropping The Tile: http://i.imgur.com/9oaAp.png
Dropping the tiles have also translated for this move, albeit minorly as dropping enemies of the edge like in Yoshi's Egg Lay, albeit it doesn't paralyze them, or using the above mentioned "Drop The Tile"-technique.
Up B: Watabou (12% Damage, Medium Knockback.)
- The floating, fluffy balloon-like creature in which Lip is holding on in title screen for Panel de Pon appears to aid Lip. When you press Up-B, Watabou appears from underneath of Lip and catches a breeze, which makes it float up. Lip quickly grabs it's tail and holds into it, while drifting upward signifantly.
- Watabou though can't carry Lip long: it acts like a cotton flower, which is first taken with a windy breeze, then losing it after a moment, so it has to descend on the ground. Lip can hold into it while descending down, but after a while when Watabou loses the breeze, it will become heavier and starts to fall down with Lip.
When used on the ground, Lip jumps up and does the same, but the enemies near her are damaged by Watabou rapidly (like in Peach's Parasol) and at the top height of attack's range, the creature explodes into fluff of cotton! This deals 12% and decent knockback.
(This is intended to refer at Dr.Mario's Super Jump Punch.)
Origin: As mentioned above, Watabou appears at title screen for Panel De Pon. I took a cue from Floaty Fluffs from Super Mario Galaxy and made it like a huge cotton flower for Lip to glide on.
See Lip holding into Watabou here: http://i.imgur.com/5fZdL.png
Down B: Garbage Block. (16 - 27% Damage, Medium-High Horizontal Knockback)
- This is a chargaeble attack. Lip spins her wand around as it builds in magical power (which can be charged 4 seconds), and when you release the button, she shouts "Ikuso! while pointing her stick to the sky.
Suddenly, a pink, smiling garbage block decorated with floral patterns will rain down on front of her. Lip takes a second to do this attack and then become controllable again. Using this attack in the air renders Lip helpless.
- These will deal up to 15, to 27% damage, depending how long you've charged your garbage block. Lip can charge for 5 seconds, but is open to attack.
Garbage Blocks are great for stalling, but their best use comes from edgeguarding, as the Garbage Blocks (naturally) can meteor smash opponents if they're in midair.
- A regular, small block does 15% damage. However, the more you charge your attack, the more bigger garbage blocks you can summon, even up to five platforms high. 1 time of 15, Lip can get lucky and summon some extra junk blocks after the one she's charged attack on, which are regular, uncharged ones.
- When a garbage block has landed on the ground, it act can be picked up and thrown to act as an additional platform. Depending on it's size it gets heavier and more difficult to throw it up, if even pick it up at all. Lip can have only two of these garbage blocks on the ground. These are breakable like the platforms in Skyworld-stage in Brawl. The regular junk blocks have the same damage meter needed to be depleted to break them, but their durability increases in their size.
Origin: Puzzle League-series of course pit you use combos and chains to make garbage drop on your opponent. The more combo's you scored, the more wider your block became. The more you scored chains, it started to get layers and grow bigger:
Here's how it is like when you chain it once: (2x) http://i.imgur.com/B0ILE.png
And here's when you chain it two times (x3): http://i.imgur.com/3eEoh.png
and here's how you chain it three times: (x4):http://i.imgur.com/YBcB9.png
And have also look at how huge it is when it's been chained four times. (x5): http://i.imgur.com/zlBlN.png
Lip's garbage blocks will borrow her original design for them, which was referenced by Kirby's Stone-move in SSBM/SSBB.
Final Smash: Walk On Rainbow (Varying Damage of 10-80%, No Knockback)
" Before you read, I hugely recommend that you take a look at the origin of this move below, so you'll understand more how this move works like."
After you break the Smash Ball, the stage's background gets little cloudy- Suddenly, a huge feminine figure emerges in the same style as Palutena in Pit's Final Smash.
That's Lip's mother, Cordelia- She makes the stage much sunnier, while there's some drippling rain coming down. As the clouds go away, Lip looks delightedly up the sky. A rainbow slowly starts appear above her, (about a width of that of Battlefield) which is above the stage. She'll then run on top of it. This scenario takes though 3 seconds (Kinda like how Pit's Final Smash begins)
Now you get a another screen which lets you play Puzzle League! Score combos and chains by swapping the tiles and making same tiles connect with each other. As you score combos and chains like usually in Puzzle League-games, you build up Lip's power to her wand.
After 10-second play, the screen disappears, and Lip will unleash a huge flower spell that spreads across the stage. The effectiveness of the Final Smash is based on your skill: the range and the amount of flowers, the durability of the flowers on enemies' heads, and how rapidly they increase their damage meter.
Along with it Lip fills the stage in flowers of all kind as a temporary decoration (similar to how Mario Final leaves some flickering flare on ground after travelling along it.)-- The flowers though aren't there as temporary decoration: it seemingly slows down the characters. Thus, when Lip falls down from the rainbow after it poofs off at the end of the Final Smash, she can go knock her slowly-moving opponents out.
Tips Regarding The Final Smash
- To give this move a catch so it will not be overpowered, her attack isn't very effective if it's used on the ground, because the range of flower spell will be quite small, even if you score very well done chains and combos. Lip also can be hit during the time when she tries to pull of her final smash on the rainbow, and if hit enough times (depending on her damage), she'll flinch and loses control.
This is why you need to activate the Final Smash while being as high above the stage as you can: Lip's flower spell gets more range the more she's above the ground, and opponents also can't hit you so easily.
- While the enemies. enemies can also avoid being trapped in the huge flowerbed by staying airborne, but still, there's the flowers they have to remove. At the end, as mentioned above, the more well you do in scoring and make sure you use the final smash as high as you can above the stage, the more harder is for your opponents to avoid it and it's effects.
- As mentioned above, this move gets more effective and is very suited for you if you have played Puzzle League before, and are familiar with comboing and chaining.
How then, you ask?
As seen in Puzzle League/Panel De Pon in general, you don't though get very high score by just making three tiles connect together all the time: the combo's and more importantly, chains, give more points to add on your score than just regular tile connecting. So try to learn comboing and chaining, to really makes this Final Smash a killer. I recommend learning to skillchain, because that might really make your score get huge.
Thus, as you can see, Walk On The Rainbow's power depends on your skill, which is in context with Puzzle League's underlying competitive manner.
Origin: When browsing internet about what Lip was suggested to have as her Final Smash, I was dumbfounded by the fact that everyone thinks her final smash should consist her using panels and junk block to attack her opponent.
But of course, back in that time, I didn't any better clue as well, since I didn't anything that would be more incharacter to her.
Long time after, I started to watch a walkthrough of Captain Rainbow.
As the game's theme was to to help Nintendo's forgotten characters, there were one to two main missions to help them.(Lip had two missions)
In second mission where Nick regained his powers to create a rainbow above him, he had to help Lip on her second mission: at near end of it, he made out a huge rainbow for her. Lip ran on it, and then, she pulled of the same flower spell all over Mimin Island, filling many places in flowers.
Here's the video which showcases this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sIF9...ailpage#t=304s
This kind of magic spell as her final smash is more incharacter for her, besides Lip has always ran on rainbows during PDP: this has been referred on Captain Rainbow where she has a drawing on her room depicting herself on a rainbow. She also ran on a rainbow end credits of Panel De Pon. (Of course, Yoshi followed the suit
Shortly this Final Smash describes her love for rainbows and her powers a Flower Fairy. Also the mechanic is of Final Smash has been centered playing of Puzzle League/Panel De Pon successfully, to let Puzzle League-fans give out their best of their skill when they use it.
Taunts:
Up Taunt: Lip throws her fist in the air and says "Yatta!" (Might be localised as: "Yeah!" )
Origin: Refers to her sprite from her stage in PDP when in one-player. She would always say ”Yatta!” when winning in the game, be it VS mode, 1P mode, etc.
See the pose here: http://i.imgur.com/K75Y2.png
Side Taunt: Lip takes a flower and smells it. Suddenly she makes a powerful sneeze, blowing off the petals of that poor flower.
The sneeze can push her opponents, but just a little bit.
Origin: According to Captain Rainbow she has developed an allergy for flowers, which Nick can help cure by getting her a medicine from Crazy Tracy's mansion.
The taunt also her humorous, seeing as she's ironically a "Fairy of Flowers".
Have a look at this origin here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...lXQwzgj1w#t=2s
Down Taunt: Lip floats up, while enveloped by a gust that spins around her while carrying petals around.
Origin: Might be inspired by Lip's backdrop art from PDP which also had petals flying around her.
Victory Poses
1. Lip hops continuosly while saying Yatta!, but suddenly slips and falls on the ground, sitting. She smiles awkwardly while rubbing her behind and looks at the camera.
Origin: In Score Attack, when you get to last stage which features Thanatos, Lip had to use her powers to defeat him. When Lip gains victory, she'd hop happily and continuosly, while Thanatos plummets (somewhere) on his doom.
Here's the video showcasing this scene and Lip hopping for her victory afterwards: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...cv2U24nM#t=45s
The clumsiness is just there to make sure it's not a copy of Ice Climbers' Up Taunt in Brawl and one of their victory poses. Besides, it'll look quite cute.
2. Lip sits on her big yellow flower (as in the menu in Panel de Pon), and sits on it, while saying "Did you have fun?" in japanese.
Origin: As mentioned above the flower where she sits on is taken directly from Panel De Pon's menu: http://i.imgur.com/7SVok.png
The phrase she says in japanese is also taken from the second tutorial in tutorial mode of Panel De Pon where she would greet the player with almost same manner: http://i.imgur.com/wr8Nr.png
3. Lip's rabbit runs to her as she grabs it's paws and spins it around once playfully. Lip then holds the rabbit on her lap and winks for the camera.
Origin: Lip has a rabbit on her stage in single player mode for Panel De Pon (Endless, Time Attack, Puzzle, etc)
Lose Pose: Lip's sitting on the ground, looking sad while she looks to the grounded gloomily. In a common tradition for Puzzle League-series having characters, a panel occassionally drops on her.
Origin: When you get a game over in Panel De Pon, Lip's doing the same pose while panels are dropped on her. The pose looks like: this:http://www.intsys.co.jp/game/panepon/img/g/hana2.gif
Also, the tradition of dropping panels on the player in game over has occurred for Yoshi in Tetris Attack, and Ash in PKMN Puzzle League- This is kept intact for Lip in her losing pose.
See here: http://i.imgur.com/15jXz.png[/collapse]
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~~ Lip, the Flower Fairy ~~​

Originally appearing as major character in the first installment of the Panel de Pon-series (outside of Japan Tetris Attack), Lip is the fairy of flowers. Her magic resolves around nature and flowers. But don't underestimate this young girl, as she is fairly strong. Only few people can compete with her when it comes to magical power, so keep an eye out!
Stats​

Screen Name:

Lip​

Size:

5/10​

Weight:

2.5/10​

(Running) Speed:

5/10​

Power:

3/10 (though some move of her are fairly strong - check out the move section for more information)​

First Jump:

7/10 - Lip hops into the air​

Second Jump:

4/10 - Lip somersaults slowly while going only a little higher​

Fall Speed:

3/10 (Floaty, but not extremely so)​

Crouch:

Yes.​

Crawl:

No.​

Wall Jump:

No.​

Wall Cling:

No.​

ATTACKS

Legend:​

Attack

: ​

Attack Name

- Description with damage indicator​

Standard Attacks
A, A

: ​

Slap

- Lip slaps, first normally, then backhanded. It comes out fast, but does only little knockback. Damage: 3% for each hit.​

Ftilt

: ​

Backhand

- A bit stronger backhand slap, the knockback is, for a tilt, fairly decent, and she has to recover. Damage: 6%​

Utilt

: ​

Magic Powder

- She raises her hand upwards and throws some kind of fairy dust, which takes a triangle form, in the air. The range of this attack is good, but knockback isn't that high. Damage: 8%​

Dtilt

: ​

Stick Poke

- Finally, Lip's Stick makes an entrance. Lip points her stick in the direction she is looking it. The attack comes out extremely fast and flowers the enemy and has nice knockback. The range goes only little beyond Lip's body. Damage: 8%​

Smash Attacks
Fsmash

: ​

Stick Smash

- She plainly bats with her own rod and hits the enemy like other characters do if using her stick as an item, however, it has better knockback than the item. If she carries a Lip's Stick-item, she will use her own, however, the flower takes the size of two hits. Damage: 17%​

Usmash

: ​

Mystic Flower

- Once again a hit with her staff. It's straight upwards. If she stabbed her rod upwards, a small cloud of magic will come out to make a second blow. The first hit does more damage but has low knockback, the second hit does the knockback, but only low damage. Damage: 15%, then 6%​

Dsmash

: ​

Fairy Tango

- Lip's worst smash attack, she tilts her hips to both sides. It has extremely low range and knockback, but is useful for clearing space if getting attacked by more than one person. Damage: 7% in each direction​

Aerial Attacks
Nair

: ​

Magic Swirl

- Lip turns around in the air, using magic coming out from her hands. It's a little slow and has, since Lip is small, not that good range, but its knockback is not that bad. Damage: 7%​

Fair

: ​

Fairy Sweep

- Lip does an elegant sweep with her right hand and the coming out magic. Fast with good knockback, but again bad range. Damage: 8%​

Bair

: ​

Flower Kick

- Lip kicks behind her. This move has a sweetspot, which would be her toetip. If she connects with it, the move is comparable to Falcon's Knee of Judgement. If she doesn't, the move is utter crap. Damage: If fully connected: 20%, if not 5%​

Uair

: ​

Magic Sweep

- Lip sweeps her magiced hand above her head. It's much like Fair, just upwards. Damage: 10%​

Dair

: ​

Fairy Kick

- First Lip "drills" her legs down, and then does a split with them. This attack has incredible range (well, for Lip's small body, anyway) and comes out incredibly fast, but, with most of her attacks, the knockback is not very good. Damage: "Drill" 7%, "Split" 8%​

Situational Attacks
Dash Attack

: ​

Stick Swing

- Lip bats her stick in front of her like some beginner a sword. Compared to most of her other attacks, it's pretty good, but it comes out slow and needs much recovery - the knockback is fairly good, though. Damage: 9%​

Ledge Sweep (under 100%)

- Lip backflips onto the ledge, kicking whoever stands too ​

close
Ledge Sweep (over 100%)

- She pulls herself up and bellyslides over the ground, clawing around with her hand​

Get up Attack (under 100%)

- Lip hops onto her feet, punching in both directions and then turning sidewards again.​

Get up Attack (over 100%)

- Sweeping with a magiced hand, she struggles herself back up to her feet.
Specials​

B

: ​

Panel

- Lip sweeps her stick, summoning a Panel flying in a ballistic curve into the direction. The effect of the block depends on what colour it has, and some are more seen than others:
Yellow (Star, appears 40% of the time)
- No element, damage: 4%
Green (Circle, appears 20% of the time)
- No element, adds flower effect to the enemy, damage: 8%
Purple (Diamond, appears 20% of the time)
- Dark element, poisons, damage: 10%
Red (Heart, appears 10% of the time)
- Fire element, explodes on contact, high knockback when exploding, damage: when hitting 5%, explosion 10%
Cyan (Triangle, appears 10% of the time)
- Ice element, freezes enemy on contact, damage: 25%
Like Peach's veggies, the Panels can be grabbed by an opponent in the air, and thrown back. Other than that, the Panels work the same like said vegetables.​

B side

: ​

Fairy Dust

- Lip blows a cloud of fairy dust. It flies slowly and slightly above the ground. It has the aproximate range of one of Luigi's fireballs, and pretty much works kinda the same. Damage: 6%​

B up:Flower Glide

- Lip pulls out her stick, turning it into a giant blowball while jumping into the air, and slowly glides umbrella-esque down. This move does no damage.​

B down:Garbage Block

- Lip calls down a small garbage block from the air. Lip stops wherever she is (she is also not floating down in midair) until the block is coming down. This means she can cover areas with these blocks, however only with time windows in between. The block itself lands and breaks on the first obstacle it hits, and does pretty much the same knockback as Kirby's Stone move, though its flaw is that it's not coming out as fast as Stone. Damage: 18%
Grabs, Throws
Note: Generally Lip's throws are pretty weak in sending the enemies fly - I spare myself typing that at every throw.​

Grab and Pummel

- Lip grabs her opponent at their collar and slaps them. (Medium speed, 2% per hit)​

F throw

- Lip pulls her enemy close and bats them with her stick. (Flower on enemy, 8% damage)​

B throw

- Same as F Throw, just with Lip turning herself around while batting. (Flower on enemy, 10% damage)​

U throw

- Lip simply grabs the enemy, pulls them closer and throws them up. (Sends straight upwards, 7% damage)​

D throw

- Lip pulls her opponent closer, throws them down and jumps onto them, hopping off of them like off a trampoline. (Enemy stays laying on the ground, 13% damage)
Misc. Animations​

Sleeping

- She curls up like an infant and dozes cutely. Awww...​

Dizzy

- She stands, shaky, while moaning painfully​

Final Smash
Tetris Attack

Lip exclaims "Ikuso, Panerus!" and jumps in the air. Suddenly a wall of Panels raises from the ground (see Iceberg). If the enemy touches a green panel, they'll get flowered, at a purple panel, they'll get poisoned, red ones explode when they're touched and cyan ones freeze them. The "used" panel turns into a blank one and disappears after a while. You can only stay unharmed when you're placed on a yellow panel. Garbage Blocks randomly fall from above, too. Lip is not affected by any of the panel effects or blocks, whatsoever.
The Final Smash is finished with the panels going down, leaving the stage as it was, and Cordelia, the final boss of Panel de Pon, appears in the background, and blows a comet onto the center of the stage, which explodes an a not too big burst. After this, Lip appears again where she was standing.
Taunts​

Up

- Lip does a little victory dance.​

Side

- Lip turns around to look at the back of her skirt, wiping some dust off.​

Down

- She puts up her thumb and says "Yay!"
Entrance
A big yellow flower appears and Lip jumps out of it, the flower then disappearing.​

Alternative costumes

Yellow Shirt, pink skirt and bow in her hair, brown boots, reddish brown hair ​

(default)

Red shirt and hairbow, light pink skirt and boots, blonde hair ​

("Barbie Lip", set for Red Team)

Green shirt and skirt, orange-green bow in her hair, brown boots, mud brown hair ​

(resembling Forest Fairy Thiana from Panel de Pon, set for Green Team)

White shirt, skirt, and boots, deep blue hair, purple hairbow ​

(resembling Water Fairy Elias from Panel de Pon, set for Blue Team)

Purple skirt and shirt, white hairbow, green hair, purple boots ​

(resembling Ocean Fairy Neris from Panel de Pon)

Black shirt, boots and hair, red hairbow and gray skirt.​

("Emo Lip")

Victory Poses​

Up

- Lips spins around several times, then hops, saying "Yatta!". The hopping is looped.​

Down

- Lip sits on her big yellow flower (as in the menu in Panel de Pon), winking at the viewer and giggling.​

Side

- Lip smiles, holding up her stick, which is blooming and glowing slightly
Additional Stuff~​

Codec Converation

Snake: Mei Ling. There's a small girl wielding a giant flower.
Mei Ling: That's Lip, Snake. She's the fairy of flowers, and what she uses is her magical wand.
Snake: A fairy? This place sure gets odder every second I'm here.
Mei Ling: Watch out for her attacks. Her magic contains parasitic flowers which will drain your lifeforce.
Snake: So you mean she uses vampire plants?
Mei Ling: Yes. Be careful, Snake. She also will shoot blocks at you, which can on occasion explode.
Snake: Cute little girls having such vicious flowers as pets and throwing bombs in block form. I should get myself used to seeing a lot of strange and surprising things here.​

Kirby Hat

Lip's ponytail and the bow.​

Wii Remote Sound

Magic Sound and an "Ikuso!"​

Unlock Message

Lip, the magic wielding fairy of the flowers, has joined the fight!​

Role in Subspace Emissary

Lip's role is rather small. In the part of the story where Olimar gets attacked by the giant ROB, Lip wants to save him and his Pikmin, however is interrupted by Captain Falcon's attack. At the end of that cutscene, after Falcon sled through Olimar's Pikmin, she stands along with Olimar and the Red Pikmin. She's playable in that sub-storyline from then on.​

Logo

Kinda like this... I know it sucks, but I think it gives you the idea.​

Victory Theme

A short version of the Panel de Pon victory theme.​

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• Lati9's Moveset (Devianart)

[collapse=ChronoBound's Moveset]Lip is a character who uses a disjointed hitbox as her primary means of attack. Swords and hammers have generally been the only disjointed hitbox weapons in the Smash series. The Lip’s Stick offers a variety of new attacks because its properties differ from that of a sword or a hammer. The stick will be twirled and spinned a lot, as opposed to slashing, stabbing, and clobbering that is associated with swords and hammers. Also, while the flower sprouting from an opponent’s head is a famous attribute of Lip’s Stick thanks to the Smash Bros. series, it never actually happened in the Panel de Pon games. However, since this attribute has become famous due to the Smash series, I have decided to incorporate it with the moveset, though the flower sprouting only happens when Lip does a smash-a attack.
However, there is more Lip’s moveset than the use of Lip’s Stick. Obviously, when you attack your opponents in Puzzle League, you use something called “Garbage Blocks”. Expect “Garbage Blocks” and a regular Panels to make up a bulk of Lip’s special moves and Final Smash. However, some new original attributes will be given to Lip’s moveset as have been for other characters for the Smash roster. I am really hoping to make Lip a very interesting character addition.
Lip regular moves:
A: Lip smacks her opponent with the flower-baton.
AA: Lip smacks her opponent again with the flower-baton.
AAA: Lip twirls the flower-baton continuously.
Running-A: Lip does a forward flip, and opponents are harmed if they come into contact with her while she is doing the flip.
Side-A: Lip twirls the flower-baton in front of her, this move can also deflect projectile attacks (but not reflect).
Down-A: Lip does a double-roundhouse kick (meaning she roundhouse kicks with both of her legs, she stands on her hands while doing it)
Up-A: Lip jumps up and spins with her flower-baton raised up high.
A-Air: Lip spins around and smacks any nearby opponents with the flower-baton.
Forward-air: Lip somersaults in the air with the flower-baton.
Backward-air: Lip smacks in back of her with the flower-baton.
Up-Air: This move does not damage, it simply make the petals to the flower-baton grow in size until it is like a parasol and makes Lip fall down slowly.
Forward-Smash: Lip smacks her opponent with the flower-baton two times, before doing one final smack in which she jumps up ands smacks her opponent with baton. Depending on how long you charged up the smash attack, a flower of corresponding size will sprout on the head of the opponent you attacked.
Down-Smash: Lip spins on one foot multiple times. This moves does not knock your opponent back, it instead traps them, inside the whirling attack where they will be hit by the flower-baton multiple times which will make a larger flower grow on your opponent’s head with each consecutive hit.
Up-Smash: Lip will do a flip into the air, and somersault while in the air (any opponents who get hit while Lip is somersaulting down will be get hit multiple times with the flower-baton, which will result in a large flower sprouting from the opponent’s head). If you hit A, before she hits the ground, she will block her fall by doing a leaping handstand in which she repeats the Up-Smash over again. While this can result in a lot of damage, however, there is a bit of lag time after the second leap, which will make yourself vulnerable to attack.
Grabs:
Grab-A: Lip hits her grabbed opponent with the flower-baton.
Forward-Grab: Lip smacks her opponent forward with the flower-baton.
Backward-Grab: Lip kicks her opponent to the back of her (very weak).
Down-Grab: Lip smacks her opponent downward with the flower-baton.
Up-Grab: Lip will toss her opponent up (again it is a weak throw).
Lip special moves:
Regular-B: Junk Block: Lip’s flower-baton will glow and she will throw it a bit into the air, and then a junk block will appear over a nearby opponent’s head and land. A regular junk-block does 15% damage. However, Lip can summon bigger, and even multiple junk blocks as she gets more damaged.
Down-B: Petal Barrier: Lip will use the flower-baton in front of her, and the petals to it will temporarily grow. It will appear that Lip is using the flower-baton as a protective parasol. If opponent attacks her while in the stance, the flower-baton will shoot out seeds which will cause a flower to sprout on the attacking opponent’s head (the size of the flower though depends on how powerful the attempted move was going to be).
Side-B: Panel Toss: Lip tosses a random panel from the Puzzle League series at her opponents. The power and effect of the panel depends upon the symbol. Triangles do 10% damage but have a shocking effect to them and little more knock back. Hearts do 15% damage, and have a fire effect to them, but have less knockback than the triangle panels. Circles do 15% damage, but have no knockback. Star panels do 20% damage but have no knockback. Exclamation blocks are the rarest but getting hit by one does 40% damage, and result in a KO if your opponent has more than 50% damage done to him or her. If you get three of the same type of panel in a row, your opponent will get instantly KO’d, though this circumstance only has a 10% chance of happening.
Up-B: Watabou: The floating balloon-like creature in which Lip is holding onto on the Panel de Pon title screen. Lip will hold onto Watabou's string for a while, and then eventually let go of it (think Snake's recovery move)
Final Smash: Combos and Chains: The combo and chain fanfare plays, and Lip will spin her flower-baton around quickly like she does when she does a combo or chain in Panel de Pon. Lots and lots of junk blocks fall all across the arena. It is quite likely that your opponents will be KO’d if the arena happens to be small, and your opponents are not proficient at dodging.
Lip’s taunts are as follows:
1. Lip will spin around and wink at the screen, and giggle a bit.
2. Lip will throw the flower-baton up in the air, and make a ^_^ expression.
3. Lip will sit down, and then a ring of flowers will grow around her, when she gets back up the flowers disappear.
Lip’s victory animations are as follows:
1. Lip will do some flips and laugh with happiness.
2. Lip will be sitting down and have a whole bunch of flowers around her, and she will appear to be dowsing off.
3. Lip will stretch and then wink at the camera, and spin the flower-baton.
Running animation:
Lip will sort of have skipping aspect to her running animation, however, she has a determined “I must win this” cute look on her face while doing so.
Idle animation:
Lip will either be twirling the flower-baton or throwing it up in the air a bit. She will also hop a bit in place, all the while smiling (while sometimes her smile will turn to an arrogant smirk). Truly, Smash is not a stressful place for Lip.
Costumes:
1. Lip’s dress will be blue.
2. Lip’s dress will be green.
3. Lip’s dress be white.
4. Lip’s dress will be red.
5. Lip’s dress black and she will have white hair and red eyes (creepy).
Kirby Hat:
Kirby will gain Lip’s hairstyle upon absorbing her. He will also gain Junk-Block special move, however, the attributes about the move related to damage will not be carried over to Kirby.
Lip-Snake Codec Conversation:
Snake: Uh, colonel there looks to be some cute-looking girl with a flower stick as my opponent.
Campbell: Careful Snake, your opponent is Lip, the fairy of flowers.
Snake: *laughs*
Campbell: What’s so funny?
Snake: How do you expect me to fight a flower fairy, she is just a defenseless girl.
Campbell: Snake, that flower-baton she uses has a strange power. It can makes a vampiric flower sprout from the heads of the opponent’s she hits it with. If this flower is not removed, it slowly drains the life energy of its opponents.
Snake: Whaaaaat?! You got to be kidding me colonel. A cute girl like that would not harm even a bug.
Campbell: Not only that, she has ability to summon massive heavy blocks above the heads of her opponents which she uses to devastate and eliminate them, as well, as throw these mystical objects called panels. There seems to be a correlation between the symbol on them and their power, and I will say avoid the ones that have exclamation points on them at all costs.
Snake: This is the most absurd thing I ever heard, I think you are describing someone else to me.
Campbell: Snake remember, not everything is what it seems in Smash Bros. Things that would go against common sense and logic are the norm here. Lip is not an opponent you should underestimate, she has uncanny determination and power. Please don’t let her outward appearance fool you.
Snake: *sigh* I guess you are right, everything here is bizarre, would it be so hard to ask for a normal opponent in Smash Bros.
End of codec.
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Artwork

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- Emblem -
(Biggest Thanks to OnyxOblivian for doing this!)

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Well guys... it looks like we're in for another Lipless decade. What are you going to do in the meantime? I'm going to be making some noise for Mario Kart x Panel de Pon as mentioned, but I'd like to hear from my fellow fairy fans.

 

[4theRECORD]

Eh, I'll still be keeping an eye out for Smash, but I'll be mainly be watching IS itself. They can at least put out a download-only PdP for the 3DS. I mean, they can't be making Pushmo forever, and they're certainly tolerant of the whole loli thing(Though I always thought that was a stupid argument, I mean just look at Awakening)
I'll drop by this thread every now and then. I'll let you know if there's even a rumor of a new PdP game.

 

[N. Onymous]

That would be awesome, but we've already got Puzzle League Express so they probably think that's enough (and just like what happened with its big brother Planet Puzzle League, Western players got shafted there in the fairy department).

Lip and co. aren't really lolis, just girls. Not all of them are young, even (Seren, at least, is pretty clearly an adult), and none of the fairies are really sexualized. Even Neris wears as much as Ariel.

 

[4theRECORD]

That would be awesome, but we've already got Puzzle League Express so they probably think that's enough (and just like what happened with its big brother Planet Puzzle League, Western players got shafted there in the fairy department).

Lip and co. aren't really lolis, just girls. Not all of them are young, even (Seren, at least, is pretty clearly an adult), and none of the fairies are really sexualized. Even Neris wears as much as Ariel.

except Planet no longer has online due to the death of wi-fi. so there's a legit reason for making a new one, like a 3DS upgrade of Express. And hey, Planet didn't sell THAT bad. It certainly sold better than F-ZERO Climax.

I think the fairies can be considered lolis if Nowi(FE:A) can be considered one.

 

[N. Onymous]

I can see where you're coming from with Lip, Windy, Sherbet, and maybe Thiana, but the others don't really seem all that loli-ish to me and they're not intentionally so anyhow. *shrug* I dunno.

Puzzle League Express is still available through the 3DS eShop, and in fact it was one of the Club Nintendo reward titles last month, so I guess they figure they can use that plus the SNES Panel de Pon on the Japanese U VC as an excuse to avoid making any new ones. It's a shame, but what can we do about it?

 

[Twewy]

If SNES VC arrives on 3DS, I demand Tetris Attack on it. Just sayin'.

 

[4theRECORD]

I can see where you're coming from with Lip, Windy, Sherbet, and maybe Thiana, but the others don't really seem all that loli-ish to me and they're not intentionally so anyhow. *shrug* I dunno.

Puzzle League Express is still available through the 3DS eShop, and in fact it was one of the Club Nintendo reward titles last month, so I guess they figure they can use that plus the SNES Panel de Pon on the Japanese U VC as an excuse to avoid making any new ones. It's a shame, but what can we do about it?

wait, what? What's this reward you're talking about? I've never heard of this. Are you saying that Nintendo gave PdP some recognition besides VC?

 

[Grimnir]

Hmph. I left this thread after I got rather annoyed that certain users became hostile to me when I expressed the obvious truth that the ESRB link was the final roster. And after I come back, surprise surprise, no apology. Not that I expected one in the least.

I'd say something like "here's hoping to Lip next time", but chances are by the time "next time" rolls around, I'll be in my early 30's and will probably have bigger things to care about than fairies getting into a crossover game.

Even so, maybe she'll still have a chance, not so much as a long running series representative, but as the "surprise" character in the vein of Duck Hunt. The older and more forgotten Panel De Pon gets, the more likely it is to be exploited for that purpose. Someone posted quite awhile back a move set for Lip combining moves from other puzzle games. After seeing Duck Hunt using moves from other shooting games, it makes me think even more how cool that would be.

Who knows. Maybe the older me will decide to look up a gaming news website just for ****s and giggles and see "Lip announced for new Smash Bros. game". And then I'll lament the fact that I no longer have time for video games.

 

[N. Onymous]

If it helps, Grimnir, I never doubted you. ^^

If SNES VC arrives on 3DS, I demand Tetris Attack on it. Just sayin'.

The Tetris Attack name is stuck in a legal quagmire that really leaves Nintendo with only the choice to translate the original Panel de Pon, assuming they don't wait until an equally hypothetical N64 VC on 3DS so they can slap up Pokemon Puzzle League as the poor man's substitute (or do that anyway with Puzzle Challenge). But they'll never do that because, of course, they don't want to give anything outside their comfort zone a chance right now.

wait, what? What's this reward you're talking about? I've never heard of this. Are you saying that Nintendo gave PdP some recognition besides VC?

Yeah, they would let you download it for free in exchange for 200 coins. Of course it figures it would be the most boring version presentation-wise. Where's our fairies Nintendo dammit.

 

[4theRECORD]

If it helps, Grimnir, I never doubted you. ^^



The Tetris Attack name is stuck in a legal quagmire that really leaves Nintendo with only the choice to translate the original Panel de Pon, assuming they don't wait until an equally hypothetical N64 VC on 3DS so they can slap up Pokemon Puzzle League as the poor man's substitute (or do that anyway with Puzzle Challenge). But they'll never do that because, of course, they don't want to give anything outside their comfort zone a chance right now.



Yeah, they would let you download it for free in exchange for 200 coins. Of course it figures it would be the most boring version presentation-wise. Where's our fairies Nintendo dammit.

Hmm...Interesting. Where was this taking place? Worldwide, Japan exclusive, or US only? It might not mean much, but it could mean something...

As for a SFC port, I'm not sure. Unlike Kid Icarus, PdP has no real reason to release its SFC version. The only time would be, of course, when they make a new game. (Which I still consider fairly likely)

 

[N. Onymous]

Hmm...Interesting. Where was this taking place? Worldwide, Japan exclusive, or US only? It might not mean much, but it could mean something...

I know it was in the US and I think it was in Europe as well. I'm not sure about Japan.

Why does PdP have no real reason for a SFC port? It's already been released on both the Wii and Wii U Virtual Consoles, just only if you live in Japan or South Korea. Obviously there must be some reason.

Let's hope a new game is "fairly likely". A remake of the first game in HD with the improvements and features of later Panel de Pon games, or better yet a Mario & Luigi-style RPG that incorporates the puzzle game into its battle mechanics, would be fantastic. I'm just dying for them to give the series a chance again!

TGS 2014 is next week. Maybe we'll get something there, but if SSB4 has taught me anything, it's that fairy fans should never, ever get their hopes up because disappointment is the only result.

 

[N. Onymous]

So, if anyone's on Tumblr and/or interested, I've started up a Panel de Pon fan blog over here where I post pictures and such that I find around the Internet. It's just starting out, so there's not much there, but you ought to give it a look anyway. ^^

 

[JaidynReiman]

I'd be interested in getting my hands on one of the newer Panel de Pon games. Has anyone played them? Only one I've played is Tetris Attack. I'd like to know how they stack up.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

So, if anyone's on Tumblr and/or interested, I've started up a Panel de Pon fan blog over here where I post pictures and such that I find around the Internet. It's just starting out, so there's not much there, but you ought to give it a look anyway. ^^

I think there's one like this already, named paneldeponparadise or something. But I'm all for more awareness of this series in other sites.

 

[N. Onymous]

I'd be interested in getting my hands on one of the newer Panel de Pon games. Has anyone played them? Only one I've played is Tetris Attack. I'd like to know how they stack up.

Puzzle League adds 3D mode and custom puzzles. Puzzle Challenge is basically the SNES game with an added Garbage Mode, which is Score Attack plus garbage blocks falling from the top of the screen periodically. I'm not sure about the Nintendo Puzzle Collection Panel de Pon, but I think it has everything Puzzle League does plus 4-player multiplayer. Dr. Mario and Puzzle League is... pretty bare-bones. Planet doesn't have 3D mode, IIRC, but it adds items and a couple of new modes plus the generic skin everyone hates.

I think there's one like this already, named paneldeponparadise or something. But I'm all for more awareness of this series in other sites.

I think making a Tumblr blog about it is one of the best ways to raise awareness for this poor franchise simply because of how it's set up. One person reblogs a post, then another reblogs that, and before long it's spread far and wide. Maybe my blog won't ever go viral like that, but it's still helping to raise awareness of the series. Already it's got three followers, after all!

(I see you following F Yeah Panel de Pon, Luminario. )

 

[BluePikmin11]

stupjam

 

[N. Onymous]

I'm not sure I understand what's going on there, but it's beautifully drawn. ^^

 

[Hong]

So what is everyone's favourite fairy?

For myself, Seren of course. :D Normally someone who looks down their nose at others is obnoxious, but the way she is presented is cute. Too hard to take her seriously. I would cite her music as also being a case for liking her, but Panel de Pon honestly has great music in general.