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[Yung Mei]

go away ill beat you up >

 

[Soft Serve]

go away ill beat you up >

I'm sorry mei mei boo

Platonic hand holding at evo?

 

[Yung Mei]

evo sux im goin to anime expo fam

 

[CORY]

go away ill beat you up >

You just mad you're wrong.

And a nerd.

You wrong nerd.

 

[Yung Mei]

cory you literally cant even read go away

 

[Bleck]

sfv: my first casual match was against a ken that didn't know how to block crossups and rage quit when I won

 

[Kurri ★]

Some people aren't so lucky.

MY GAME IS LEGIT MISSING R MIKA WHAT THE FUCK @Capcom_Unity pic.twitter.com/pucxjeP48V

— Pssych (@Pssychh) February 17, 2016

Good. One less R. Mika to worry about.

In case y'all haven't seen this, J.Wong made a big ass list of combos he's been doing. I'm a scrub who's still trying to get hold on links so one of you good players try this.

 

[radio silent]

Good. One less R. Mika to worry about.

In case y'all haven't seen this, J.Wong made a big *** list of combos he's been doing. I'm a scrub who's still trying to get hold on links so one of you good players try this.

Yeah, I've been using that same advance combo for Mika. She's got the tools to get you into the corner, and the tools to keep you there while she breaks every bone in your body.

MUSCLE SPIRIT, BABY

 

[trash?]

to judge a fighting game only a handful of moments into its existence is a bit foolhardy considering the general origins of super smash bros as a competitive format

people thought that you basically got nothing after knockdown in vanilla SF4, and that charge characters were king. despite the fact that fei long was pretty much strong enough to be godlike in every version, he somehow managed to be heavily buffed in two versions alone, because nobody properly usef him well until 2011

 

[Bleck]

any time I look at a combo and it starts with a jump in I'm like "nah"

in fact any combo that's more than like three hits I'm like yeah no sorry that's too much work

 

[Player -0]

Reminds me of my 3s Akuma

CHIP DAMAAAGUUU

Also resets off of tatsu hype.

 

[standardtoaster]

what an awful mindset, bleck

 

[Kurri ★]

any time I look at a combo and it starts with a jump in I'm like "nah"

in fact any combo that's more than like three hits I'm like yeah no sorry that's too much work

That seems pretty lame tbh

 

[PlateProp]

Mfw look at basic ken comboes and he doesnt have fair > fair > fair > dair

 

[KakuCP9]

Just let Bleck play Guile or Gief or some other character doesn't center around combos. Him not liking combos just means that he'd rather be zoning or prefer footsies.

 

[Bleck]

footsies and zoning is generally safer than "man I sure hope I don't **** up this 1-frame link, 'cause if I do they can probably punish me really hard and I don't think taking 400 damage is gonna be worth the extra 80 that I might get if I land this last HK"

Just let Bleck play Guile or Gief

I'm currently maining Rashid but if it turns out that he's only good as some kind of combomonster then yeah I'm switching to Gief (or Alex when he's released)

this is also why my Smash 4 main is Dedede and why I'm bad at Melee and only as good in PM as the grapplers are (i.e not at all)

 

[Kurri ★]

footsies and zoning is generally safer than "man I sure hope I don't **** up this 1-frame link, 'cause if I do they can probably punish me really hard and I don't think taking 400 damage is gonna be worth the extra 80 that I might get if I land this last HK"

>1-frame links
>Sleep Fighter V

They're all 3 frames, everything is 3 frames, nothing less.

 

[Bleck]

yeah, but, see, the thing is, who cares

anyone who thinks that 3 frames is notably easier than 1 frame has probably already graduated from korean frame counting school so it doesn't matter, and everyone who thinks that 1 frame was kind of a bull**** window (ahem!) was not, I assure you, asking for 3 frames instead

 

[Kurri ★]

yeah, but, see, the thing is, who cares

anyone who thinks that 3 frames is notably easier than 1 frame has probably already graduated from korean frame counting school so it doesn't matter, and everyone who thinks that 1 frame was kind of a bull**** window (ahem!) was not, I assure you, asking for 3 frames instead

1/20th of a second sounds a lot easier than 1/60th, and I'm garbo at SF. Only "combo" I can do consistently is Ryu's MP > HP > HK and that's a ****ing Target Combo so that doesn't even really count.

(jk, I can also F.HP > Shoryu)

 

[Grey Belnades]

My fortune cookie told me that "You have strong spiritual powers. You should choose to develop them."

Now I shall not only look really really strong for the living, but also for the dead. Call me if you need an exorcist. I will cast out that demon with Hustle, Loyalty, and Respect.

evo sux im goin to anime expo fam

Good choice. That way I won't have to body you for the third time when I could be spending the time boding some other nerd.

 

[Bleck]

1/20th of a second sounds a lot easier than 1/60th, and I'm garbo at SF. Only "combo" I can do consistently is Ryu's MP > HP > HK and that's a ****ing Target Combo so that doesn't even really count.

see the thing is, average human reaction time is around 15 frames-ish, assuming 60fps - I'm not exaggerating when I say that there's basically a lot of FGC people who can literally count frames after decades of practice, and that FG developers don't understand that most people can't ****in' do that

increasing the frame window by two frames really doesn't mean anything- the only reasonable way to make the game more physically accessible is a buffer, of probably like, ten frames, but if you start throwin' the b-word around people are gonna have mad tantrums

 

[CORY]

are you trying to react to each hit that uses a link as a hit confirm or something?

 

[Bleck]

honestly I don't even know what that means

 

[PlateProp]

3 frame link means you have 3 frames to continue one move of your combo into another move on certain things. In sf4 alot of theme were only 1 frame

 

[Bleck]

yes, I know that, thank you

 

[PlateProp]

Just making sure

 

[Binary Clone]

I love my smash group

 

[Kurri ★]

honestly I don't even know what that means

He's asking if you hit, check to make sure it hit, then continue with the next hit, with every hit. Which you don't need to do, because if a hit confirms, you're gucci

 

[Mc.Rad]

Is it bad that my Undertale Dating Sim has over 1,000 followers on it's tumblr?

 

[Bleck]

He's asking if you hit, check to make sure it hit, then continue with the next hit, with every hit. Which you don't need to do, because if a hit confirms, you're gucci

nnnnope, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything

 

[Kurri ★]

Is it bad that my Undertale Dating Sim has over 1,000 followers on it's tumblr?

I don't have a problem with Tumblr, but Undertale Dating Sim. Really? I mean, you do you, but... you know...

 

[Mc.Rad]

I don't have a problem with Tumblr, but Undertale Dating Sim. Really? I mean, you do you, but... you know...

I know the hell I'm facing and I'm fully embracing it with open arms

 

[GP&B]

nnnnope, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything

You made a point against 3FL by referencing average human reaction time when that's really not the factor that comes into play here. Rather, what's being tested is the ability to time presses well after you've initiated the combo. At the point of continuing your punish, no part of a combo requires reactive play. I think that's what Kurri was getting at.

 

[eideeiit]

Holy hell, there's actually a bigger scrub than me in this thread?!

Idk if I should feel happy or sad.

 

[Bleck]

You made a point against 3FL by referencing average human reaction time when that's really not the factor that comes into play here. Rather, what's being tested is the ability to time presses well after you've initiated the combo. At the point of continuing your punish, no part of a combo requires reactive play. I think that's what Kurri was getting at.

you misunderstand; I'm saying it's hard to learn the timing on the button presses for combos because human reaction time isn't fast enough to be able to register what you've done correctly without previous experience in learning how to do this - people who aren't already skilled at reproducing timing for combos in games like this are going to be told something like "combo Ryu's standing medium punch into a crouching hard punch" and they're going to go into training mode and have no idea how to do that other than just mashing the second input and hoping that they can guess where the timing is

the expectation is that it's gonna take a couple of minutes for them to get it down, but what the experienced players don't understand is that telling a person who is new to this whole thing to sit down and practice a thing that has a 1/20th of a second window of success is going to take hours of practice, doing a thing that has barely any feedback in a pedagogic capacity, and what shouldn't be a surprise is that telling them "well it used to be even harder" isn't going to help them learn it any faster, nor is it going to convince them that learning it is a good use of their time

my point is making the 1-frame links into 3-frame links only made it easier for people who already played fighting games often to do them, but does not make learning or practicing combos as a new player any significantly easier

 

[Binary Clone]

you misunderstand; I'm saying it's hard to learn the timing on the button presses for combos because human reaction time isn't fast enough to be able to register what you've done correctly without previous experience in learning how to do this - people who aren't already skilled at reproducing timing for combos in games like this are going to be told something like "combo Ryu's standing medium punch into a crouching hard punch" and they're going to go into training mode and have no idea how to do that other than just mashing the second input and hoping that they can guess where the timing is

the expectation is that it's gonna take a couple of minutes for them to get it down, but what the experienced players don't understand is that telling a person who is new to this whole thing to sit down and practice a thing that has a 1/20th of a second window of success is going to take hours of practice, doing a thing that has barely any feedback in a pedagogic capacity, and what shouldn't be a surprise is that telling them "well it used to be even harder" isn't going to help them learn it any faster, nor is it going to convince them that learning it is a good use of their time

my point is making the 1-frame links into 3-frame links only made it easier for people who already played fighting games often to do them, but does not make learning or practicing combos as a new player any significantly easier

Traditional fighters have always had that huge barrier to entry, though, and it's pretty difficult to take away that barrier without significantly changing a lot of things that are very central to the game - like that tech skill.

That's a big part of why I like smash, though - it's more reactive combo-wise and much of the game you can just kind of "feel out" with practice and general play.

 

[Kurri ★]

Holy hell, there's actually a bigger scrub than me in this thread?!

Idk if I should feel happy or sad.

I'm pretty sure no one is as scrubby as I am.

Mad Catz when are you going to announce the winners of your giveaway? I need my stick!

Traditional fighters have always had that huge barrier to entry, though, and it's pretty difficult to take away that barrier without significantly changing a lot of things that are very central to the game - like that tech skill.

That's a big part of why I like smash, though - it's more reactive combo-wise and much of the game you can just kind of "feel out" with practice and general play.

Rising Thunder seems to have done well. At least that's what people tell me.

 

[GP&B]

you misunderstand; I'm saying it's hard to learn the timing on the button presses for combos because human reaction time isn't fast enough to be able to register what you've done correctly without previous experience in learning how to do this - people who aren't already skilled at reproducing timing for combos in games like this are going to be told something like "combo Ryu's standing medium punch into a crouching hard punch" and they're going to go into training mode and have no idea how to do that other than just mashing the second input and hoping that they can guess where the timing is

the expectation is that it's gonna take a couple of minutes for them to get it down, but what the experienced players don't understand is that telling a person who is new to this whole thing to sit down and practice a thing that has a 1/20th of a second window of success is going to take hours of practice, doing a thing that has barely any feedback in a pedagogic capacity, and what shouldn't be a surprise is that telling them "well it used to be even harder" isn't going to help them learn it any faster, nor is it going to convince them that learning it is a good use of their time

my point is making the 1-frame links into 3-frame links only made it easier for people who already played fighting games often to do them, but does not make learning or practicing combos as a new player any significantly easier

You're talking about the initial learning curve and intuition of actually grasping combos in regards to this. I don't particularly disagree with you on that either, I just don't think that point was made especially clear in your earlier posts. Your last sentence references what you said earlier but the full context makes complete sense. Admittedly, being a place where a lot of FG stuff is a given to me now makes it a lot easier to overlook all that so sometimes things need to be put into perspective.

You're not an unreasonable person. I think you struggle with making presumptions about perception that few others (especially in PMS where most of the members already understand intermediate to advanced FG knowledge) will share without it being stated otherwise.

 

[standardtoaster]

you misunderstand; I'm saying it's hard to learn the timing on the button presses for combos because human reaction time isn't fast enough to be able to register what you've done correctly without previous experience in learning how to do this - people who aren't already skilled at reproducing timing for combos in games like this are going to be told something like "combo Ryu's standing medium punch into a crouching hard punch" and they're going to go into training mode and have no idea how to do that other than just mashing the second input and hoping that they can guess where the timing is

the expectation is that it's gonna take a couple of minutes for them to get it down, but what the experienced players don't understand is that telling a person who is new to this whole thing to sit down and practice a thing that has a 1/20th of a second window of success is going to take hours of practice, doing a thing that has barely any feedback in a pedagogic capacity, and what shouldn't be a surprise is that telling them "well it used to be even harder" isn't going to help them learn it any faster, nor is it going to convince them that learning it is a good use of their time

my point is making the 1-frame links into 3-frame links only made it easier for people who already played fighting games often to do them, but does not make learning or practicing combos as a new player any significantly easier

What I always did for finding the timing of links such as ryu St.HK(stand hard kick) > St.LK(stand low kick) was to do St.HK then hold up after pressing the button. You will jump as soon as the HK is over. I do that a few times to get a rough idea of how long I need to wait before pressing the next button. I can usually get the timing down after about 5 mins. It's the best way I've figured out for getting timings down.

This is the exact same method I use to help people stop mashing buttons to get a link out and start timing then.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I just don't think that point was made especially clear in your earlier posts.

Bleck does that a lot.

Smooth Criminal