Project M Social Thread

[JediKnightTemplar]

Guys, I've been doing some really, really weird stuff for the sake of Project M. But the secret shall remain in the BR forever >.>.

Prostitution? Hey, I understand. They don't call him Shagnus for nothing.

 

[Jonny Westside]

My only problem with it is how easy it is to repeat Quickdraw->Walljump up a single wall. We may do something about it in the future, we may not. Haven't discussed it, honestly.

So ike's quickdraw walljump is just like Mario's upB --> walljump. If possible try reducing the vertical height of the jump a little bit after each use until the player is unable to do it anymore. Upon reaching the stage the amount of jumps are reset.

 

[Ecks]

I just noticed that "What if I offer sexual favors?" was removed from the second post's FAQ. Should be added back IMO.

I'd like to see Ike's infinite side b walljump. Mario could spent days exploiting his.

 

[robosteven]

I'm actually really excited for Ike:M. Ever since I heard his side-b was jump-cancelable I was like :O

The idea of being able to L-cancel Ike's fair gives me a boner.

 

[Shadic]

Prostitution? Hey, I understand. They don't call him Shagnus for nothing.

I laughed. Good work.

So ike's quickdraw walljump is just like Mario's upB --> walljump. If possible try reducing the vertical height of the jump a little bit after each use until the player is unable to do it anymore. Upon reaching the stage the amount of jumps are reset.

The issue is with Quickdraw, not the walljump/tech. I'd explain more, but it's going to change anyways.

 

[metroid1117]

So ike's quickdraw walljump is just like Mario's upB --> walljump. If possible try reducing the vertical height of the jump a little bit after each use until the player is unable to do it anymore. Upon reaching the stage the amount of jumps are reset.

cmart was suggesting this in a stream a while back, I think it's a good idea. Walljumps work like this in Melee, so I don't see why it shouldn't be the same for Ike's "special" walljump.

[EDIT: Shadic ninja'd me on this one.]

I'm getting giddy at all the possible applications for edgeguarding though, even if it is pointlessly flashy. Dropping down from the edge -> QD walljump -> doublejump DAir/FAir just sounds so cool XD.

 

[GHNeko]

Increase wall jump decay. Been saying it for a while.


And it's the only reasonable solution for Ike QD Walljump.

If you suggest anything else, you are giving a reason as to why you shouldn't be listened to.

 

[Rikana]

I don't see how Ike's quickdraw is a problem since his recovery is still pretty bad. He's still very predictable: 1. get close and upb 2. quickdraw from far 3. get close and quickdraw walljump and continue so until you get close enough for upb (this one is situational because its stage dependent). Besides, its not like its broken, so why "fix" it?

 

[PEEF!]

I don't see how Ike's quickdraw is a problem since his recovery is still pretty bad. He's still very predictable: 1. get close and upb 2. quickdraw from far 3. get close and quickdraw walljump and continue so until you get close enough for upb (this one is situational because its stage dependent)

Sounds stupid, one of the characters weaknesses is supposed to be recovery

 

[Rikana]

Yes. It definitely sounds stupid when I'm still pointing out that it's bad?

If anything, even Falco's recovery is better. His upB gives him the option to choose any direction. The moment you let go of the control stick before it hits the ledge, it instantly snaps. You can even combo out of it from a shine near the top for a kill. They can infinite ledge stall with it as well. Phantasm can be controlled by canceling the momentum for some more mixups. It also causes a meteor on contact. On top of all that, he has a very beastly on-stage game. People say his recovery is bad because that's his only "weakness" but in reality, his recovery isn't all that bad compared to many. I'm just using Falco as an example.

So why should Ike get his recovery nerfed again?

 

[PEEF!]

The walljump isn't that situational though

 

[Rikana]

That's why I feel we should have stages that have Melee's battlefield ledges. And even if the walljumps out of Ike's quickdraw isn't that situational, its still quite predictable. I would say its only a problem if Ike is a beast on stage. He's good but I wouldn't say top tier good. Mid to high at most.

 

[GHNeko]

increasing wall jump decay wont nerf ike.

it'll only stop indefinite stalling on stages like FoD, SSE:J, GHZ, etc.

that's it.

 

[Rikana]

Oh. You're talking about stage stalling? Why not just set up a rule and that'll be the end of it? Its just as easy as TOs mentioning no infinite stalling with Peach's sideB.

 

[9Kplus1]

Setting a rule in place is much less efficient than simply fixing the problem. This isn't the unalterable vBrawl, where the unity ruleset is somewhat based off of things that can't be nerfed by natural means. If it's possible to fix, and if there won't be a significant impact on the recipient(s) of the change, then there's no harm in messing around until a workable solution is produced.

Despite how minor infinite wall-jumping is (lol stage-limited), it's still a trick that can be abused by any player with a fair amount of competence with Ike. Most players would identify that as a problem that should be altered or heavily changed before P:M gains momentum (which would be whenever the 'final' build comes out). It's not as if Ike's MUs and tier placement in P:M will suffer a major drop with increased wall jump decay.

 

[PEEF!]

Streaming. 720p da bess =D

www.twitch.tv/peefsmash

 

[Akuma2120]

Does anyone have a computer good enough to run Project M on dolphin so I can kick their *** over wifi on it?

 

[Xebenkeck]

i'm just curious, but what exactly is screwed up on olimar? Just the pikmen, or is theree something else like file size limit or something. I ask because if it is just the pikmen, couldn't you guys just outright scrap the neutral B function and remake all the pikmen reliant moves just constant animations. I.E. f-air relies on a pikmen, well couldnt you guys just remake the animation so olimar always swings a red pikmen and there is always the same hitbox, independant of neutral B(bcuz its scraped)? I know this destroys the aspect of ordering pikmen, but if its too much trouble to code, would this not work as a plan B?

 

[Shadic]

Olimar is entirely possible to code, he's just a pain to, and other characters have taken priority as a result.

 

[Jonny Westside]

I wonder how Olimar is gonna turn out. I'm anxious to see some experimental moves you genst are going to implement, seeing as how very limited Oli's options are.

 

[DVDV28]

Olimar is entirely possible to code, he's just a pain to, and other characters have taken priority as a result.

Is it five times as long or something?

 

[Mono.]

increasing wall jump decay wont nerf ike.

it'll only stop indefinite stalling on stages like FoD, SSE:J, GHZ, etc.

that's it.

The walljump isn't really indefinite to begin with. It'll give out after a while... just yeah, it takes a while. increasing wall jump decay is probably the best way to go.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

Leave my Mario alone. Do not want increasing wall decay there are other solutions anyway

 

[GHNeko]

nvm this post

 

[Revven]

Leave my Mario alone. Do not want increasing wall decay there are other solutions anyway

Erm, Mario's solution was already made awhile ago lol. (Months ago)

 

[Strong Badam]

Increase wall jump decay. Been saying it for a while.


And it's the only reasonable solution for Ike QD Walljump.

If you suggest anything else, you are giving a reason as to why you shouldn't be listened to.

lol this is retardedly arrogant Neko
step it up

 

[robosteven]

From what I've seen, I don't think Ike's recovery is suddenly broken. Somebody explain to me why this is in debate please?

 

[Strong Badam]

it's moreso the stalling applications it has than any overpowered recovery abilities.

 

[robosteven]

Oh.

The decay's pretty...existent...as it is and therefore shouldn't be changed? And if people...try to stall...they'll die eventually because of natural wall jump decay?

Spoiler

I have no idea what I am talking about. I'm a simple guy.

 

[Stevo]

you can pound stall with jiggs for like an eternity. Away from the stage too where it is safer. I don't see the problem with Ike if stalling is the only issue. Is Project M trying to remove the possibility of stalling?

 

[Rikana]

I guess its because you can't pound forever. Ike's walljump out of quickdraw can technically stall "forever" if nothing interrupts him. I still don't see much of a problem with it though.

 

[Mono.]

I guess its because you can't pound forever. Ike's walljump out of quickdraw can technically stall "forever" if nothing interrupts him. I still don't see much of a problem with it though.

At least it's not completely brain dead like most stalling tactics.

 

[rk-9000]

couldnt you guys do with ike stalling what tournaments do with jiggs stalling and just tell people not to do it?

 

[shanus]

im not worried about it

neko is just dumb

 

[Mono.]

To me the thing is about Ike's stalling is that it's pretty easy to **** up. I don't have an accurate count but let's say 5 or so walljumps mark the beginning of a wall jump decay for him. Now you're in this situation whereas you have to continously do quickdraw to wall at a very fast pace to stay at the most in a neutral position (I'm just assuming you can do this because I know I can't.) because otherwise you'll just keep falling on each wall jump. So at this point, either you continuously do it as fast as possible and increase your chances of just falling through human error, or try to aether up to the ledge if you're close enough. However if you're not close, then you're just gonna die anyway.

So completely banning the concept in my eyes just doesn't seem necessary as it's too much risk involved with wall jump stalling with Ike.

 

[Rikana]

But neko can wrestle sharks and tackle whales.

 

[GHNeko]

im not worried about it

neko is just dumb

this hurts deep down shanus

deep down inside

but i digress.

i was mistaken thinking that wall jump decay was character specific. i thought it was, but it's not.

But neko can wrestle sharks and tackle whales.

i also can subdue bears now.

 

[iLink]

I take it there isn't some way to limit Ike to only be able to wall jump once after a sideb? That just seemed like the logical solution I would go with.

 

[GHNeko]

Once isnt enough imo.

The average ike takes 3 wall jumps to scale from the lowest point of a walled stage with up b to recover.

5 without up b.

His recovery is very easy to edgehog/guard and is very predictable.

 

[Strong Badam]

just be lucky u get any wall jumps u ungrateful *******