Project Pichu: v2.5 Released!!! - Perfect Physics update! Hiatus not over, though...

[[TSON]]

The moveset itself is very solid, I assure you. Yes, Pichu is designed to be mid tier, not top. Frustrating however is not what I'm aiming for. The reason for discharge existing is to balance out the self damage. Nerfing self damage makes discharge less effective. I fail to see how they are not doing their job though. Not only is self damage there to tell you to stop throwing out attacks blindly and remind you that you aren't Metaknight and cannot spam fair without repercussion, but I even put it on sparingly. Over half of the attacks that do any damage do 1%. In Melee, the average was 3%. If anything, I should be raising it, not lowering it. The moves that have discharge are there to balance out the large and ugly balance that would be on a super light character with cruddy range that hurts herself. It is not a compliment, it is the glue on the bandage. Part of the solution, but not fixed totally, because we aren't those other PSAs. We don't want to be high tier. I love Pichu as much as the other guy but balance is to be kept in mind. Have you seen those Gimpyfish videos? Every character needs a weakness. Pichu just tends to have a bigger one. Play safer and I promise you'll be glad you did. Find ways to work around it. If you don't think 100% discharge is worth it, then aim your attacks carefully or use more uair/bair.

 

[leafbarrett]

Uair is a weaker version of melee's. It does combo if you hit with the initial hitbox into both itself and footstool. We aren't Pikachu, we don't need insane uair strings.

Usmash, there was a fix that leaf posted to fix the hitboxes. The problem was, they were still on the tail bone >_<. This'll be officially fixed next build.

Fsmash... I've sped that move up so much while the hitboxes are out... I don't see how that's even possible. There's .5 of a frame between each hit ffs -_-

Bair is an extremely spammy move, and will remain so until I get around to making an animation for it. If you land with it at all, you aren't doing it right, which is why I slowed down landing heaps. It's such a good move when you use it correctly (5 times in one jump <_<) that that is the only way to balance it without wrecking it or making it overly laggy.

Uair... I dunno, haven't done anything with it.

Usmash... er, no, I put the hitboxes on the head I'll take a look using BrawlBox and see if I can't put the hitboxes on the head more accurately
EDIT: All right, I'm sticking the hitboxes on the ears. That good enough?
Oh, and I'm gonna fix the animation, too, because Pichu looks... a bit freaky with it, to say the least.

Fsmash needs less ending lag.

I could try to make a bair animation semi-based on the ftilt but backwards and modified for the air.

U-smash I'm sure you are well aware of, but the spike hitbox seems to be the only prevalent one on the entire move o_0.

I'll be honest, ever since the move was changed to the head, I have hit with the spike... maybe once?

 

[God of Humility]

Pichu takes enough damage as is for discharge to be effective (it should still be powered up a bit). Self-damage is not needed to go to 100% that hapens naturakky through the battle. Self-damage is a unique balance mechanic, but is not neccessary to achieve good Discharge results. We shouldn't base Discharge around self-damage but both as unique, distinguished qualities that happen to collaborate. IMO

 

[Kink-Link5]

Pichu takes enough damage as is for discharge to be effective (it should still be powered up a bit). Self-damage is not needed to go to 100% that hapens naturakky through the battle. Self-damage is a unique balance mechanic, but is not neccessary to achieve good Discharge results. We shouldn't base Discharge around self-damage but both as unique, distinguished qualities that happen to collaborate. IMO

Concidering Pichu should be dying at about 80% from F-tilts, a non-knockback way of increasing percentage seems almost mandatory. There should be no reason that the opponent can get Pichu up to 100% without also KOing him.

 

[[TSON]]

Pichu is lighter than squirtle by 6 units.

If you can get to 100% without self damage then I applaud you.

 

[God of Humility]

Maybe you're right, at this point, getting to 100% with no self damage is rare, but I don't think Pichu needs that much self damage. I think he needs a more accessible Discharge. At this point he dies before making good use of the power boost.

 

[[TSON]]

You just answered yourself

"Oh I don't think Pichu should do 1% per hit on fair"
BUT
"He dies before making good use of the power boost"

if I lower the self damage you'll be forced to throw yourself into combat to raise your %, and, being a light character, discharge will be useless as you will be dead.

Everything is the way it is for a reason guys :V

 

[leafbarrett]

Why was the bair hitbox tacked on to the left KNEE, of all places? Why not, you know, one of the feet?
And what does RA-bit[30] do anyways?

 

[God of Humility]

You just answered yourself

"Oh I don't think Pichu should do 1% per hit on fair"
BUT
"He dies before making good use of the power boost"

if I lower the self damage you'll be forced to throw yourself into combat to raise your %, and, being a light character, discharge will be useless as you will be dead.

Everything is the way it is for a reason guys :V

What I'm trying to say is that the problem should be resolved with better Discharge, and not with heavier self damage. Like, lower self-damage a little and activate Discharge sooner. This way you shouldn't need to throw yourself in a hit to activate Discharge to be useful. Right now, his power activates too late for him to use it effectively.

Just my 2 cents, feel free to prove me wrong.

 

[[TSON]]

What I'm trying to say is that the problem should be resolved with better Discharge, and not with heavier self damage. Like, lower self-damage a little and activate Discharge sooner. This way you shouldn't need to throw yourself in a hit to activate Discharge to be useful. Right now, his power activates too late for him to use it effectively.

Just my 2 cents, feel free to prove me wrong.

25% is late to you? Are you playing Brawl-??

And again, self damage is not being lowered because it will mess up discharge. Discharge will be buffed a tad but nothing else. When you mess with the math, all you get is mind****.

 

[God of Humility]

25% is late to you? Are you playing Brawl-??

And again, self damage is not being lowered because it will mess up discharge. Discharge will be buffed a tad but nothing else. When you mess with the math, all you get is mind****.

I'm playing Brawl+. I think you have an excellent way to apply the concept. All I meant to say was that I think the power boost should be a bit more noticeable. Self damage is not a big deal anyway.

Could you at least consider lowering Self-damage on specific moves. Like quick attack or thunder (4% why?)?

 

[superyoshi888]

25% is late to you? Are you playing Brawl-??

And again, self damage is not being lowered because it will mess up discharge. Discharge will be buffed a tad but nothing else. When you mess with the math, all you get is mind****.

That only happens when you attempt to divide by 0 though. :V

There, proved you wrong.

 

[[TSON]]

I'm playing Brawl+. I think you have an excellent way to apply the concept. All I meant to say was that I think the power boost should be a bit more noticeable. Self damage is not a big deal anyway.

Could you at least consider lowering Self-damage on specific moves. Like quick attack or thunder (4% why?)?

Thunder did 4% in Melee... I don't see why you would use that enough for it to matter anyways. QA does 3, which was an accident, it's only supposed to do 2.

 

[superyoshi888]

Lolbump. 10bumps

SO....do we have anyone vertex hacking? That would be awesome.

 

[[TSON]]

I have no clue what I'm doing there, and plus I kinda busted my Wii, and when it is working (rarely) I'm dedicating my time to Brawl- because the alpha release is next month. So DBK is going to take over for a while.

 

[superyoshi888]

How'd you bust your wii?

 

[[TSON]]

(Overweight) Sister stepped on AV cords = fall = break >:

 

[leafbarrett]

(Overweight) Sister stepped on AV cords = fall = break >:

Aw D: That sucks :< That's kinda how mine got damaged. The neighborhood kids kept stepping on the controller cords by accident and pulling the whole thing off the table. Now it can't read discs. ;_;

 

[D.B.K.]

(Overweight) Sister stepped on AV cords = fall = break >:

I thought you said that the Wii stopped reading discs? Or did it stop reading discs because of your sister?

I'll probably get started on a new pac tomorrow with a few fixes, namely stronger discharge and a few self damage changes.

 

[leafbarrett]

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=16171aaacbe75be9b64026cfc061123651408950b431674cdaada8390b259c5f
Here. I finished the new bair animation, though it's a bit less spammable... sorry.

 

[[TSON]]

I thought you said that the Wii stopped reading discs? Or did it stop reading discs because of your sister?

I'll probably get started on a new pac tomorrow with a few fixes, namely stronger discharge and a few self damage changes.

Yes, when it fell on the floor I could hear it screaming in pain ;_;

 

[D.B.K.]

Celebrate the new year with a crappy texture I made in literally three minutes!

http://www.mediafire.com/?ozkyzwmqzfm

http://www.mediafire.com/?1mzzwtntjzq

I put Happy New Year on the wrong part of the hat lol.

 

[D.B.K.]

Sorry for the lack of updates (midterm johns). I'll try to have a new pac up this weekend.

Would you guys rather have discharge extended to 200% or made stronger at each current level?

 

[Oni K4ge]

I think discharge should go to 150% personally. See, when you hit 150, you no longer take bubble damage (the damage you recieve when in that bubble thing if youre too far off screen) So it might make more sense, since 150 is much higher than 100, and i think 200 is too high. anyone on verticies?

 

[agroves]

Sorry for the lack of updates (midterm johns). I'll try to have a new pac up this weekend.

Would you guys rather have discharge extended to 200% or made stronger at each current level?

(OH a Pichu thread this looks good ) up to 125 or at least 100... or 150
I really can't decide :|

 

[leafbarrett]

150% sounds reasonable, though if you wanted to be ambitious, you could try for 200%. It's not unheard of to survive that long.

The Neku moveset gave me an idea. How about a taunt that skyrockets your damage straight to 100%?

 

[E-Jolteon]

I think 120-140% makes a healthy match.

Oh, wait, I've got a capture card now! brb...

 

[[TSON]]

New Pichu Build Beta:

-Slightly strengthened thunder, loops longer
-Fixed bair's hitboxes (sourspot too because ily<3), 0.8x speed instead of 0.7x, new animation by leafbarrett
-Accidentally added a combo; press up taunt during bair to automatically do a uair on frame 7 (3ish frames earlier than the allow interrupt). Said 'to hell with it' and now, if you hold A during bair, it loops. If you spam this I will eat your children.
-Allow full horizontal control during all points of dair again (oops!), made it enhance jump height a bit instead.
-Uair made a bit stronger
-Dtilt IASA moved back three frames (18->15), KBG lowered
-Fsmash's looped hitboxes are faster, have less hitlag, and only do 0.5% to Pichu instead of 1.
-SideB's self damage lowered to 2 from 3, if hitbox connects, does 2 more damage.
-UpB's self damage totals 1.5%. One more frame added between the jumps. Jumps don't go as far. All GFX removed.
-More hitlag on Aerial Tjolt
-Fair hitboxes made bigger
-Run is faster
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD TELL WHOEVER YOU'RE PLAYING "DO NOT DI UP WHEN I USE THUNDER" (unless you're playing Pichu dittos, then it's okay)
-Slowed down fsmash endlag, pushed IASA further out
-Fthrow throws a bit higher.
-Dthrow throws more forwards and has more hitstun. It also is faster. Chaingrabs some characters for a bit
-Dsmash hitboxes are bigger
-Other stuff.

Will be out when DBK gets on. I did not extend discharge because I used Leaf's strengthened discharge this build... So we'll see how that plays out.

 

[D.B.K.]

Alright, the OP is updated with the new pacs. Get to downloading!

 

[NAMQ_DrunkeNFeasT]

you should use this pics!!!

your pic's are just a pikachu looking like pichu, but this sure looks like the real brawl pichu

the OP will look perfect with this pichu texture/model

 

[D.B.K.]

That's the same texture, he's just using a partial size modifier. I can put the code in the OP if someone finds it.

 

[[TSON]]

I don't like the way it looks.

 

[Oni K4ge]

I am honored *cries in joy*

Yeah the code was posted a lot of pages back. note this was NOT by me, FYI:

Pichu V2 P1
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[6Mizu]

This pretty cool!
Broken U-taunt! lol

 

[D.B.K.]

I don't like the way it looks.

Neither do I but it wouldn't hurt to put in the OP for people that like it.

 

[Oni K4ge]

lmfao at your sig DBK XD

 

[[TSON]]

This pretty cool!
Broken U-taunt! lol

D: what? It's not broken...

...........

Wait... It is isn't it. I forgot that it still heals if you're hit. I'll fix that next build -_-

 

[zephyrnereus]

what exactly does the taunt do?

 

[leafbarrett]

what exactly does the taunt do?

Heals after a short rest.

 

[zephyrnereus]

yeah i know that, but how is it broken now? before it healed like 4% in about 2 seconds...