Pro falco technique?

[Roman.]

Was watching some vids on youtube and thought of a possible combo for falco, mainly against fox. I'm not very good with falco so I couldn't test it out myself and couldn't find anything about this on the search engine.

Shine-dair-shine-dair ect. but very quick. I don't know if you can jump out of the shine quick enough but basically as soon as the enemy is directed up, I'm wondering if you can dair them down right away. Obviously you have to l-cancel the dair. It would be techable but maybe fast enough for 2-3 shines+dairs if you surprise them. That's a good amount of damage. Respond if this would be possible.

 

[LemonKing]

Actually that happens quite a bit. Especially in Falco dittos you see that happen the most. You would just have to have very quick fingers in order to do it over and over again.

Usually against lighter characters I do Shine-Dair-Utilt-Utilt-SHFFLUair-Nair all the way to edge then finish with a Dair spike. The combo you mentioned I use on Falcon, Falco Dittos, and Fox.

 

[Red.]

thats a very common combo thats done with falco on characters like sheik or marth.

 

[Roman.]

I don't think we are picturing the same thing. I know the combo where they go into the air pretty high and you dair them into whatever (uptilt, shine, ect.). I'm saying they barely leave the ground and you short hope out of your shine straight into a dair. Kind of like if you shine straight into a dair.

So basically.... shine > shffled dair > shine > shffled dair ect.

 

[Cinder]

Show us the vids...that would help...we can't assume we're all talking about the same thing without visuals...

 

[Sinensis]

I don't think we are picturing the same thing. I know the combo where they go into the air pretty high and you dair them into whatever (uptilt, shine, ect.). I'm saying they barely leave the ground and you short hope out of your shine straight into a dair. Kind of like if you shine straight into a dair.

So basically.... shine > shffled dair > shine > shffled dair ect.

Most decent players should be able to tech out of that combo quickly. It might work if done at 0% to some characters, or if they miss a tech, but I don't think that is a practical combo to use. That IS however really good to use on the backside of an opponents shield, but with at least 2 JC shines > shffled dair....

There are better/more consistent combos that could be done to a character if the first shine hits them rather than following up with a dair.

 

[Roman.]

-.- just throwing it out there. There's something better that you can do rather than a reverse up+B for marth but it's done anyways. Mindgames son.

Btw Cinder, there is no vid. As I said it was just something that popped into my head.

 

[YimmyZ]

Wait..Pillar?? Or is this like the ghetto pillar? Cause Dudez, youse can't escapes de pillars.

 

[Sinensis]

Your right, it could be useful in certain situations. Mix things up a bit, take people by suprise, you never know what might happen. I wasn't trying to criticize you or anything... What character would you try to do this on? What percent? (it would have to be lower in most cases) I'll try it out tonight in a few matches against a samus and I'll let you know how it works out. In fact, sometimes what happens when a falco shines > shffled dair, is after the dair, the other character can time a grab before the falco can shine again. It just depends on both players skill/timing, and even the other character.....

Ok assuming the first shine hits the other character (fox) and then you follow up with a shffled dair, into shine, and repeat, this combo is used all the time. I see now on your first post you mention fox, and that the first shine does hit....So most likely you are referring to the most common "pro used" falco on fox combo in the game. Sorry for the confusion...hope this is what you are trying to paint a picture of.

 

[Dr Peepee]

I'm pretty sure what you are saying can't work, not entirely sure but if it did I probably would have seen it done. I just think that the initial shine would send them too far away, and even if your fingers were fast enough, you wouldn't be able to catch him. It is a good thought though.

 

[Roman.]

Dr Peepee is looking through my eyes. You are picturing the same thing as me.

Sinensis, I know what you are talking about and as I said, it's a new technique that is much different than the typical combo 95% of smashers can do.

Anyways, De Peepee as you said it does seem impossible that your fingers wouldn't be fast enough but that's why i couldn't test it myself. Was hoping maybe a pro could test it out o.O

Anyways for anyone who still can't picture it - If you know what a fox infinite looks like (dair > JC shine > dair ect.) it's kind of like that. Of course the shine actually brings your up and if you JC it fast enough and shffl a dair hopefully they come back down. As I said it can be teched but it is a very fast combo so they might miss 1 or 2.

 

[captainlukey]

i thought this was common... in fact i do this most of the time actually....
maybe im missing something...
yep i miss read it...
sounds imposible...
maybe not with AR... anyone who can check?

 

[AXE 09]

i think i know what you're trying to say, and yes, i'm pretty sure it's possible, but your opponent would have to crouch cancel the shine. look at 1:53 of this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWeFdO0KdqY

 

[Fade016]

I do this all the time. While they are in the Air you shine DJ shine cancel and Dair or Bair while the Shine makes them go up and you instanlly Jump out and are above them while they are come up towards you.(this is not pillairing). or on the ground shine and Dair while they are going up and you can do it over and over its pillaring

Not the Greatest explantion.lol

 

[greenblob]

This is probably the most common Falco combo out there.

 

[terr13]

I think he's talking about hitting the Dair before the actually fly away, as in quickly cancelling your shine into a Dair. I don't think its quite possible, but i think you might be able to do SH Uair out of shine on some characters. AR would definitely help.

If you have AR, i was also wondering if it was possible to LHDL, edge cancel and then do it again, or slide off and then double jump back with two lasers and repeating.

 

[House M.D.]

ok, i'm pretty sure that you're talking about just shffling dairs and mixing in shines and yes, it works on fox or falco for a while (maybe to about 50%?), although you have to wavedash out of the shine if they DI really well.

or is this a joke thread that no one got, cause this is a very basic falco combo. it's not too prevalent because it's better to mix up the shine combos with up airs and up tilts and whatever else you can think of, but any decent falco player can do this is the situation calls for it.

 

[hova]

y don't you guys try to understand what the kid is saying before commenting

he's not talking about the regular shine combos you do on fox and see in vids

he basically asking if it is possible to put that combo into overdrive; like JCing the shine and hitting them with dair before they actually are sent any distance from the shine

picture a falco standing in place and just pillaring as fast as you can; now imagine that a fox is actually trapped inside that pillar and is just getting repeatedly shined and daired at rapid speed

no WD out of shine, no following the fox's DI, just standing in one spot and nailing the fox with a barrage of SH dairs and shines

 

[House M.D.]

right, see, like, at first i thought he meant that but that wouldn't make sense. you can't cancel the dair right after you jump out of a shine. certainly you can shine then JC it into a dair (and plenty of falco players do that), but if you want to continue it, then maybe in some situations you could combo them up with shine, uair, shine, uair, shine, but again if they can DI at all then you won't get past the first two steps of this.

 

[TheKneeOfJustice]

The opponent would have to be heavy and/or crouch canceling.

As far as the repeating LHDL's go, I think it is possible, but you would have to have incredibly precise DI. Send a PM to Phanna or someone and see if they would be so kind to give it an attempt.

 

[technomancer]

They'd be able to shine out of this combe pretty easily if it's the way that Hova said, because you'd have to SHFFL the d-air and wouldn't be able to do it late, which is like 30 frames or so for them to recover, should be more than enough. Also I think Falco's jump animation would slow you down alot and give you trouble. It'd be neat, but has no value over a well-developed shinecombo.

 

[AXE 09]

guys, if you look at 1:53 of this vid, i'm almost positive that is what he's talking about. just take a look and you'll see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWeFdO0KdqY

 

[terr13]

I think he was crouch-cancelling it.

 

[dj asakura]

ok, to put this in everyone's mind. he's talking about pillaring the opponent like fox would. as in, rapid succession shine -> SHFFL'd dair -> repeat.

just think of how fox does a shine -> SHFFL'd dair -> repeat to people in corners, only with falco

edit: and i remember seeing Viperboy doing it in a combo video a long time ago...i think

 

[jwkirby64]

The opponents were most likely CCing it...

edit: meh, looks like several already pointed that out.