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[NW_Gump]

What's complicated about it? If you can chain buttons into sweep, you can perform a basic combo with pretty much anyone in Guilty Gear that will end in a knockdown. That's more than I can say for something like Street Fighter.

Pretty much every character has some high execution barrier of entry stuff that they need to learn in order to play the game beyond the lowest level. Even Potemkin who is probably the easiest to play has stuff like Hammerfall cancels in combos. You can perform a basic 1, 2, 3, launch, air 1,2,3,4 in marvel too but that by no means is how you'll win, it's just the very simplest way to do combos. Doing a chain into a sweep is like punishing a shoryuken with a sweep in street fighter, sure it technically works, but if you want to actually go somewhere you gotta do the harder stuff.

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

Pretty much every character has some high execution barrier of entry stuff that they need to learn in order to play the game beyond the lowest level. Even Potemkin who is probably the easiest to play has stuff like Hammerfall cancels in combos. You can perform a basic 1, 2, 3, launch, air 1,2,3,4 in marvel too but that by no means is how you'll win, it's just the very simplest way to do combos. Doing a chain into a sweep is like punishing a shoryuken with a sweep in street fighter, sure it technically works, but if you want to actually go somewhere you gotta do the harder stuff.

I haven't gotten the chance to really get deep into the game yet but maybe Street Fighter? I think it's gonna be hard to find any traditional fighter that isnt technically demanding one way or another though tbh.

I mean obviously I'm going to have to deal with some difficulty in inputs and like I'm no stranger to that (i did play lucas for a month and learn all the techskill altho I couldn't apply it and wasn't very good)
I more just mean unnecessary stuff like random one frame links or silly pretzel inputs or minimal buffer like kof

kof is fun but it's stressful to play (I also haven't put enough time into it to judge)

from games that I've played (not many) it seems that skullgirls honestly has a really lenient/intuitive/not stupid input system

 

[MechWarriorNY]

And then casuls be like

anyways.
Why do humans do that?

 

[SunJester]

Melee isn't even about melee anymore. Its about a circle-jerky status of late teens/early 20 somethings who grew up on the Gamecube trying to desperately cling to some semblance of their childhood past. These are the same people who will -insist- to you that Double Dash is the best Mario Kart game, and that Super Mario Sunshine is the best Mario game.

These are people who in five years will insist that they don't make music as good as Fall Out Boy or American Idiot Green Day anymore, and that kids these days just don't understand.



The only other explanation I can explain the Melee community is that its simply because they've built their whole lives around a single game (rather than a genre, or a franchise, or just games in general), and if that game dies they believe they'll have no connection to their friends and lose their sense of identity.


Maybe I'm biased, I'm sick as **** of seeing Fox in every goddamn match on the same ****ing five six stages.

 

[Bleck]

Melee isn't even about melee anymore. Its about a circle-jerky status of late teens/early 20 somethings who grew up on the Gamecube trying to desperately cling to some semblance of their childhood past. These are the same people who will -insist- to you that Double Dash is the best Mario Kart game, and that Super Mario Sunshine is the best Mario game.

These are people who in five years will insist that they don't make music as good as Fall Out Boy or American Idiot Green Day anymore, and that kids these days just don't understand.



The only other explanation I can explain the Melee community is that its simply because they've built their whole lives around a single game (rather than a genre, or a franchise, or just games in general), and if that game dies they realize they believe they'll have no connection to their friends and lose their sense of identity.


Maybe I'm biased, I'm sick as **** of seeing Fox in every goddamn match on the same ****ing five six stages.

quoted for goddamn truth

 

[standardtoaster]

@ Kurogal Yeah, I got the pdf issue fixed. No I don't remember having any dreams when I wake up. I can only remember one dream I had like 12 years ago that my dad almost fell off a bridge or something but that's literally the only one I can remember.

 

[MLGF]

Melee does have its charms and it's rude to say Melee fans are stuck in the past.

I get more annoyed when Melee players dismiss PM as fraudulent or whatever, that seems to be outright malevolent and misinformed.

And wow, you kids like FE7, honestly I'm not fond of any of the GBA games. They all have this barfy color scheme that makes me sick. And a story that tries to do something different for FE... but has a lot of plot holes. Still, a lot of good maps. Glad to see people are taking interest with the series though

Tellius da bess' though

 

[mimgrim]

that Super Mario Sunshine is the best Mario game.

Obviously Super Mari RPG is the best Mario game. Duh.

And wow, you kids like FE7, honestly I'm not fond of any of the GBA games. They all have this barfy color scheme that makes me sick. And a story that tries to do something different for FE... but has a lot of plot holes. Still, a lot of good maps. Glad to see people are taking interest with the series though

Tellius da bess' though

I've been into the series ever since I played Shadow Dragon for the first time, my first FE, ehich was, like, very close to its release date if not right on it, got it because I saw it in Nintendo Power and thought it looked really interesting.

I actually find the animation bd overall color scheme of the GBA games to be very charming and vibrant. It just feels right.

And the Tellius games are right behind FE7 for me (they use to be my fave till I finally got to play FE7) followed by Ss and SD tied for next best and then Awakening, haven't played the Japan only ones yet and probs won't be able to for a while still.

 

[Vashimus]

Pretty much every character has some high execution barrier of entry stuff that they need to learn in order to play the game beyond the lowest level. Even Potemkin who is probably the easiest to play has stuff like Hammerfall cancels in combos. You can perform a basic 1, 2, 3, launch, air 1,2,3,4 in marvel too but that by no means is how you'll win, it's just the very simplest way to do combos. Doing a chain into a sweep is like punishing a shoryuken with a sweep in street fighter, sure it technically works, but if you want to actually go somewhere you gotta do the harder stuff.

Is there anything really inherently wrong with learning complicated stuff for your character? Some people would argue that everything should be made as easy as possible, but I think it's natural for things to get more complex as you improve at the game. It's what gives the games depth and makes high level play compelling to watch. Your mileage may vary depending on who you're learning, but you're still able to learn at your own pace and get things down little by little. Good Potemkin players still very much do a chain into sweep. But because they wanted improve with the character, yes, they eventually did have to learn his hammerfall cancels. Learning it by itself, then using it in blockstrings, and then ultimately in combos.

You don't want to have your player be forced to run before he can walk, but doing complex and difficult stuff is par for the course for the fighting genre. Some moves are harder to do than others. Some characters are harder to use than others. These are things we accept because they're something to work towards, an accomplishment. Doing flashy, hard **** is something people notice and can respect. That's why we tolerate it.

 

[drakargx]

I can't remember a single dream I have at all. Am I supposed to remember dreams? lol

No, you're not

Write what you dreamed down immediately after you wake up and then you can, otherwise your brain won't hold onto it

Also, I can't tell if I'm good at lucid dreaming, or if I just wake up in the middle of a dream and control it while I'm half awake

 

[MechWarriorNY]

The only sort of sleep I've ever had is the dreamless sort.
...I don't know what to make of that, personally.

 

[DethM]

I find that while I very rarely experience nightmares, they're easier for me to remember.

 

[standardtoaster]

no, i literally do not remember any sort of dreams i may or may not have had when i wake up. it's just a blank slate lol

 

[Helsong]

I remember a decent amount of my dreams, or at least the premise of them. It's often the ones that are grounded in reality that are the easiest for me to remember.

 

[Lizalfos]

like that's cool and all but you're like 15 or something so I'm fairly certain I'm allowed to ignore your opinions




yes, l-canceling is dumb, I agree

L canceling isn't the only thing that makes PM and Melee essentially the same, you're blind if you can't see that.

L canceling is a pretty pointless hold over, but you're pretty irrational about techskill in all kinds of mechanics.

You're that guy who complains about wall jumping in Super Metriod without thinking to see why it has to be that way.

PM players circle jerk around how great PM is and how neglected we are.
We are M'lay elitism and Smash 4/Brawl babies rolled into one.

And I'm 16 now, Grandpa.

 

[Mansta]

I only have scary dreams and wtf trippy dreams, no good ones.
I remember a lot of them because they all have some sort of plot or continuity.
School is one place that just grows more rooms as I go through more years of school, as an example.

 

[Player -0]

Either I don't remember any dream, forget the dream later (and only sometimes remember it again, feeling of loss is real), or just remember it straight up (not all the details and feels though).

When you dream, get up and then go back to bed because it's really early to try and get the dream back but it doesn't work.

 

[Yung Mei]

oh ****, i had a dream once that i was at a tournament and i was playing one of the smash guys from up north, and i 3-0'd him and 3-4 stocked him each game, and i reach in for the handshake, and BAM HE ****IN STABS ME IN THE CHEST


WHAT THE **** MAN

 

[Lizalfos]

No one would argue that if PM were Brawl, Melee would be dead or much smaller then it currently is.

And yes, Melee players like Melee and prefer the smaller matchup pool and get some dopamine junk from the (overrated) tech barrier over PM. I think objectively, 3.5 is a better executed Melee, but eh that's life.

I can't argue that the stigma some Melee players make for PM hurts it unfairly. And I can't help but feel annoyed when a game that rewards the same basic mechanics is dismissed for gimmicks when generally a lot of top players have the same mindset as Melee players and Melee has Fox Mc'Cloud.

The tech barrier is a one frame diff for christ's sake. PM has identical strengths and flaws as Melee.

I find that while I very rarely experience nightmares, they're easier for me to remember.

The content of most dreams is negative for most people.

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

MEILING HAD A DREAM

MEILING HAD A DREAM

KARPY HAD A DREAM

 

[Mansta]

All of my dreams have two story arcs, that kind of makes it hard to remember sometimes.

I had a dream that a house boat I was taking to Korea (no mention of north or south) got hijacked at gun point by a random ass family, and then after being scared for a while we hung out because they were actually pretty chill.
Then after that we found out that Korea was just a giant pool party and we just rolled with it. I don't remember what was after that though.

 

[standardtoaster]

I'm back to trying to fix my USB Gecko. This little solder sucker is absolutely ****. I really need one of the vacuum powered ones.

 

[9Kplus1]

I really need one of the vacuum powered ones.

Wow that really sucks, ST

 

[mimgrim]

Sometimes when I wake-up I just know I dreamt about something, usually only when I dreamed basically right to the point of waking, but as soon as I am up, and I mean as as soon as I realize I'm awake (so basically instant) whatever it was is gone completely. Other then that and some instances from childhood (of which I can actually remember some of those dreams even now, most could/would probably be considered nightmares though lol as they generally involved a giant monster (one like this also involved giant present boxes with arms and legs on roller skates racing and beating up the monster xD) of some sort going on a rampage and me somehow being in the middle of it, except for one that involved Zurg attacking my home and killing my parents LOL and another one that didn't involve any monsters or anything like but was like Two and a Half Men based but more adultish then it already was and the only thing I can really remember from it is that it seemed to be in a casino for what ever reason and woman appeared in some kind of body suit that was a naked body then she took the body suit off and was still naked. Had some weird ass dream as a kid.) I haven't dreamed much as far as I know.

 

[Kurogal]

How about me? Are you interested in calling me a baka and stomping on me? Wanna maek out bb? Hmu gorl.

Baka stomping sounds fun, but the rest, eh, I'll get back to you on that unless I can take just the Baka stomping.

I'm currently doing more research into AI as I pursue my master's. I'd like to make games some day, but I'll settle for it being a side hobby.
As for careers? Trophy wife I'm either going to stay as a researcher in academia or go out and be a standard software engineer. There's worse ways to spend my life, and it'll give me opportunities to pursue my major hobbies.

If you want to really converse about it, get some sleep and pm me later! It'll be far easier on both of us, I assure you.
For me at least, I tend to not get overly heated in online conversations, mostly because while I do type stream of consciousness, I tend to be a very..unemotional person in my surface thoughts. I actually get very emotional beneath the surface, but it rarely comes to the fore.

How about you? Going to school as well? Play Smash competitively? You mentioned your avatar earlier-where's that from? My initial reaction is: lewd, haha. You don't need to share if its particularly nsfw.

Spoiler

Ah, that's pretty interesting, what are you researching AI for, any particular career paths or just everything it can offer?
And side hobby sounds much safer from an economic standpoint, although what games are you planning on making if you do start?
So what do you mean by stay as a researcher, or if you become a software engineer, what d you think those will be like?

And alright, I will, I wasn't really planning on starting a discussion like that while so sleep deprived anyway. That also sounds good about being unemotional on the surface, although you could feel free to tell me how you feel under the surface if I actually start that conversation.

Hm, yeah I'd say I'm a student depending on your definition of going to school.
Nope, I'm casual trash at everything, especially Melee, although I'm hoping that I'll be able to get decent at smash 4 at least.
And it's of Hideyoshi from Baka and Test (Baka to Test to Shoukanjuu), drawn as a hot ganguro trap. And thanks, I take lewd as a compliment.

@ Kurogal Yeah, I got the pdf issue fixed. No I don't remember having any dreams when I wake up. I can only remember one dream I had like 12 years ago that my dad almost fell off a bridge or something but that's literally the only one I can remember.

That's good to hear, how did you get around not having Adobe Acrobat? And did you ever find a way to run notepad++ plugins automatically?
And, that sounds pretty interesting. I wonder why you can't remember anything at all?
Oh, and while we're talking about dreams, here's a video about the function of dreams.

And speaking of dreams, I'm gonna go to sleep now, have good night/day everyone, and have fun getting stabbed in more ways than one @ Yung Mei !

 

[Bleck]

L canceling is a pretty pointless hold over, but you're pretty irrational about techskill in all kinds of mechanics.

You're that guy who complains about wall jumping in Super Metriod without thinking to see why it has to be that way.

I used to speedrun Super Metroid as a hobby, gg no re

 

[Bazkip]

Melee isn't even about melee anymore. Its about a circle-jerky status of late teens/early 20 somethings who grew up on the Gamecube trying to desperately cling to some semblance of their childhood past. These are the same people who will -insist- to you that Double Dash is the best Mario Kart game, and that Super Mario Sunshine is the best Mario game.

Didn't that age range grow up with the N64? Especially considering the GameCube sold less than the 64.

 

[Yung Mei]

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How about me? Are you interested in calling me a baka and stomping on me? Wanna maek out bb? Hmu gorl.

you tryna steal my waifu, ill **** you up son

 

[TheDarkMysteryMan]

I one time had a dream about cream the rabbit being held by those tenticles Raven has from Teen Titans in my grandmas room. When she was pulled into the portal where they came from I look to my left to find Billy from The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy crying because he lost his teeth.

Once I left the room the hallway was full of water.

 

[Lizalfos]

I used to speedrun Super Metroid as a hobby, gg no re

I thought emergent gameplay was your trigger.

 

[Helsong]

Spoiler

Ah, that's pretty interesting, what are you researching AI for, any particular career paths or just everything it can offer?
And side hobby sounds much safer from an economic standpoint, although what games are you planning on making if you do start?
So what do you mean by stay as a researcher, or if you become a software engineer, what d you think those will be like?

And alright, I will, I wasn't really planning on starting a discussion like that while so sleep deprived anyway. That also sounds good about being unemotional on the surface, although you could feel free to tell me how you feel under the surface if I actually start that conversation.

Hm, yeah I'd say I'm a student depending on your definition of going to school.
Nope, I'm casual trash at everything, especially Melee, although I'm hoping that I'll be able to get decent at smash 4 at least.
And it's of Hideyoshi from Baka and Test (Baka to Test to Shoukanjuu), drawn as a hot ganguro trap. And thanks, I take lewd as a compliment.

My research is borne solely out of my own interest in the subject. I'm fortunate enough the have the opportunity to do that. As far as games go...I've got a wide variety of genres I'm interested in. I've got a group of people I collaborate with on different projects, but we have yet to release a full game. Granted, we only formed like..two months ago. It's a side project, we'll see where it goes.
If I stay as a researcher, that means I'd be going for my PhD. As nice as it would be to do so, I don't know if I want to keep jumping through higher academia's hoops for the majority of my prime adult life. Software Engineer is a position in a company. I make programs and applications for them, maintain currently existing IT infrastructure(not all of it, usually a certain aspect of it), or work on projects that require my talents. Stuff like that.

I'm looking forward to it!

I think I've heard the name of the show somewhere, but I doubt I've ever seen it. And I'm glad to hear I didn't offend you.

All of my dreams have two story arcs, that kind of makes it hard to remember sometimes.

I've had dreams with on-going story arcs before. I actually remember them better, since my mind continually goes back to that narrative. They're honestly my favorite kinds of dreams, it's like reading a book.

 

[SpiderMad]

Some people enjoy Melee and not PM, they have room to grow in perspective.

Some people enjoy PM and not Melee, they have room to grow in perspective.

Some people enjoy ****ty games that aren't PM, Melee, Wc3, Dota 1, SC:BW, SF3:3s, Urban Terror 4.2, and Legions Overdrive, they suck and are doomed.

 

[TheDarkMysteryMan]

Some people enjoy Melee and not PM, they have room to grow in perspective.

Some people enjoy PM and not Melee, they have room to grow in perspective.

Some people enjoy ****ty games that aren't PM, Melee, Wc3, Dota 1, SC:BW, SF3:3s, Urban Terror 4.2, and Legions Overdrive, they suck and are doomed.

I don't see Killing Floor 1 on that list...

 

[VinceX]

Some people enjoy ****ty games that aren't PM, Melee, Wc3, Dota 1, SC:BW, SF3:3s, Urban Terror 4.2, and Legions Overdrive, they suck and are doomed.

You suck at your Bleck impersonification. Try harder

 

[Deleted member]

Tonight marks the fifth Project M tournament (in a row, to add insult to injury) I've attended where I've gone to Loser's Round 2 and lost.

I'm entering in as LR2 until I can decide to play PM

 

[mimgrim]

Some people enjoy PM and not Melee, they have room to grow in perspective.

I enjoy Melee as long as I don't take it seriously. The moment I try to take it seriously, though, well... not so much.

 

[himemiya]

You suck at your Bleck impersonification. Try harder

Lol is bleck seriously that horrible of a person? 2nd time his name popped up for some bull**** here.

 

[mimgrim]

Lol is bleck seriously that horrible of a person? 2nd time his name popped up for some bull**** here.

Bleck is best waifu.

 

[Bleck]

how dare you

 

[drakargx]

no, i literally do not remember any sort of dreams i may or may not have had when i wake up. it's just a blank slate lol

That happens to everyone in different frequencies I think, unfortunately I don't think there's much you can do other than to write down that you didn't remember anything when you woke up, which might make you start to remember

In other news,

So glad I'm getting As, this semester sucked. Having to wake up for physics at 8am every day of the week and then getting tired at around 5pm was getting to me