Project M Social Thread Gold

[MechWarriorNY]

...Pure ≠ good.
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[trash?]

I just dislike esports for the same reason I dislike most forms of mainstream acceptance: far too much of it is incredibly dishonest. like that alex strife ****, people like chibo knew of what he did before it got out publicly and didn't do anything about it because he seemed to act fine otherwise

I used to be into a lot of comp stuff. there were slurs everywhere, constant discussion of sexual abuse, and any attempt at talking down at doing those would give you a mass dogpile because "you were a bit mean to someone ohhhh nooooo"

esports is the portland resident that doesn't see color and gets mad at no white history month, distilled into a single concept

 

[Lizalfos]

this is literally how all sports organizations work

The NFL isn't trying to sell me Super Football 4 Ultimate Edition and their other properties like Super Gymnastics Sisters: Superstar Saga.

Having an organization crated in the interest of a sport is very different than establishing an organization that creates a sports in the interest of the organization.

 

[MagnesD3]

As long as the PMBR doesnt get dishearted Im happy. Screw the others.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Canon nailed it.
/topic

 

[Bleck]

The NFL isn't trying to sell me Super Football 4 Ult

 

[Yung Mei]

This thread is disgusting in serious topics, keep that **** for reddit. I thought we were supposed to talk school girl ivysaur waifu and toilets.

ilu pls respond

 

[Ramz289]

Out of curiosity did you make this video or is this...someone else's...?

Nope. @Omni did.


Kimleaving4realznowbye

 

[trash?]

also, you might have all noticed that the forums crashed today

my attempt to crash smashboards with the worst username of all time has not gone unnoticed @Warchamp7 pic.twitter.com/ia4nEiyMsC

— pidge, the Super Jumper (Agent Stone enjoyer) (@pidgezero_one) February 6, 2015

I think I know why

 

[Grey Belnades]

As long as the PMBR doesnt get dishearted Im happy. Screw the others.

Yeah. I wanna play Ly...onardo soon.

 

[| Kailex |]

ilu pls respond

Bby i might record stuff for your "combo video" today

 

[SunJester]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Mildly salty that twitch messed up and they couldn't stream

 

[Yung Mei]

Bby i might record stuff for your "combo video" today

if you do i will literally fly to whatever country you live and kiss you right on the mouth
tongue or no tongue thats entirely up to you, im down for whatever

 

[trash?]

we can see sethlon enter godhood later, dw

he will be the phoenix project m needs, but will he be the phoenix we deserve?

 

[MechWarriorNY]

if you do i will literally fly to whatever country you live and kiss you right on the mouth
tongue or no tongue thats entirely up to you, im down for whatever

 

[MagnesD3]

Yeah. I wanna play Ly...onardo soon.

And Chu......ckles.

 

[Lizalfos]

I didn't say they don't merchandise. That is fine by me. My problem is that the organization precedes the sport.

Ultimately, the idea of competitive football is followed by the idea of a national organization that will regulate and profit off it.

In the cases of Riot and Valve. They created organizations with the idea of profit followed by creating competitive games as a means.

 

[Bleck]

why does that matter

 

[trash?]

temporariness, basically. football ain't ever leaving, but what about smash? it was only a decade and a half ago that quake thought that they had longevity, look how that turned out.

games gotta get sequels, sometimes they're not up to par, scenes die as a result. melee is beautiful basically solely because it survived such a problem

that's the greatest problem to any sort of comp scene: is what you're doinmg so competitively viable, that you can play it decades down the line and still have a scene?

 

[Grey Belnades]

if you do i will literally fly to whatever country you live and kiss you right on the mouth
tongue or no tongue thats entirely up to you, im down for whatever

And Chu......ckles.

Don't forget about Is...is?

 

[Brim]

we can see sethlon enter godhood later, dw

he will be the phoenix project m needs, but will he be the phoenix we deserve?

I thought Sethlon entered godhood awhile ago.

 

[| Kailex |]

@ Yung Mei

 

[Bleck]

I don't think you guys are looking at this the right way

like you're talking as if sports are these infallible games that everyone supports forever and then organizations latched onto them because of it to make a profit, whereas the truth is that these sports are the monoliths they are because of the efforts of organizations

like I'm sorry, people wouldn't just magically produce the millions if not billions of dollars that it takes for football to be what it is if all the organizations suddenly pulled the plug - if Football™ suddenly didn't have the money to have stadiums or broadcasts or pay players a lot to entice them into throwing their bodies away to do it and etc., there would just not be football

you guys are talking as if previous competitive games died out because they weren't "good" enough, where I think the reality is that previous games have never had the audience to succeed on the level that other "real" sports have, and now e-sports are slowly but surely getting to a point where that's possible but everyone is bummed that it involves the opinions and actions of people other than their little groups of nerds (and I say that as lovingly as possible)

this also kind of ties into why Nintendo wants to get away from Melee if they plan to support the competitive scene

 

[Bazkip]

This may be the greatest dream anyone will ever have

Took a nap thinking about @Kagethewarrior and @Bizzarro_Flame's upcoming $1000 Money Match, dreamed of this somehow: pic.twitter.com/BbqCKk0NHk

— Tian (@Tian_SSBM) February 6, 2015

 

[OSCA MIKE]

this is melee all over again

 

[Lizalfos]

why does that matter

What Cannon said and the fact that the LoL competitive wouldn't exist in a world without Riot bolstering and consequently controlling it constantly.

Football became highly competitive, and then organization with a profit motive grew off it. The NFL doesn't exist in a world without football.

Videogame publishers exist in a world without competitive games. It makes the community expendable, and the foundation of the system is profit instead of sport.

 

[Giygacoal]

School girls, Ivysaur, and waifus are dumb yo.

School girls are hardcore ****, old man. They'd hurricane kick you or something.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Expendable ≠ gonna disappear because the devs said "no more community pls".
This is common-sense stuff, come on.

 

[PlateProp]

I mean, it's been like 10 years of melee and it's just barely starting to stale i suppose and that's only with 8 characters

Pm's got 41, that's at least 40 years right there

 

[MechWarriorNY]

inb4 someone tries to argue with that

 

[trash?]

the point @ Lizalfos is making is: nintendo doesn't particularly need smash, and can cut off all support whenever it feels like. the NFL can't cut off football, because the NFL basically is football, plain and simple

a sport tends to not go from greatness to bust within a few years. even MMA, considering how new it is in the world of sports, has stability. games don't, even the strongest titles like a street fighter title can die off in a few years

 

[Lizalfos]

Expendable ≠ gonna disappear because the devs said "no more community pls".
This is common-sense stuff, come on.

I agree that the community can exist without the publisher's constant support, but do you really think that communities that formerly had constant dependence on the publisher will survive without it all of the sudden? It is better that the community claims control of the competitive scene, so they are independent of the publisher's control.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Well, we DO control it, our PR reps are just limp noodles/willful shills.
okay though lel

 

[trash?]

you only need to see the times MLG dropped melee and brawl to know that the community takes a big hit from losing those kind of sponsors, yeah

though melee didn't die so it's not all doom and gloom, just... be aware, s'all

 

[Lizalfos]

Well, we DO control it, our PR reps are just limp noodles/willful shills.
okay though lel

You are right in the case of Smash. I was talking about the incoming mobapocalypse.

Edit: @ trash? While MLG isn't perfect, at least Melee getting dropped doesn't effect the other games on the MLG circuit. MLG promotes the idea of competitive games in the mainstream as a whole.

MLG wants to sell you on the sport. The publisher wants to sell you on the game.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

S'always darkest before dawn.

 

[Yung Mei]

@ Yung Mei
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thats literally what youre gonna look like when im done with you

Spoiler: me

 

[Bleck]

Melee's been a shambling corpse for literally close to a decade

like I'm pretty sure the issue here is that streamers and TOs and etc. want their efforts to actually go somewhere and to develop something that's actually accessible to people and is worthwhile for Nintendo and/or other sponsors to actually take notice of

I'm honestly suspicious that the "legality" of PM is just a front, and they're just dropping it left and right because it's not accessible - the only reason they haven't followed suit with Melee is because they're testing the waters to see how viable it is to just move onto Smash 4 (and any subsequent games) so as to minimize the backlash from the Melee community, which I maintain is significantly smaller than it might seem despite it's enormous volume

 

[Strong Badam]

Sethlons combo blew my mind

 

[PlateProp]

Sure would be nice if the pmdt would share whatever it is that's keeping them so calm instead of sitting on it and letting everyone panic and ****.