Professor's Notes - A Guide to Being Super Effective With Pokémon Trainer

[Toby.]

Ice, that is very, very interesting.

I like it!

 

[CoonTail]

Yea toby youd be surprised how the knock back is honestly just enough at percentages past about 60 or 70 I believe to get this to happen but honestly this I wanna keep on the DL because its not much of a strat but something hidden like this is too good to let everyone know and ruin LOL.

-Mahgnittoc, the prob is man your assuming someone will slip up. As youll find as you post more in this thread people are only really interested at what can happen at the HIGHEST LEVEL OF PLAY. I only cap it to show how much is really based on that level. So like I said if you want to mix it in go ahead, but at the highest level of play something like that is near useless. So not trying to be mean just most people will dismiss it for that reason, just letting you know so you dont have to deal with unnecesary flame posts which unfortunately you will get from posting stuff like this.

 

[Kith]

Agreed. Now that we got that out of the way, we really should discuss bullet-seed to f-smash :-D

 

[T-block]

lol there's not much to discuss... it'll doesn't work very often >_>

bullet seed to shieldgrab works more...people seem to be unable to resist trying to hit ivysaur with their f-air after they get out of the stream

 

[CoonTail]

I use to love bulletseed to f-smash and its funny because I also use to love D-throw to Vine whip

Lol see where Im going here kith

 

[Kith]

For those who didn't catch the sarcasm, it's there. You just gotta look a little harder :-P

 

[CoonTail]

LOL kith your my best friend right now

 

[T-block]

oh lol. i'm tired okay?

i'm serious about bullet seed to shieldgrab though =x

 

[CoonTail]

Lol well f-air enough t-block I guess me and kith were just having a bit of sarcastic fun lol

 

[Kith]

Lmao sorry next time I'll include the </sarcasm> at the end of the post. But yeah of they're looking to punish, shield grabbing is what I do most...unless they're big. Then I shield...bullet seed lol

 

[Bestiarius]

That dsmash technique is supar shenanigans. It needs a name, like IceCoon's way to ice the Ice Climbers (III for short).

 

[Mahgnittoc]

Yea toby youd be surprised how the knock back is honestly just enough at percentages past about 60 or 70 I believe to get this to happen but honestly this I wanna keep on the DL because its not much of a strat but something hidden like this is too good to let everyone know and ruin LOL.

-Mahgnittoc, the prob is man your assuming someone will slip up. As youll find as you post more in this thread people are only really interested at what can happen at the HIGHEST LEVEL OF PLAY. I only cap it to show how much is really based on that level. So like I said if you want to mix it in go ahead, but at the highest level of play something like that is near useless. So not trying to be mean just most people will dismiss it for that reason, just letting you know so you dont have to deal with unnecesary flame posts which unfortunately you will get from posting stuff like this.

Like you said, you're not trying to be mean so we can drop it.

I second PT, so I don't really use him in tournaments unless i absolutely know its going to work so I'm just interested in everything known about him and stuff

 

[dre_89_]

The guide talks up Ivy abit and makes him seem decent, should we actually use him or just switch out every time?

 

[T-block]

That's a very general question =\

It's true he's the worst of the three, but it really depends on your opponent's character, the stage, what percents you're both at, your own skill level, etc. Part of the challenge to playing PT is considering all of these things and making the call.

 

[Bestiarius]

Ivy rarely is the best one for the job, but when he is, he can be devastatingly effective.

 

[Bomber7]

It's true. I never start with Ivy but I use him in my Squirtle-Ivy Battery which is pretty strong once I gain my momentum. I go berserk with Squirtle like I usually do then whip out Ivy with a whole different momentum but still having a good one to make the stock count and things roll. However I Typh is one of the only ones around here that starts with Ivysaur and I'm sure he has his on way of switching and fighting.

 

[Toby.]

Typh doesn't start with Ivysaur, he stopped doing that a long time ago. Plus he dropped pokemon trainer, so I suppose he doesn't start with any of them anymore :3

 

[typh]

do you know what's sad

i went into training mode to practice my chaingrabs

and instead of picking ice climbers i picked pokemon trainer just by habit and didn't even realize it

so the game started and an ivysaur came out

and i was like

oh. oh man.

 

[Steeler]

typh playing ic's?

imo you should play wario, at least on the side. he's really similar to squirtle, and we all love squirtle.

 

[typh]

i could never play wario he's too ugly

 

[Steeler]

fair enough

 

[Bestiarius]

Typh has gone over to the dark side and is maining a character that is designed to be the cheapest character in Brawl. Not the best, but the cheapest. I mean, come on, infinites on everybody?

 

[typh]

retribution feels good doesn't it

 

[Steeler]

i believe wario makes more sense. instead of being the character most susceptible to clock camping, you become the character that abuses clock camping the best.

 

[Zigsta]

Typh's main icon is ICs. This makes me sad.

 

[Bomber7]

just roll with it bro. if Typh man doesn't play PT no mo then let it be.

 

[dre_89_]

So should I actually bother train my Ivysaur? I know Toby doesn't use him, but do other good players use him or just switch him out, because I'm not the best PT out there but I'm relatively comfortable using Ivy and I wanted to incorporate him into my game, but I don't want to if it's going to be a hindrance and a waste of time.

 

[Magik0722]

Well you definately shouldnt just neglate ivysuar, you should open all your options

Besides ivy is a pretty one dimensional character and the easiest to learn imo

 

[dre_89_]

Ok yeah I undertsand that but in a tournament would a good player ever use him for an entire stock? Or would he just switch out? I'm sorry I'm being annoying now I just haven't got a definitive answer lol.

 

[Magik0722]

I hardly ever use him for the entire stock, but its important to know when it is safe to switch and how to build up damage with ivy so it will be safe to swtich

 

[Mahgnittoc]

Personally, I love Ivysaur and use him most of the time for the entire stock. I've played some pretty solid online people and can take out at least a stock with Ivysaur. I start with Ivy and have charizard to switch to so I can have more kill power. Then when he dies Squirt ***** and if he can't finish I then have Ivysaur to repeat the chain.

Find your best, but don't neglect the rest. If you're gonna play just 1 pokemon go play that horrible game B+

 

[Toby.]

Well actually I use Ivysaur as much as the matchup will allow. If its against marth I won't use ivysaur at all. If it's against DK I have more leeway. If its against someone like ness I'll use ivysaur for a whole stock. It really depends on the matchup

Although in most matchups it is largely beneficial to skip ivysaur in order to get back to squirtle for the last stock.

 

[T-block]

i try to maximize ivy's time when i'm against ganondorf >_>

 

[Mahgnittoc]

From what I've drawn for the conversation. Start with squirtle and then work with Ivysaur as much as th match up calls then get back to Squirt.

But I love Ivysaur too much to listen to logic.

 

[Zigsta]

i try to maximize ivy's time when i'm against ganondorf >_>

Luckily all three Pokemon do well against Ganon. At least they all do well enough to not warrant a quick switch.

 

[T-block]

i honestly do believe ivy does better than squirtle against ganon though =P not sure between ivy and zard yet, but at the moment i'm leaning towards ivy being the best in the matchup

 

[Zigsta]

Interesting. In my matches with PX's Ganondorf, I've always found Squirtle to be the best by far.

 

[Mahgnittoc]

I always did best with Squirt because I just duck the whole time.

 

[Magik0722]

i found charizard to most useful against PX
Squirtle dies at like 20%

 

[Steeler]

charizard gets kind of ***** if he gets a forward b on you

it's like snake but ganondorf has way inferior options