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i get bored of playing melee pretty quickly when i do sessions, which is really sad because i LOVE the engine so much. just going to tournaments and 70% of my enemies being Fox or Falco, and 10% of the rest being Falcon, it's so depressing seeing such little variety. :\
it'd probably be less of an obstacle for me if there wasn't another game with almost the exact same engine without abysmal game balance lol
i get bored of playing melee pretty quickly when i do sessions, which is really sad because i LOVE the engine so much. just going to tournaments and 70% of my enemies being Fox or Falco, and 10% of the rest being Falcon, it's so depressing seeing such little variety. :\
it'd probably be less of an obstacle for me if there wasn't another game with almost the exact same engine without abysmal game balance lol
Oh yeah, okay. I'm really stupid. I've been misunderstanding a lot of things for the past two hours now. Sorry for the inconvenience; I really should go to bed. Good night, everyone/
and like the issue is that if smash 4 was the only smash game I'd probably play it lol but I can't play any smash game that has the visual cues of melee/pm but not the engine
like does anyone remember that competing systems xkcd comic
I feel like every fighting game dev ever set out to make the objectively best fighting game but everyone came up a little bit short in different ways
like I've heard people say that third strike or kof 98 are objectively the best but they're also dated and dont have the complexity of current gen fighters from what I've heard
and then there's the people who circlejerk over virtua fighter but like that's console only
Thanks to the website smashboards, it is much easier for me to spread the truth. Thanks to the god of PM as well as the people who spent their time playing the game. However, as a messenger I wont be able to communicate because of the message I have to share on this world. Ill keep in touch whenever I have the free time. But for now, farewell brothers and sister of hype....
i get bored of playing melee pretty quickly when i do sessions, which is really sad because i LOVE the engine so much. just going to tournaments and 70% of my enemies being Fox or Falco, and 10% of the rest being Falcon, it's so depressing seeing such little variety. :\
it'd probably be less of an obstacle for me if there wasn't another game with almost the exact same engine without abysmal game balance lol
SB come to AZ, you'll be closer now that you're moving to Texas
I guarenteed you'll run into more characters. We have like, 5 fox mains max in pheonix, and maybe 4 falcon mains in the whole state. Half the brackets are marth and ganon, it's great. Everyone has a marth, a low tier, and can shield drop, otherwise papa taj laughs at them with DMX playing in the background
and like the issue is that if smash 4 was the only smash game I'd probably play it lol but I can't play any smash game that has the visual cues of melee/pm but not the engine
like does anyone remember that competing systems xkcd comic
I feel like every fighting game dev ever set out to make the objectively best fighting game but everyone came up a little bit short in different ways
like I've heard people say that third strike or kof 98 are objectively the best but they're also dated and dont have the complexity of current gen fighters from what I've heard
and then there's the people who circlejerk over virtua fighter but like that's console only
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vid 3 is just mango testing the stream but at 12:19 - 14:45 he gets a skipe call from D1 each i though was kinda cool, idk is you wanna do something with that but there it is.
It's only the first vids because i haven't gotten around to seeing the other ones, like I said, It'll take a while. I was also hoping to have this to you by Sunday but **** happens.
My writing is crap so I hope this all makes sense lol.
One of the easier challenges I have is Squirtle's SH Fair WL twice in a row. http://smashboards.com/threads/squirtle-squad-general-disc.331682/page-48#post-18149112
If you can accomplish that you'll be instantly better than "the most technical squirtle player", who thought this was impossible; showing that he lacks tech skill not only in early aerials (which Squirtle in pre-3.5 was super ripe with potential on more than most of the cast) but also demonstrates you're probably also unfamiliar at certain other frame strict options like on the ledge for instance ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl5Sfu-v1nU , Marth's ledge drop DJ Shield breaker regrab M2K does, Diddy's peanut gun regrab SeagullJoe does, Falco's low SHDL, Spacies/others ledge DJ WL on BF's middle plats)
The extra air time in PM is still slightly a mystery to me. It's pry a mix of two or more different mechanics different than Melee (which I got long posts on I could link). Another thing is if once I know what it is, to finalize my thoughts that it should remain like it is. For what I know so far, I would keep it like it is.
Also Chesstiger you crazy bro I might quote yours and other's posts here in a min
vid 2
continues were vid 1 left off, 3:01 onward to be cut out
vid 3 is just mango testing the stream but at 12:19 - 14:45 he gets a skipe call from D1 each i though was kinda cool, idk is you wanna do something with that but there it is.
It's only the first vids because i haven't gotten around to seeing the other ones, like I said, It'll take a while. I was also hoping to have this to you by Sunday but **** happens.
My writing is crap so I hope this all makes sense lol.
One of the easier challenges I have is Squirtle's SH Fair WL twice in a row. http://smashboards.com/threads/squirtle-squad-general-disc.331682/page-48#post-18149112
If you can accomplish that you'll be instantly better than "the most technical squirtle player", who thought this was impossible; showing that he lacks tech skill not only in early aerials (which Squirtle in pre-3.5 was super ripe with potential on more than most of the cast) but also demonstrates you're probably also unfamiliar at certain other frame strict options like on the ledge for instance ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl5Sfu-v1nU , Marth's ledge drop DJ Shield breaker regrab M2K does, Diddy's peanut gun regrab SeagullJoe does, Falco's low SHDL, Spacies/others ledge DJ WL on BF's middle plats)
The extra air time in PM is still slightly a mystery to me. It's pry a mix of two or more different mechanics different than Melee (which I got long posts on I could link). Another thing is if once I know what it is, to finalize my thoughts that it should remain like it is. For what I know so far, I would keep it like it is.
Also Chesstiger you crazy bro I might quote yours and other's posts here in a min
Edit: If that means what I think it does, Falco confirmed top tier for sure. GG ez.
Edit2: It doesn't. I wanted to believe. But battlefield plat wave land from ledge I gotta use.
One of the easier challenges I have is Squirtle's SH Fair WL twice in a row. http://smashboards.com/threads/squirtle-squad-general-disc.331682/page-48#post-18149112
If you can accomplish that you'll be instantly better than "the most technical squirtle player", who thought this was impossible; showing that he lacks tech skill not only in early aerials (which Squirtle in pre-3.5 was super ripe with potential on more than most of the cast) but also demonstrates you're probably also unfamiliar at certain other frame strict options
Sorry meant that it's another of the ledge options, many of those things are intrinsically hard in the basis that you "accomplished them" with anything less not completing the action (Marth's shield breaker ledge regrab either works or doesn't, though it's got like a couple frames of grace I think). But many things go unoptimized that you don't think can be that much more optimized, Mangos one of the few to be praised on how frame tight he's able to get his low lasers. In his terms "Crispy". Lots of people can do ledge SHDLs, but the frame perfect low ones require Popeyes (screw KFC) levels of crispyness.
Anyways one of the things people sometimes don't think about to explore their character is tight ledge options.
What aerials/specials can you do close to frame perfect that regrab the ledge (end in time)?
Marth's got Fair which is easy and useful, then the harder one Shield breaker (and of/c side-b)
Diddy's got like Uair and peanut gun
Samus has Uair, and super frame strict side-b (@Hylian ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyfEYKxcVFI
and so on
Sorry meant that it's another of the ledge options, many of those things are intrinsically hard in the basis that you "accomplished them" with anything less not completing the action (Marth's shield breaker ledge regrab either works or doesn't, though it's got like a couple frames of grace I think). But many things go unoptimized that you don't think can be that much more optimized, Mangos one of the few to be praised on how frame tight he's able to get his low lasers. In his terms "Crispy". Lots of people can do ledge SHDLs, but the frame perfect low ones require Popeyes (screw KFC) levels of crispyness.
Anyways one of the things people sometimes don't think about to explore their character is tight ledge options.
What aerials/specials can you do close to frame perfect that regrab the ledge (end in time)?
Marth's got Fair which is easy and useful, then the harder one Shield breaker (and of/c side-b)
Diddy's got like Uair and peanut gun
Samus has Uair, and super frame strict side-b (@Hylian )
and so on
The lack of character variety in Melee is by far my least favourite thing about it. More than half of the cast is unusable because they're so bad. I can see why the 8-11 ish viable characters with clearly defined matchups, counterpicks and metagame could really be appealing to Melee fans, but its just getting really stale to me. The top 5 has been the top 5 for four years now? It's just feeling...stale.
The lack of character variety in Melee is by far my least favourite thing about it. More than half of the cast is unusable because they're so bad. I can see why the 8-11 ish viable characters with clearly defined matchups, counterpicks and metagame could really be appealing to Melee fans, but its just getting really stale to me. The top 5 has been the top 5 for four years now? It's just feeling...stale.
Exactly and that's why Mango said it's only gonna last at most another 5 years I think. Which is when PM will be still untapped (unless they cookie cutter every character to death). You'll also be older by then, and more able to appreciate Light press air dodge's ergonomic values.
Mad light press airdodge sucks, no real feedback for when the airdodge is triggered. If you're worried about ergonomic at all just take out the spring and then it's less resistant and you'll get responsive airdodginf 100% of the time.
