Pretty in pink or true in blue, Krystal for Sm4sh!

[Captain Hazama]

Hopefully we'll see something great next year for smash. Once Mewtwo does a good job promoting for the possible future of DLC, will see some interesting characters, stages, and possibly music.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Well that's the power of Nintendo there and especially around Sakurai. You can't believe everything he has to say because he'll do everything to be so cryptic that the only way to find out is to play the game after all. But yes, as a troll, he's quite a professional at it and at the same time immature to the crowd so I'm not not surprised. Besides, regarding about IantheGamer's question there about of what if Wolf and Krystal were planned to be DLC this whole time, that's very possible. Because as I said before, he's pretty much aware(like Miyamoto and Nintendo are aware of the that there is a huge fanbase for these 2 characters(and also being popular to the community) and the roles they play in the SF series along with Fox and his team. In a way, they are like the Bowser/Peach or Ganondorf/Zelda of the SF universe of Wolf(villain/rival) and Krystal(love interest and a vital character to the story and to the SF team). Not to mention that Sakurai is somehow aware of the existence of Starfox Wii U that Miyamoto is working out on for next year which will in a way help promote the new game if Wolf and Krystal were included as DLC characters(which their chances of them coming back in SF Wii U are very good).

There's trolling, and then there's being a flat out mean *******. 3 Star Wolf themes, and Wolf currently isn't playable. Yeah I think it would be best for Sakurai to do some more DLC, Wolf at the least. The one thing that could help Krystal is that she isn't present in Lylat Cruise final destination mode.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

There's trolling, and then there's being a flat out mean *******. 3 Star Wolf themes, and Wolf currently isn't playable. Yeah I think it would be best for Sakurai to do some more DLC, Wolf at the least. The one thing that could help Krystal is that she isn't present in Lylat Cruise final destination mode.

How exactly does codec absence from omega Lylat Cruise bash hopes for Krystal DLC? 0_0

I'm sorry, that just sounded ridiculous.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

How exactly does codec absence from omega Lylat Cruise bash hopes for Krystal DLC? 0_0

I'm sorry, that just sounded ridiculous.

In omega Lylat Cruise 2 Wolfens, 1 Arwing and the Great Fox are in the backround. That accounts for Peppy, Slippy, Leon, and Panther. Fox and Falco are fighting. So where are Wolf and Krystal?

 

[Delzethin]

In omega Lylat Cruise 2 Wolfens, 1 Arwing and the Great Fox are in the backround. That accounts for Peppy, Slippy, Leon, and Panther. Fox and Falco are fighting. So where are Wolf and Krystal?

Didn't we go over this already? I thought the consensus was it was strange, but we can't draw any conclusions from it.

 

[Krayon Kaphonie]

Has someone already pointed out that Wolf's character model is the assault one in the codecs on the Lylat Crusie stage and not the brawl character model? O.o When I 1st discovered this I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me xD

 

[JaidynReiman]

Has someone already pointed out that Wolf's character model is the assault one in the codecs on the Lylat Crusie stage and not the brawl character model? O.o When I 1st discovered this I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me xD

Pretty sure it was pointed out. Which basically means that if Wolf was planned for this game at one point, he clearly was cut early enough to replace that model out.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Pretty sure it was pointed out. Which basically means that if Wolf was planned for this game at one point, he clearly was cut early enough to replace that model out.

How long does it take to make a codec model. The trophy was obviously in the game already, so what happened to Wolf? He needs to come back as DLC though, just look at how many people are wanting and predicting him,plus I don't want Wolf to be what Mewtwo was in brawl.

 

[Delzethin]

Pretty sure it was pointed out. Which basically means that if Wolf was planned for this game at one point, he clearly was cut early enough to replace that model out.

That could be interesting. If they weren't planning on including Wolf in the first place, he wouldn't necessarily have a head start on Krystal if it came down to one or the other. And considering uniqueness and moveset potential have been important factors for newcomers this time around, and we even have one character who was picked over another from the same game specifically because of higher moveset potential...this could get interesting.

Chrom wasn't a veteran, though, so it remains to be seen how that'd factor in.

 

[IsmaR]

In omega Lylat Cruise 2 Wolfens, 1 Arwing and the Great Fox are in the backround. That accounts for Peppy, Slippy, Leon, and Panther. Fox and Falco are fighting. So where are Wolf and Krystal?

You do realize Peppy's not being in an Arwing anymore only applies to Assault, right? He "returned" to piloting in Command.

Either way, trying to apply canon/logic to Smash never works out. It's implied Fox/Falco are in the Arwing when either is not fighting in the match.

 

[TheRandomCities4]

That could be interesting. If they weren't planning on including Wolf in the first place, he wouldn't necessarily have a head start on Krystal if it came down to one or the other. And considering uniqueness and moveset potential have been important factors for newcomers this time around, and we even have one character who was picked over another from the same game specifically because of higher moveset potential...this could get interesting.

Chrom wasn't a veteran, though, so it remains to be seen how that'd factor in.

I'm genuinely curious at how Sakurai may view Krystal regarding Smash Brothers moveset potential. That is, if he even considers her at all of course. Who knows?

 

[Wolfheart07]

That could be interesting. If they weren't planning on including Wolf in the first place, he wouldn't necessarily have a head start on Krystal if it came down to one or the other. And considering uniqueness and moveset potential have been important factors for newcomers this time around, and we even have one character who was picked over another from the same game specifically because of higher moveset potential...this could get interesting.

Chrom wasn't a veteran, though, so it remains to be seen how that'd factor in.

Which is why Krystal would be the next good candidate of not just being a newcomer, but to bring something fresh to the Smash series like what they did with Little Mac for instance with a unique moveset and with her staff, anything's possible. As for Wolf for the moment, he is basically for now the Mewtwo of Smash 4(which Mewtwo was cut from Brawl and now he is coming back as DLC for Smash 4 and it could apply to Wolf as well for a returning veteran for DLC).

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I have an honest question. When exactly is everyone expecting the first footage of Star Fox Wii U?

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

I have an honest question. When exactly is everyone expecting the first footage of Star Fox Wii U?

Sometime soon.

 

[Delzethin]

Probably in a Direct next February or March, most likely.

 

[Xevious 1]

How would you guys feel if Krystal wasn't in the new Star Fox game?

 

[IsmaR]

Pretty much the exact same way I felt towards her portrayal in Command.

 

[Desert Croc]

How would you guys feel if Krystal wasn't in the new Star Fox game?

Like the developers were too lazy to work further on her character so they just scrapped her because they could.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

How would you guys feel if Krystal wasn't in the new Star Fox game?

Krystal missing the new StarFox game? That's the same chance as a second Sonic representative. 0%

 

[Enrel]

How would you guys feel if Krystal wasn't in the new Star Fox game?

She was such a non-character to begin with. All she played was Fox's love interest and that's about it. Let's be honest though there isn't much characterization from most of the members of Star Fox at least they were more than one dimensional.

 

[Captain Hazama]

If Krystal wasn't in the new Star Fox game, then I'm claiming her becoming Kursed canon, and pray that someone can make an awesome game about her as Kursed.

 

[TheAnvil]

I'd love Krystal to be in and everything, but I have a very strong feeling that she won't be in the team in the next game.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I'm sorry, but I don't see how Krystal missing out on the new Star Fox is even possible

 

[Aurora Sparkle]

She was such a non-character to begin with. All she played was Fox's love interest and that's about it. Let's be honest though there isn't much characterization from most of the members of Star Fox at least they were more than one dimensional.

That isn't even Krystal's fault though. If it wasn't for Nintendo/Miyamoto completely ripping her out of her original role in Dinosaur Planet, and shoving her into the Damsel Trope for Starfox Adventures, she could have ended up being a really cool, interesting and perhaps even a beloved character in the series.

Nintendo stunted her growth as a character before she even got a chance. Hopefully though when Starfox U comes around, if she's in it at all- they'll finally give her some time to shine as a proper character with more depth to her than just "Fox's love interest."

 

[JaidynReiman]

That isn't even Krystal's fault though. If it wasn't for Nintendo/Miyamoto completely ripping her out of her original role in Dinosaur Planet, and shoving her into the Damsel Trope for Starfox Adventures, she could have ended up being a really cool, interesting and perhaps even a beloved character in the series.

Nintendo stunted her growth as a character before she even got a chance. Hopefully though when Starfox U comes around, if she's in it at all- they'll finally give her some time to shine as a proper character with more depth to her than just "Fox's love interest."

You do have to keep in mind that if Nintendo hadn't done that, she wouldn't BE part of the Star Fox series, in fact, she'd probably remain with Rare as well.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

I have an honest question. When exactly is everyone expecting the first footage of Star Fox Wii U?

E3 most likely

Pretty sure it was pointed out. Which basically means that if Wolf was planned for this game at one point, he clearly was cut early enough to replace that model out.

Although the model is rather fugly, possibly hinting at a late cut

 

[Aurora Sparkle]

You do have to keep in mind that if Nintendo hadn't done that, she wouldn't BE part of the Star Fox series, in fact, she'd probably remain with Rare as well.

Actually, it was discovered that at some point during development- Krystal was originally planned to be released from her prison sooner - and would have teamed up with Fox for the final section in Krazoa palace. (Only Krystals voice clips ended up being recorded for this though.) http://www.unseen64.net/2009/07/17/starfox-adventures-gamecube-beta/
So even after the game changed from Dinosaur Planet to Starfox adventures, she apparently still had a bit of a moment to shine outside of waiting to be rescued, but sadly even that was dropped from the final version.

Honestly after the way Nintendo has handled Krystal, would it really be that bad if she was with Rare instead of them? We know that she would have been her own fully fleshed out character with a strong role and back story, as opposed to the severely disrespected and underutilized "Love interest" she's been relegated to.
All the more if she really IS dropped from the canon when Starfox U comes along. She was completely ripped out of her own world and development by Miyamoto, and now her fate whether she continues to exist at all in the Starfox universe will be left up to him too.
Such a waste of Potential.

 

[Xevious 1]

I'm sorry, but I don't see how Krystal missing out on the new Star Fox is even possible

Miyamoto might drop her in favor of just having the original team of Fox, Falco, Slippy, and Peppy.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Miyamoto might drop her in favor of just having the original team of Fox, Falco, Slippy, and Peppy.

I highly doubt that will ever happen. Krystal replaced Peppy in Assault from what I know.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

E3 most likely


Although the model is rather fugly, possibly hinting at a late cut

Actually Star Fox U is coming out before Zelda U, so sooner probably, like maybe next Nintendo direct if we're lucky.
Yeah the Wolf model could signify a late cut... which means, that Wolf is likely for DLC, since he could be finished while working on Mewtwo. As for Star Fox U, I think Fox, Falco, Peppy, Slippy, and Wolf are confirmed to be in it thus far. There was a mode at E3 where you had to track down Wolf and fight him.

 

[Delzethin]

If she was retconned out, it'd be disappointing for sure. I dunno what they'd have to gain from going back instead of moving forward, aside from playing toward the vocal minority who act like the first two games are the only ones that should exist.

As for Star Fox U, I think Fox, Falco, Peppy, Slippy, and Wolf are confirmed to be in it thus far. There was a mode at E3 where you had to track down Wolf and fight him.

That section was lifted straight from Star Fox 64 3D, from what I've heard. It was there just to test out the engine.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

If she was retconned out, it'd be disappointment for sure. I dunno what they'd have to gain from going back instead of moving forward, aside from playing toward the vocal minority who act like the first two games are the only ones that should exist.


That section was lifted straight from Star Fox 64 3D, from what I've heard. It was there just to test out the engine.

I think miyamoto confirmed wolf is in the game in an interview

 

[Enrel]

That isn't even Krystal's fault though. If it wasn't for Nintendo/Miyamoto completely ripping her out of her original role in Dinosaur Planet, and shoving her into the Damsel Trope for Starfox Adventures, she could have ended up being a really cool, interesting and perhaps even a beloved character in the series.

Nintendo stunted her growth as a character before she even got a chance. Hopefully though when Starfox U comes around, if she's in it at all- they'll finally give her some time to shine as a proper character with more depth to her than just "Fox's love interest."

Actually! She still wasn't that big of a character and not much really changed from Dinosaur Planet and SFA (If I can post a link I'll show you. I'll link it to you in skype anyway) - It's actually really fun looking at the comparisons between the two games.

I agree though if she is in the game she should be properly fleshed out cause it's just such a non-character that Rob 64 would make just an equal character.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

If she was retconned out, it'd be disappointing for sure. I dunno what they'd have to gain from going back instead of moving forward, aside from playing toward the vocal minority who act like the first two games are the only ones that should exist.


That section was lifted straight from Star Fox 64 3D, from what I've heard. It was there just to test out the engine.

??????? Were you one of the guys they let in to play the game? If not don't jump to conclusions.

I think miyamoto confirmed wolf is in the game in an interview

Link please.

 

[Enrel]

If she was retconned out, it'd be disappointing for sure. I dunno what they'd have to gain from going back instead of moving forward, aside from playing toward the vocal minority who act like the first two games are the only ones that should exist.

Vocal Minority? I kind of doubt that to be honest. Thought it was all agreed that SF64 was the best. SFA was bad and Assault was eh...

Seriously if you can go back and play through SF64 and tell me there's a bad level in that game. Aquas isn't bad as it is different (Opinion I know but I can have those ) Anyway the point is that the game really did peak at 64 and was on a steady decline down since then.

 

[TheRandomCities4]

I think one of the major problems is that Miyamoto really had no idea what to do with Star Fox after Star Fox 64, so he started relying on taking on other companies (be it their IP's, like Dinosaur Planet, or just giving their interpretation of the game like Namco on Assault) to make Star Fox games. I mean seriously, it appears he wanted to turn Dinosaur Planet into a Star Fox game just because the main character looked like Fox. That's pretty shallow reasoning, in my opinion.

Ah well. I don't have faith in Star Fox Wii U anyways. In order for my faith in Star Fox to be restored, they'll have to prove me wrong. I'm actually confident it's not going to be all that great. The developers are probably focusing far too much on the extraneous controls, so what is actually in the game will be limited. For instance, the characters will easily remain undeveloped (much to the distress of those who would like to see certain characters, i.e. Krystal, to be fleshed out). In the end, it's all up to the developers. We really have no say in the matter, especially after the fact.

The new Zelda game for the Wii U looks to be turning out quite nicely, on the other hand.

As for Krystal as DLC in Smash, I'm beginning to doubt it heavily. Tell me, what reasons would Nintendo even have to add Krystal in Smash? There's really no point. It's not like it's going to impact the marketing of Smash or Star Fox for that matter. There are people who would clamor for the games, with or without Krystal. By the end of the year, I wouldn't be surprised if I became a Krystal detractor. Ah, we'll see...

Interestingly enough, I've already moved on from Smash Wii U. It's just not very interesting. There's nothing for me beyond the face-value entertainment it holds when you play with other people. It's hard to explain, but I haven't touched it for the whole week (nor have I had the urge to even play it).

 

[Delzethin]

As for Krystal as DLC in Smash, I'm beginning to doubt it heavily. Tell me, what reasons would Nintendo even have to add Krystal in Smash? There's really no point. It's not like it's going to impact the marketing of Smash or Star Fox for that matter. There are people who would clamor for the games, with or without Krystal. By the end of the year, I wouldn't be surprised if I became a Krystal detractor. Ah, we'll see...

But who says DLC characters have to be chosen for marketing reasons? The big trend for newcomers this time around has been characters with recent relevance that have the potential for an interesting moveset and a playstyle that hasn't been in Smash so far. We've seen repeatedly that characters with those traits become popular due to looking so awesome to play. Even oddball picks like the Wii Fit Trainer or Duck Hunt have a following now because they feel so inspired and fun.

Krystal already has high moveset potential and already has the ability to be another spellcaster (which Smash only has 2-4 of, depending on if you count Ness or Palutena), the ability to be Smash's first agile spellcaster, or even a mix of magic and high tech weaponry that no other character can bring to the roster. That's the kind of character that fans would flock to if she was implemented well.

 

[TheRandomCities4]

But who says DLC characters have to be chosen for marketing reasons? The big trend for newcomers this time around has been characters with recent relevance that have the potential for an interesting moveset and a playstyle that hasn't been in Smash so far. We've seen repeatedly that characters with those traits become popular due to looking so awesome to play. Even oddball picks like the Wii Fit Trainer or Duck Hunt have a following now because they feel so inspired and fun.

Krystal already has high moveset potential and already has the ability to be another spellcaster (which Smash only has 2-4 of, depending on if you count Ness or Palutena), the ability to be Smash's first agile spellcaster, or even a mix of magic and high tech weaponry that no other character can bring to the roster. That's the kind of character that fans would flock to if she was implemented well.

We'll see if they give Krystal a chance to be awesome somewhere. If not Star Fox, she could be awesome in Smash.

Eh, probably not for Nintendo though. The problem is that I just don't think Krystal's inclusion is necessary for Nintendo. They either had other priorities, or Krystal just isn't very necessary at all for them. We don't know, though. They'll probably never tell us why, either.

You're right about character inclusions in Smash boosting the interest in that particular character, though. That's why I'd like Krystal to be in Smash. People would see that she could be something more than just a "non-character". They'd also see that Miyamoto sucks at giving her "character", because Sakurai and his team would probably give something for Krystal that she's never been allowed to have in Star Fox: a freaking chance, for once.

 

[Enrel]

But who says DLC characters have to be chosen for marketing reasons? The big trend for newcomers this time around has been characters with recent relevance that have the potential for an interesting moveset and a playstyle that hasn't been in Smash so far. We've seen repeatedly that characters with those traits become popular due to looking so awesome to play. Even oddball picks like the Wii Fit Trainer or Duck Hunt have a following now because they feel so inspired and fun.

Krystal already has high moveset potential and already has the ability to be another spellcaster (which Smash only has 2-4 of, depending on if you count Ness or Palutena), the ability to be Smash's first agile spellcaster, or even a mix of magic and high tech weaponry that no other character can bring to the roster. That's the kind of character that fans would flock to if she was implemented well.

Well let's face it Smash is in itself marketing, but yeah I get you there.

I would hope she'd be staff wielding and not using blasters or whatever like that. Agile spellcaster does sound pretty much right up her ally though. If SFA was any indication of spells, then you had a fairly interesting array of moves.

 

[IanTheGamer]

About the No DLC planned, I think Sakurai is so full of you-know-what, it's not even funny, I don't believe anything he says until I see it, the guy has no qualms about openly lying to the fanbase (ZSS and Clones), and constantly contradicts himself, not to mention his hubris and arrogance is infuriating, I can understand him not listening to the outrageous and unreasonable requests (Goku, Master Chief, Kratos, Shrek, Wreck It Ralph, Mickey Mouse, Sora, and Waluigi, ), but come on what about the fan requested characters that are perfectly reasonable (Krystal, King K Rool, Impa, Issac, etc.)