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B.W.

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I think they've been asked about smash 4 modding before and the answer was no. They're 100% focused on what they're doing right now.
Also there is no way to tell whether or not smash 4 will even be moddable.

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^ Pretty much that. Smash 4 doesn't even have a release date guys - way too far off to even consider modding it.
 

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Well yeah, I do understand that it's pretty early, but I was just curious if it was a potential future project- with emphasis put on future. But it's a good point that it might not even be moddable. Thanks for letting me know, though.
 

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If there is a need for mods like there was for Brawl, then somebody will do it. The Smash community is now all into modding the game and Nintendo doesn't care because it is just more money for them.
 

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Personally, when the team finished Project M I would really like to see them make their own game rather than mod another one. If they had 100% creative freedom and 100% of the rights to a new game, I think they could create something very exciting.
 

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old news:​
Corey confirmed today that at at the very least ONE character will be added to this demo...​
 

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Very interesting. I was not aware of this. Thank you. I will definitely be backing this project up on Kickstarter once the time comes.

Also, can anyone say for 100% certain (hopefully with proof) that Project M is completely legal? I searched for hours online looking through court cases trying to find a verdict or a law or SOMETHING that directly stated whether modifications of games are legal or not.

The reason I ask is because someone told me Project M was illegal due to being a derivative work. I hold the belief that it is a transformative work, and therefore falls under fair use. Obviously the modification requires that SSBB and a Wii are owned, but that doesn't make modifications legal. Personally I don't care if it is legal or not as far as my own morality goes, I just want to be aware of the law so that I can know whether or not I disagree with it.

I believe that modifications of games should be legal as long as no profit is being made by the programmers and as long as a legitimate copy of the original game is required in order to play it.
 

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Very interesting. I was not aware of this. Thank you. I will definitely be backing this project up on Kickstarter once the time comes.

Also, can anyone say for 100% certain (hopefully with proof) that Project M is completely legal? I searched for hours online looking through court cases trying to find a verdict or a law or SOMETHING that directly stated whether modifications of games are legal or not.

The reason I ask is because someone told me Project M was illegal due to being a derivative work. I hold the belief that it is a transformative work, and therefore falls under fair use. Obviously the modification requires that SSBB and a Wii are owned, but that doesn't make modifications legal. Personally I don't care if it is legal or not as far as my own morality goes, I just want to be aware of the law so that I can know whether or not I disagree with it.

I believe that modifications of games should be legal as long as no profit is being made by the programmers and as long as a legitimate copy of the original game is required in order to play it.

It's legal because you have to own a copy of Brawl, except for the part where they include material from Castlevania in but nobody really cares because it was on the front page of IGN.
 

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Could anybody be so kind as to telling me what new things they saw in yesterdays stream? I can't watch bc my internet is ****y
I have been out of this for a long while what did I miss about what's coming in 2.6?
Here you are:
2.6 changes:
Ganon has a new, faster uptilt. (Ehonda stomp)
Diddy's sideb shortened.
Lucas Bair and Dair are reverted to Brawl versions. (Calabrel and others say this is more buff than nerf.)
Squirtle's dair has a new animation, but seems functionally identical.
Wario's aerial sideb can be canceled.
 

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I posted a better one a bit later on.

Updated 2.6 changes:
Ganon has a new, faster uptilt - very powerful E. Honda-style stomp.
Diddy's sideb shortened.
Lucas Bair and Dair are reverted to Brawl animations, up-b distance increased.
Squirtle's dair has Brawl's animation, but seems functionally identical.
Wario's aerial sideb goes straight and can be canceled.
Ivysaur can angle seed bomb, razor leaf and fair are faster.
G&W's hammer has dots over the number indicating whether the next number will be even or odd.
Snake can throw grenades underhanded.
Also other stuff:
Ike's nair is faster.
Sonic's downb spin has less favorable knockback, doesn't autocombo into every aerial. Also I'm told you can't airdodge out of it but I can't confirm that.
Lucario's downb and nair seem to begin faster, but I can't confirm that either.
Squirtle's Aqua Jet had it's command changed from up-B to A, during Withdraw.
Probably some other stuff that I'm forgetting or don't know about.

I should probably delete the old post.
 

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Or just provide a link to this new one at the end of both of them.

And angled seed bomb? why....

It just makes me a sad panda. I get to play with a really good person whenever I do manage to get practice and he uses Ivysaur extremely well... especially seed bomb. Oh well I guess.
 

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hey wtf i just had a CPU Lucario mind game the **** out of me with an empty hop into downb->super cancel->down smash, that crafty *******
exactly what kind of black sorcery is king clubber performing back there, pmbr?
 

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turbo mode should have the "final smash obtained when xxx% total damage is dealt to opponent" code

Problem with the code ATM is that there's no way to turn it on/off and it doesn't stack (meaning that if it's set to activate at 200% there's no way for it to work at 400% or 600%).
 

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I'd finally be able to beat the **** out of Wario-man and Giga-bowser, it'd also be nice if Sonic wasn't invinc during his.

So I finally installed "MapleStory", it's 5 gigs and lags my computer more than any of my free FPS games. CPU usage of it is 55

How do I make my character not look like Justin Beiber? I only get the option to make him black
 

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Uh, law usually works the other way around. If there's nothing that says it's illegal than it's legal.

I probably should have been more specific...

Is there anything that justifies that Project M is either:
1.) not a derivative work
or
2.) that Project M is a transformative derivative work (which would make it legal)

EDIT: I think I may have finally found a satisfactory answer.

Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair.
  1. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
  2. The nature of the copyrighted work
  3. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
  4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work
It could potentially be argued that Project M is a criticism of Brawl. It asks for the comments of all of its players, and contributes to scholarship, research, and the advancement of games as an art form.

Furthermore, the purpose of Project M is innocent. It is nonprofit, and retains pretty much the same nature as the original product, though geared toward a more competitive scene. (This adds value, and therefore can add to its transformative nature. See below.) The amount of assets used is fairly substantial, but perhaps more importantly than anything, the game increases the value of the game that it modified.

Transformative uses that result in the creation of a transformative work are similar to derivative works in that they are based on the original.However, they are different in that they satisfy the underlying purpose of copyright law by building on the original and thereby “promoting the progress of science and the useful arts.”Simply put, transformative works create something new.Again, as noted in Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc, “The central purpose of this investigation is to see...whether the new work merely [supersedes] the original creation, or instead adds something new, with a further purpose or different character, altering the first with new expression, meaning or message; it asks, in other words, whether and to what extent the new work is transformative.”Consequently, copyright owners do not control transformative uses that result in the creation of transformative works.Anyone can lawfully undertake a transformative use of anther’s copyright protected work even before the copyright expires.No permission is required from the copyright owner.

Project M contributes to videogames as an art form, and promotes balanced and emergent gameplay. It is absolutely something new. This is a satisfactory answer for me.
 
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