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[aznasazin11]

I just want 3.5 to come out so I can have a chance at beating my friends Lucas

 

[ZiggaWaTT]

I hope there aren't too many MU's like this
skip till the 7 min mark for the first stocks taken

If crap like this becomes the meta then I have lost hope for sm4sh. Thankfully this is so far the only match like this out of the many I have seen but the fact that this kind of thing is possible really worries me.

 

[zman804]

Aerolink is a very campy player. Last game of this his plan backfires and he gets timed out by IPunchKidz's Lucario.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCfAM2qLLxQ

 

[trash?]

"nonono, guys, we totally need 3 stocks, the game's not THAT slow"

mm, nah, no

 

[Vashimus]

I wanna say Vash's new avatar is Female!Diavolo.

...the ****, Vash. Diavolo is lame.

Smooth Criminal

Fem Dio and Kira were too sexy.

 

[Soft Serve]

I think its more the rule-sets fault for longer matches. Some characters will just have interactions like that against other characters, and trying to force another type of fight is just going to get you chipped out.
I'm okay with time-outs being a legit stratagy, its nothing that isn't in other fighting games. a 3 stock 5 min ruleset makes it easier to go for timeouts than actual stocks though. 2 stocks 5 min might be the way to go.

 

[Soft Serve]

Kim possible did this whole trapped in a video game world thing way before Sao and log horizon
I think it did it better too, in that one episode
Kim/Ron best ship because it actually happens
Rufus though

 

[Alakaslam]

http://youtu.be/jmvOlXbmhug

Best dub

Folks we speak of the excuse me princess yes?

CD-I

AND 3DO FTW

ALLL THE BAD SYSTEM WHICH ONE DID YOU HAVE

I HAD 3DO

 

[standardtoaster]

upset that i just accidentally closed a spreadsheet i was working on for an hour without saving

thank god the data i was using was from a code i made that autogenerates things

 

[Kati]

I just want 3.5 to come out so I can have a chance at beating my friends Lucas

Don't fall into the habit of waiting for patches to change your match results. Lucas isn't broken, and there's always something new to learn and perfect in smash.

 

[Alakaslam]

upset that i just accidentally closed a spreadsheet i was working on for an hour without saving

thank god the data i was using was from a code i made that autogenerates things

Kudos on that backup but sorry for your loss... These are the things that grind...

Bright side is sometimes you do better second time around, if this is something that can be done better.

 

[standardtoaster]

i made a script that generates a spreadsheet of character attributes given a directory :3

 

[trash?]

practice edgeguarding lucas now, so when his recovery is as middlin' as it should be, you can tear him apart off-stage

 

[aznasazin11]

Don't fall into the habit of waiting for patches to change your match results. Lucas isn't broken, and there's always something new to learn and perfect in smash.

Totally agree. Just me using Johns tbh. I'm not very good at all, but im working on it!

 

[Bleck]

maybe people wouldn't be so campy if every moron didn't assume that eight minutes should be the default amount of time per match because melee

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Totally agree. Just me using Johns tbh. I'm not very good at all, but im working on it!

At least you admit it; most people stick with their excuses, and stay put on the skill plateaus for it, lol.

maybe people wouldn't be so campy if every moron didn't assume that eight minutes should be the default amount of time per match because melee

Or maybe people are block-heads who refuse to learn from the mistakes, and don't get their cookie-cutter-copying gameplay exploited and them humiliated for it enough to discourage their being stagnant players.

 

[Comeback Kid]

Melee is responsible for Smash 4's campy gameplay too?

Is there anything that you can't blame on Melee Bleck?

 

[Bleck]

that's some nice sass you've got there but it doesn't really disprove my point

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Hey, about your "point" that you've yapping on about for months, if not more, guess what?

You wanna talk Melee? Go to the Melee forums.

 

[Bleck]

haha whatever you say

 

[wannabe33]

If crap like this becomes the meta then I have lost hope for sm4sh. Thankfully this is so far the only match like this out of the many I have seen but the fact that this kind of thing is possible really worries me.

Heads up: this match went on so long because of a bet between the two players. They went out of their way to camp as much as possible. That said, this is still concerning for two reasons:

1. Excessive camp like we see in the video seems like a viable playstyle. Arguably even optimal -- in the next match, the Villager player tried a more aggro approach and was thoroughly whooped by Palutena's spacing prowess. I'm in the minority here, but I'm convinced camp and spacing will become Smash 4's dominant playstyle; I expect less Greninjas, Sheiks, and Bowsers and more ROBs, Duck Hunts, and Pac-Mans as the meta develops. That's worrying.

2. There is remarkable stubbornness about switching to a two-stock ruleset. We've had both two- and three-stock tourneys for Smash 4 and we know both work, but three-stock tourneys take longer for no real benefit (I don't recall seeing a three stock comeback between two high level players in any of the three-stock tournaments I watched). Longer matches means scheduling concerns and headaches for TOs, but it also means key matches being shown off-stream to conserve time. Hell, it might even mean nixing custom moves. Advocates of three-stock rulesets have proposed other changes to save time, but the lingering question is why not just switch to a two-stock moveset to save time and be done with it. I don't understand these people.

Unrelated question: I heard rumblings that BH4 would feature a PMBR announcement. Any confirmation on this, or just speculation?

 

[Strong Badam]

We haven't announced... that we're making an announcement... or anything like that. It's speculation.

 

[Bleck]

Should we take this as an announcement that you're eventually going to announce an announcement about your upcoming announcement announcements?

 

[| Kailex |]

Last year, we got the mewtwo reveal trailer. Are we going to get a nerf trailer this time?

 

[PMS | Tink-er]

I hope there aren't too many MU's like this
skip till the 7 min mark for the first stocks taken

That was possibly the worst 8 minutes of my life. Ffs when are they going to institute a one stock ruleset for this campy as all hell game.

 

[Bleck]

Two stocks and five minutes is probably reasonable.

 

[PMS | Tink-er]

Probably but if that just means that a close set is 15 minutes of camping, then I'm not watching it. At least hbox vs armada they both had to really stay on their toes just to maintain their camp and it was pretty dynamic. This was embarrassing.

 

[Empyrean]

@Warchamp7 playing "Brawl". I knew something was wrong.

 

[PMS | Tink-er]

So I'm picking up ICs whilst I don't have access to PM. We'll I'm playing everyone in melee but I intend to actually try to transfer over my ICs. I recall hearing that wobbling is removed from PM or something? Is that right? What happens if you try?

 

[Star ☆]

So I'm picking up ICs whilst I don't have access to PM. We'll I'm playing everyone in melee but I intend to actually try to transfer over my ICs. I recall hearing that wobbling is removed from PM or something? Is that right? What happens if you try?

I think they just escape from the grab.

 

[| Kailex |]

The only thing you could transfer over is the "throw to hit to regrab" chaingrab, unless you do that bug that has something to do with throwing beside the ledge, if it wasnt fixed

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

Name the a

Kim possible did this whole trapped in a video game world thing way before Sao and log horizon
I think it did it better too, in that one episode
Kim/Ron best ship because it actually happens
Rufus though

I forget, were you trapped in .hack//sign?

So I'm picking up ICs whilst I don't have access to PM. We'll I'm playing everyone in melee but I intend to actually try to transfer over my ICs. I recall hearing that wobbling is removed from PM or something? Is that right? What happens if you try?

Only the regrabs(escaped easily with SDi) and most desyncs will transfer over. In the current verison, it is not worth learning IC
Wait for the next installment to make that call.

 

[PMS | Tink-er]

I think they just escape from the grab.

How, though? Wobbling works because you can't escape a grab even after you've mashed out because you can't escape whilst in hitstun and wobbling causes permanent hitstun. Did they remove that mechanic, or did they change the amount of hitstun on pummel and/or dtilt/ftilt/dspec so that it's not a hitstun lock anymore?

The only thing you could transfer over is the "throw to hit to regrab" chaingrab, unless you do that bug that has something to do with throwing beside the ledge, if it wasnt fixed

The ledge handoff isn't a bug. That's like calling multishining a bug.

Name the a

I forget, were you trapped in .hack//sign?

Only the regrabs(escaped easily with SDi) and most desyncs will transfer over. In the current verison, it is not worth learning IC
Wait for the next installment to make that call.

I'm learning them in Melee because they're cool in melee, I'm just asking if they're gonna transfer in PM 3.5, where I'm assuming the grab release points and Nana's ai will be fixed, since I heard they're off in 3.0. If the only thing that doesn't transfer is wobbling, then that's fine, though wobbling is mad funny RIP.

 

[PlateProp]

If crap like this becomes the meta then I have lost hope for sm4sh. Thankfully this is so far the only match like this out of the many I have seen but the fact that this kind of thing is possible really worries me.

The guy playing Villager had a bet to run the clock out, so yeah. Not the norm.


Pretty sure from what I last read the norm was about 4m30sec for 2 stock.

 

[| Kailex |]

Iirc, if youre besides a ledge nana will always throw in a certain direction (forgot which throw or direction) which made chaingrabs possible. I dont really know what youre referring to, tink

 

[PMS | Tink-er]

Nana will always throw towards the closest ledge if you're close to it, and she favors back throw on platforms but might throw either forwards or backwards as her ai treats both sides of the platform as a ledge. When not near the ledge, her throws are random. The ledge handoff is performed by facing the ledge, grabbing with either of the ICs. Nana will always fthrow, and you can grab the opponent right after the throw with popo and have him dthrow or fthrow and time it so that nana grabs the opponent right after the throw before the enemy flies off. Repeat until you run out of room on the ledge and finish with a grab to smash, or you can start to wobble I guess. It's pretty difficult, as the exact timing is dependent on your opponent's weight class and size.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

Yea but, they suck in pm dog, as of now anyway. Like, unless they can actually compete with everyone else's buffed neutral and projectiles in 3.5 they ain't doin ****, just like this patch. Forget the punish game breh, means nothing if you can not get in.

CG no work
regrabs ezpz escape
Nana throw input 1 frame, try hand offs now
glhf

 

[PMS | Tink-er]

Really? I cry noa m8 y u do dis PMDT plz buff

 

[Professor Gravy]

speaking of grabs how dose air releasing work in PM

 

[| Kailex |]

If youre talking about opponents escaping from grabs, then it depends on what direction the opponent is holding before getting released, either up or down.