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[JOE!]

Not really a particular format aside from I guess the "standard" play, but the idea I'm running with is a black/white deck with heavy focus on enchantments

 

[CORY]

I'm guessing standard? Only difference is that my group plays with 80 cards instead of 60

errrr, well, i'm not sure how much i can help. i'm not familiar with the standard card pool, but 80 card decks just seems nonsensical ;x

 

[Saito]

haha the second gen was pretty bad-***. honestly i loved every generation from 1-4 ( 4 especially ). 5 wasn't very challenging or remarkable. and 6 is so...... yea lol.

Gen 5 had the best plot for me. Gamewise that is.

Games were no more difficult than the other ones for me.

Only one that was ridiculously easy was X/Y

 

[PillsBuryDopeBoy]

Gen 5 had the best plot for me. Gamewise that is.

Games were no more difficult than the other ones for me.

Only one that was ridiculously easy was X/Y

oh generation 5's plot was perdy damn good. And i also agree with u about gen 6's difficultly. It was SO easy, like im sure u could just finish the game with your starting pokemon with ease. plus team flare sucked ass.

 

[Brim]

Not really a particular format aside from I guess the "standard" play, but the idea I'm running with is a black/white deck with heavy focus on enchantments

Okay, first things first. You need to get your formats straight, I know this can be kinda weird because Magic can get really complicated with their rules, but this is just a given, and you need to know what Sets are still in Standard: anything from before Return to Ravnica is no longer legal in the Standard format. Careful going to tournaments, they actually have to check your decks to make sure it's legal. Here's the list of sets allowed in Standard.
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Second of all, you need to be more specific on what kind of deck idea you want to build. You need to have a central theme for the deck, like Aggro. Aggro is a type of deck that rushes in and beats your face in with heavy damage, mostly with creatures that are hard to block or just overrun your opponent which is one reason why token decks are popular. One theme people love to do, is run with the idea of a Guild from the Return to Ravnica set. A good example of a clan that runs great with the idea of aggro is Gruul because the Guild itself runs on the idea of big strong creatures. It's also essential to know what your colors do. Like Black. This color is best known for creature destruction and using your opponents' graveyard, whether it is just sending them to the graveyard via death or making sure their creatures don't re-enter the battlefield. Like Grafdigger's Cage. This card isn't legal but it was a great answer to stopping cards like Gravecrawler.
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Overall line, figure out what you want to do with the deck and work your deck around the idea. However, I'd highly recommend looking at abilities from cards to do that, like a fun token idea people have been doing revolved around the Young Pyromancer.
Let me just explain this little tidbit - Red is a big color in Magic where the entire theme is to burn your enemies, while occasionally rushing them with creatures, or using Goblins to kill them (trust me Goblins were a huge Red theme). Since the idea of "burning" your opponent in Magic means the use of instants or sorcery spells, think about this:
You have four of the Pyromancers out, let's say you cast an instant that to them, the Pyromancer ability says you get a token whenever you cast a red instant or sorcery. Since you have four of the Pyromancers out, you'll get four of the tokens because their abilities stacked here, and each time you cast a spell that is an instant or sorcery you get more of these tokens as long as your Pyromancers are alive.
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*Sigh* Sorry, long post kinda went on a rant there . . .
Have anymore questions, about Magic? Just ask me!

 

[Saito]

oh generation 5's plot was perdy damn good. And i also agree with u about gen 6's difficultly. It was SO easy, like im sure u could just finish the game with your starting pokemon with ease. plus team flare sucked ***.

Heres to hoping Z version blows everyone away with difficulty and story revamp.

Every gym leader/Elite four could have a mega.

I had made a list of the megas that each person would have.

I said Mega blastoise for Siebold.

Guess which mega he ended up having in the pokemon special

 

[Brim]

Gen 5 had the best plot for me. Gamewise that is.

Games were no more difficult than the other ones for me.

Only one that was ridiculously easy was X/Y

Totally agree here, except with the X/Y part - I haven't played it yet 'cause I'm poor. That's what happens when you need a car!

 

[Saito]

Totally agree here, except with the X/Y part - I haven't played it yet 'cause I'm poor. That's what happens when you need a car!

Trust me.

Even without using the OP exp share you will end up having a really easy time.

This is probably due to just average strategies from the AI along with access to a CRAZY amount of good pokemon in that region.

Sylveon alone could probably carry through the whole game.

 

[Strong Badam]

Pokemon Movies are all really really bad...

excuse me
but pokemon movie 1 is the best movie ever

 

[Brim]

errrr, well, i'm not sure how much i can help. i'm not familiar with the standard card pool, but 80 card decks just seems nonsensical ;x

Unless you're playing Commander you should almost never play with over 60 cards, a few over is fine, but never more than a few. Also, a general extra rule you should follow is use roughly 22-24 lands in your deck, and lands like Scry lands or Shock lands can have more than four copies of each said lands. Like, let's say you're playing a player that is using a land called "Temple of Deceit" (you'll see it in the Scry-lands link I provided) and he plays four more copies of this card. He is playing against the rules then and there, you cannot have more than four copies of any card in your deck aside from basic lands, which Scry lands and Shock Lands clearly do not fall into this category so you can only have four copies of each. It's the same rule with creature cards unless stated within the creature's text, and only one creature in the current Standard set bypasses that rule - don't worry about it, you probably won't run into the need to use the card or anyone playing it, almost no one plays it.
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By the way, I meant to add this earlier, you don't need Scry or Shock Lands if you're only playing one color, just an extra note I forgot to add.

Trust me.

Even without using the OP exp share you will end up having a really easy time.

This is probably due to just average strategies from the AI along with access to a CRAZY amount of good pokemon in that region.

Sylveon alone could probably carry through the whole game.

I wouldn't be surprised, Fairy types sound ridiculous, especially considering they're practically the Bane of dragons now.

 

[JOE!]

*snip*

Cool to know the formatting deal, and I know the gravecrawler all too well

I've actually made only 1 other deck before focusing on the Black Zombie tribe as a rather big Aggro deck using Zombie lords like the Death baron, Army of the Damned, and Endless Ranks of the Dead. This time I suppose I want to go much more control/defensive I suppose using things such as Orim's Prayer + Hissing Miasma as a simple combo there to make people think twice about attacks. I just need to narrow down my card choices, lol.

 

[Brim]

Cool to know the formatting deal, and I know the gravecrawler all too well

I've actually made only 1 other deck before focusing on the Black Zombie tribe as a rather big Aggro deck using Zombie lords like the Death baron, Army of the Damned, and Endless Ranks of the Dead. This time I suppose I want to go much more control/defensive I suppose using things such as Orim's Prayer + Hissing Miasma as a simple combo there to make people think twice about attacks. I just need to narrow down my card choices, lol.

As far as I'm aware there's not much in the current set that penalizes your opponent for attacking you in the current set. But, that's another thing to consider when playing, you need to figure out the theme of your winning strategy for the deck and stick with just that till it's done. I know there's amazing cards out there we all want to use on occasion, but sometimes you need to abandon them. Luckily for you, Black / White this set appears to be very control based this time around.

Dammit, didn't know I snipped.
Also, I felt like showing this because it's hilarious.

 

[PillsBuryDopeBoy]

Trust me.

Even without using the OP exp share you will end up having a really easy time.

This is probably due to just average strategies from the AI along with access to a CRAZY amount of good pokemon in that region.

Sylveon alone could probably carry through the whole game.

Lol the sad thing about all this, is that my mother sweeped the whole game with just blaziken. Now she did use his mega evolution (which is mad op), but she doesn't really know about type advantage and proper movesets. So if a semi noob pokemon player can beat the game with just one pokemon...... theres a problem.

Here's hoping Z increases the difficulty by a ton...... and that cynthia and her trollchomp make a return..... and that farfetch'd gets a mega evolution.

 

[Brim]

Lol the sad thing about all this, is that my mother sweeped the whole game with just blaziken. Now she did use his mega evolution (which is mad op), but she doesn't really know about type advantage and proper movesets. So if a semi noob pokemon player can beat the game with just one pokemon...... theres a problem.

Here's hoping Z increases the difficulty by a ton...... and that cynthia and her trollchomp make a return..... and that farfetch'd gets a mega evolution.

Dude, I wish my mom was even slightly that cool
/envy

 

[JOE!]

As far as I'm aware there's not much in the current set that penalizes your opponent for attacking you in the current set. But, that's another thing to consider when playing, you need to figure out the theme of your winning strategy for the deck and stick with just that till it's done. I know there's amazing cards out there we all want to use on occasion, but sometimes you need to abandon them. Luckily for you, Black / White this set appears to be very control based this time around.

Yeah, I guess I'm in an odd spot:

I know the ins and outs of -playing- MTG... but have 0 clue as to the whole format / sets deal of the game lol. Like, me and my group of players don't seem to follow the sets things and pretty much go with the rule of "60 cards minimum with more ok as long as you can shuffle quickly" and "nearly any cards are cool to use as long as they aren't "ancient" "

 

[Brim]

Yeah, I guess I'm in an odd spot:

I know the ins and outs of -playing- MTG... but have 0 clue as to the whole format / sets deal of the game lol. Like, me and my group of players don't seem to follow the sets things and pretty much go with the rule of "60 cards minimum with more ok as long as you can shuffle quickly" and "nearly any cards are cool to use as long as they aren't "ancient" "

My suggestion, just whenever you get the chance just try looking at the new and current sets via Amazon, unless you really want to go to a store that sells the cards to buy a bunch of packs first. The reason I recommend Amazon is they often times have the cards up even before the set is out, so you'd have a nice idea what you'd be getting into as well and the fact you don't have to pay to take a gander at the cards this way.
Sorry, been a long day. Had to work at 6 A.M.

 

[CORY]

well, if you guys don't have some crazy custom house ruleset where you have to use 80 card decks, you really should stop. it doesn't help you at all ;x

i can totally dig a "use whatever cards you have/can get" ruleset, though. nothing wrong with that. just drop your decksize down and you'll get WAAAAAAAY more consistent (and probably powerful!) just for using standard sized decks.

 

[JOE!]

Yeah, theres just so many cool cards tho / synergistic ones lol

 

[Oro?!]

Pokemon movie 1 is like the exception to the rule.

Maybe it's because I got out early and my childhood was not ingested by the Pokemon machine that I just consider the games average RPGs and everything else related to be complete idiocy. There are no redeeming qualities to the majority of things in Pokemon culture.

 

[hotdogturtle]

Like, me and my group of players don't seem to follow the sets things and pretty much go with the rule of "60 cards minimum with more ok as long as you can shuffle quickly" and "nearly any cards are cool to use as long as they aren't "ancient" "

That's what a lot of people do I think... If you're not serious about getting into "real" play (Friday Night Magic or any official leagues or whatever) then it doesn't really matter. As long as all your friends are equally as casual and aren't gonna use broken old combos or expensive cards that would otherwise be banned, lol. That's basically how I played when I got into Magic in middle school (didn't play during high school, and when I got to college I met people who were slightly more serious about it).

Regardless I think that you should work on using 60(ish) card decks anyway, because with more cards you're going to have less of a chance of drawing each one during a game.

 

[Brim]

Oh, I should've added that too. Honestly, doing that every once in a while is fun, but you really should get used to regular sized decks. Like I said earlier 60, only a few over if you really want.

 

[JOE!]

Hmm, I need to look at my Black Zombie deck then and cut some stuff down... it's currently sitting at about 75-76 IIRC

 

[Brim]

Give us a deck list for it when you can then. I think it is fair to say, it's just meant to completely overrun players right?

 

[CORY]

Give us a deck list for it when you can then. I think it is fair to say, it's just meant to completely overrun players right?

this. i'm sure this thread can help whittle down an oversized deck, especially if you can say what your main goal for it is.

 

[JOE!]

Black Zombie Deck:

Spoiler

• Mikaeus the Unhallowed - 1
• Sheoldred, Whispering One - 1
  
• Adaptive Automaton - 3
  
• Unbreathing Horde - 2
  
• Geralf's Messenger - 2
• Gnawing Zombie - 2
  
• Grave Titan - 2
  
• Gravecrawler - 2
• Undead Warchief - 2
• Death Baron - 2
  
• Gray Mechant of Asphodel - 2
  
• Ghoulraiser - 2
  
• Gravedigger - 1
• Nighthowler - 1
  
• 
  
• Doom Blade - 2
• Corrupt - 2
  
• Rise of the Dark Realms - 1
• Endless Ranks of the Dead - 2
  
• Geth's Verdict - 2
  
• Tribute to hunger - 2
  
• Hideous End - 1
• Sanguine Bond - 1
• Exquisite Blood - 1
• Army of the Damned - 1
• Rise from the Grave - 1
• Whip of Erebos - 1
• Hissing Miasma - 1
• Vile Rebirth - 2
• Wound Reflection - 1
• Diabolic Tutor - 1
• Stab Wound - 1
• Victim of Night - 1
• Sinister Possession - 1
  
• Swamp - 22
  
• Cabal Coffers - 2
• Crypt of Agadeem - 2
• TOTAL = 76

The main point is to get numerous Zombies out on the field, with lords to beef them up / add a layer of safety. A secondary goal is in general lifesteal with guys like the Gray merchant, who deals damage directly and gives it back as life just by entering the field (and is also a zombie) as a bit of safety / direct damage if they have a means to deal with a ton of creatures out on the field.

 

[Deleted member]

is there any stream going? i'm bored as **** right now

i'm on this right now:


43
4 Brainstorm
4 Burning Wish
3 Cabal Therapy
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Dark Ritual
3 Doomsday
4 Gitaxian Probe
1 Ideas Unbound
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
3 Lotus Petal
4 Ponder
1 Rain of Filth
4 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Thoughtseize

17
2 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
1 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island

Sideboard
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Doomsday
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Infernal Contract
1 Karakas
1 Massacre
1 Preordain
1 Shelldock Isle
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Thoughtseize
1 Time Spiral
1 Tropical Island

 

[Hungry Headcrab]

is there any stream going? i'm bored as **** right now

i'm on this right now:


43
4 Brainstorm
4 Burning Wish
3 Cabal Therapy
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Dark Ritual
3 Doomsday
4 Gitaxian Probe
1 Ideas Unbound
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
3 Lotus Petal
4 Ponder
1 Rain of Filth
4 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Thoughtseize

17
2 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
1 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island

Sideboard
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Doomsday
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Infernal Contract
1 Karakas
1 Massacre
1 Preordain
1 Shelldock Isle
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Thoughtseize
1 Time Spiral
1 Tropical Island

I'm not the most clued in on Legacy or Vintage or whatever this is, but what purpose does the sideboard Emrakul serve?

 

[Deleted member]

alternate win condition for leyline of sanctity sideboard, you do doomsday > git probe if they have v clique > shelldock. it's a pass the turn pile but EOT you emrakul them right there. usually goes with decay/chain and maybe a therapy since there's no white.

 

[Vashimus]

Pokemon movie 1 is like the exception to the rule.

Maybe it's because I got out early and my childhood was not ingested by the Pokemon machine that I just consider the games average RPGs and everything else related to be complete idiocy. There are no redeeming qualities to the majority of things in Pokemon culture.

Don't let Sapph hear this.

 

[Brozochron]

i used to play....but ever since the storm I could never bring myself to play again....

 

[Deleted member]

here's my alternate deck if i want to troll:

44
1 Flayer of the Hatebound
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Golgari Thug
3 Griselbrand
4 Ichorid
4 Narcomoeba
4 Nether Shadow
4 Phantasmagorian
4 Shambling Shell
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Street Wraith
4 Dryad Arbor

16
4 Bridge from Below
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Contagion
4 Dread Return

Sideboard
1 Forest
2 Nature's Claim
3 Noxious Revival
4 Reverent Silence
3 Sickening Shoal
2 Verdant Catacombs

 

[Hungry Headcrab]

I've been running this in Modern:

36
3 Black Sun's Zenith
3 Aethersnipe
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Coiling Oracle
2 Eternal Witness
4 Fleshbag Marauder
2 Grave Titan
3 Thragtusk
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Remand
3 Mimic Vat

24
4 Breeding Pool
4 Forest
2 Island
4 Overgrown Tomb
2 Swamp
4 Watery Grave
4 Woodland Cemetery

It's not particularly good, but it's a lot of fun.

 

[Plum]

Manaless Dredge and DDFT Umbreon?
You are a sick individual.

I play Goblins (splashing black for Warren Weirding and white for Thalia) and D&T primarily. I'm a Vial player through and through and hate to leave home without my Rishadan Ports.

 

[DrinkingFood]

So apparently MewTwo can't hover cancel if he does more than one aerial during a hover
Even though peach does not have that issue with her float
Y
PMBR y u do dis

 

[| Kailex |]

@Zef are you really quitting? I dont know whats going on but Ill be sad if you will... How can people quit this game... So sad

 

[Deleted member]

Manaless Dredge and DDFT Umbreon?
You are a sick individual.

I play Goblins (splashing black for Warren Weirding and white for Thalia) and D&T primarily. I'm a Vial player through and through and hate to leave home without my Rishadan Ports.

I was on Team America and I loved that deck but I wanted to try something different. I played AdN and Quad Laser for a while, but I got tired of them and wanted to be more deviant. Here's all of my deck lists for a reference:

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1195214
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1157682
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1116351
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1113954
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1105756

I actually had Team America on me at Apex 2013. I only play guru basics because my swag train has no brakes.

Playing Thalia in Goblins is absolutely correct. Pure aggro needs mana denial in tandem with pressure or it simply folds in the format. See: Fish, Goblins, White, RUG.

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

Don't let Sapph hear this.

Oh, I heard it. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and Pokemon isn't for everyone. Plenty of people who have actually looked into it (not the ones who haven't and are like "pokemon is for kids lol") end up not liking where the franchise has gone. He did say Pokemon 1 was good, and that movie was one of the biggest things other than the game itself that got me into Pokemon. I like it so much now that I just stuck through the bad things.

On that note, I avoid the Pokemon anime. The dub is impossible to watch for me, Ash's voice actor isn't the same as season 1. The sub is tolerable, but Pikachu's new design is so distracting that I tend to miss the good parts. It's the only part of the franchise that I can't get into. However, I definitely watch subs of all the movies, they're too good to miss and the upped animation/story quality balances out Pikachu's design.

 

[Brim]

I've been running this in Modern:

36
3 Black Sun's Zenith
3 Aethersnipe
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Coiling Oracle
2 Eternal Witness
4 Fleshbag Marauder
2 Grave Titan
3 Thragtusk
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Remand
3 Mimic Vat

24
4 Breeding Pool
4 Forest
2 Island
4 Overgrown Tomb
2 Swamp
4 Watery Grave
4 Woodland Cemetery

It's not particularly good, but it's a lot of fun.

Is there a particular goal to this deck? I'm seeing a lot of mixed up stuff in here, like Lifegain cards combined with mana-ramp, and various creature destruction - including some of your own creatures.
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Also, since we've been talking about Modern, I'll try to get the full decklist up, but I'm running a slightly modified Soul Sisters deck. Lifegain can be terrifying when used right.

 

[standardtoaster]

it snowed again today and is 19 out. we have had spring for like 2 weeks and now it's reverted back to winter. **** wisconsin

 

[JOE!]

Sanguine Bond: turning lifegain into free burn since 2010.