Potential Roster/Stage Leak Thread

[GamerGuy09]

Most of you were probably here for that CSS leak that happened before E3, right? I don't have the pictures, but it was convincing enough to warrant a 4 days or so debate on whether it was real or not.

In actuality the guy who debunked it via fonts was @HextupleyooDOT, who you can tell from his avatar made the Klonoa art.

I contacted him via Deviantart and he says that he didn't make any of the renders in this leak.

 

[BombKirby]

[Sigh]
This is going nowhere at all. This is getting rather boring now.

There's not much to say. Gotta wait for a new leak or new character/vet reveal. Those will squash or prove it once and for all.

This is unrelated, but I thought this was funny. Most of you were probably here for that CSS leak that happened before E3, right? I don't have the pictures, but it was convincing enough to warrant a 4 days or so debate on whether it was real or not.

In actuality the guy who debunked it via fonts was @HextupleyooDOT, who you can tell from his avatar made the Klonoa art.

I contacted him via Deviantart and he says that he didn't make any of the renders in this leak.

Don't mean to sound like a know it all but the Klonoa thing was a digital painting/drawing in photoshop. A render = 3D art. After you finish creating a 3d figure you pose it in a simplistic preview version of the scene, set up some lights, press a "render" button and then wait a few hours for it to spit out a huge HD version of 3D scene/models/etc. For those who quite get it it's basically this before and after: http://i.imgur.com/iQQsT71.png The one on the right is rendered out, but I cut it short because I didn't have time to let it fully render out so its a bit blurry but you get the idea.

People have specifically been calling the character art in this leak "renders" to really push how difficult this would be to make compared to a speed painting in photoshop. But the Klonoa thing shows that it could be a painting or renders. Either or.

 

[Das Koopa]

A lot of people have very little understanding of the game development process so that guy missing one character is not a big deal to those who do understand it. Tons of things change from pre-development into actual development. That very precise list was way too accurate to ignore... http://i.imgur.com/NrCYfRs.png

It was confirmed they wanted a 6th Gen Pokemon before they even finished concepting all of the 6th Gen Pokemon. It was decided to be Greninja since one of the only concept sketches during pre-X/Y was Greninja. That right there tells us that it was a leak from the early stages of development and "Chrom" was probably in the same vein as "Pokemon from X/Y" and was probably just a placeholder until Sakurai finished playing Awakening and realized Robin would be more fitting. Chrom is just a synonym for "FE:A Protagonist" but once you actually play it you realize there are two/three main characters to choose from like FE7's Lyn, Hector, Eliwood.

The "leaker" who visited here was always very sketchy to me though. That's when it started to sound flawed and fake with the whole "Shulk tomorrow!!!" BS. Anyone can fake an account here. I have the same thoughts about the "anons" who claimed to be the leakers for this leak. They could easily just be piggybacking on the leak to screw with us with vague comments.

My point is that the lack of specificness on Greninja is evidence towards Gematsu's legitimacy, mainly because of what Sakurai said about Greninja at E3. There's no reason to be vague if you've already thrown Chorus Men in, so the only good reason to not just say which Pokemon character is because he didn't know.

 

[Arcadenik]

8) This is mostly speculative on my part, but I've been unduly hyped for Smash games since 1999 and thus combed for every shred of data. Just from my sheer volume of reading over the years: the Duck Hunt Dog has come up an absurd amount of times and fits all of Sakurai's criteria for uniqueness, as well as the tradition of throwing in an off the wall retro favorite.

Duck Hunt Dog is for sure on my new main rotation.

That's true People were always asking for Duck Hunt Dog for many years. I've been supporting DHD since 2002 (I didn't support anyone for SSB2 since I didn't know Melee was announced till after it was already out - this was before the Internet became part of my daily life) and DHD along with Little Mac and Pit were among the first characters I supported online since the Nsider days.

Pit is already one of my mains... and Little Mac is definitely going to be one of my mains... I just love his playstyle... and if this leak is real, Duck Hunt Dog will be my #1 main for sure!

 

[Deleted member]

Been gone for 4 hours and 4 more pages get added, what's up?

 

[Shariq]

Been gone for 4 hours and 4 more pages get added, what's up?

Nothing, literally nothing. We have nothing to refer to as the leaks themselves have been analyzed into oblivion. All we can do is wait for either more leaks or official updates.

 

[TheBoozehammer]

Been gone for 4 hours and 4 more pages get added, what's up?

Nothing new that I can think of.

 

[Amherst]

Nah the most reasonable answer is people are blinded my their want for it to be legit.

Bit late, but I really hate these types of comments. They're so cyclical and pointless. I can just as easily say the most reasonable answer as to why people are denying it in the face of all this evidence presented is because they don't want it to be real. Goes both ways.

 

[Deleted member]

Nothing, literally nothing. We have nothing to refer to as the leaks themselves have been analyzed into oblivion. All we can do is wait for either more leaks or official updates.

Alright

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

I find it weird that the Yellow Devil seems to be the only boss on the 3DS.

 

[Dark Dude]

Side-bar: Can we agree that it's ridiculous to stake any argument on claims preceded by "Sakurai wouldn't do X/Sakurai would have done X"? 'ROB is in SSE, he wouldn't be in the game!', 'The side characters on the Melee CSS are slightly off, Sakurai would never have such a sloppy screen!', 'Obviously Toon Link is cut because he wouldn't put him in the game AND on Spirit Tracks'... etc. You can't predict the man and the list of those who think they can (myself included) could extend to the moon.

I'm not talking about a character addition here. Look at this:

Compared to:

And I'm not talking about having some of the character slots being slightly lower like in Melee's css when it comes to the thumbnails being centered. There is no design here at all whatsoever. It's just a bunch of thumbnails lined up next to each other. And on one screen they're centered and on the other they're not. Not only is it incredibly lazy, but it's not even consistent. If you really believe that after everything that Sakurai has done in past games and then decided that this was a good choice, then you are beyond reasoning with.

2/10. Wouldn't read again.

Fine by me. I never asked you to read it once. And if we're rating each other's posts here, I'd give yours a zero since your post added nothing to the thread.

That bit of blue everybody thinks is the Duck's neck is clearly his wing.

Funny how you assume I don't know what I'm talking about and then you don't know what I'm talking about. This should be added into the second post, but, anyway the white part to left of his head is the start of his neck. The bottom of his head is on the right of his head. His neck would have to be this long:

That's just flat out wrong. Some people call it a design choice, but that duck is designed after this duck:

The white part is nothing more than a stripe. Not a long, gangly neck.

 

[MagnesD3]

I find it weird that the Yellow Devil seems to be the only boss on the 3DS.

It would be interesting if he were the only stage boss in the whole game wii u and 3ds.

 

[Evello]

Funny how its more like everyone hates this leak and doesn't want it to be real because it doesn't have their favorite char in it such as King K Rool or Ridley or whatever

Not at all the case. I seriously LOVE this leaked roster. Shulk is my most wanted newcomer, and I think Duck Hunt would be hysterical. I don't care at all about K Rool, Mewtwo, or Ridley, and I also don't mind the clones or the abundance of Mario characters. I've been convinced for a while that we're getting 47-50 characters with only one or two more newcomers, so 51 with four more newcomers would make me ecstatic.

That said, I still don't believe the leak. Admittedly, there's no good explanation of the Tomadachi room without some kind of Famitsu leak conspiracy, but at the same time that conspiracy is nowhere near as complicated as the multi-man conspiracy of deceptive character naming, pic sharing, and preemptive editing that has become this leak. When an entire leak relies upon one piece of evidence, that evidence needs to be rock-solid, and I don't feel that the Tomadachi room is quite definitive enough to carry this entire leak on its own. Most of the rest of the leak looks good, but not so much that it couldn't be faked. Also, there have been several blatant issues with the leak that have been essentially written off, one of which just because the leaker himself gave an unverifiable justification (as I've said before, no offense to the leakers, just due suspicion). But the next character reveal should clinch it, either way. Until then, I'm not ruling the leak out, but it's fake until proven real beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm keeping expectations low. I don't want to get hyped for this and have the actual roster disappoint me.

 

[Amherst]

That's just flat out wrong. Some people call it a design choice, but that duck is designed after this duck:

It's been roughly thirty years since Duck Hunt came out. I don't know why you view it as impossible that the duck got a slight change in appearance between the piece of art we're looking at now and an NES sprite.

So yeah, design choice. Possible goof if it's fake, but I don't think it's anywhere as big a point as people are making it out to be.

Edit: Alternatively, it could even be real and somebody just messed up on the perspective. I'd like to hold Namco-Bandai/Sakurai to a higher standard than that, but stuff like this does happen every now and again in the industry.

 

[Fenriraga]

I find it weird that the Yellow Devil seems to be the only boss on the 3DS.

Don't forget that Smash Run is apparently suppose to have some boas characters as well.

 

[Booigi1010]

I find it weird that the Yellow Devil seems to be the only boss on the 3DS.

There's also the Dark Emperor on the Find Mii stage.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I find it weird that the Yellow Devil seems to be the only boss on the 3DS.

Well, there's the Dark Emperor from the Find Mii stage too.

 

[GamerGuy09]

I really hope that this game as a "Hazards Off" button. However it is unlikely considering Sakurai's love for chaos.

 

[TheBoozehammer]

It's been roughly thirty years since Duck Hunt came out. I don't know why you view it as impossible that the duck got a slight change in appearance between the piece of art we're looking at now and an NES sprite.

So yeah, design choice. Possible goof if it's fake, but I don't think it's anywhere as big a point as people are making it out to be.

Edit: Alternatively, it could even be real and somebody just messed up on the perspective. I'd like to hold Namco-Bandai/Sakurai to a higher standard than that, but stuff like this does happen every now and again in the industry.

Also, the colors are completely different between the two ducks. The entire neck could just be white now, instead of just a stripe.

 

[Shariq]

Another thing that seems strange is the on the stage select screen, Battlefield seems really tilted compared to the other stages. Now I am not saying that this is any evidence against the leak, as I myself think the leak is legit.

EDIT: Also Final Destination also seems weirdly aligned.

 

[Dark Dude]

It's been roughly thirty years since Duck Hunt came out. I don't know why you view it as impossible that the duck got a slight change in appearance between the piece of art we're looking at now and an NES sprite.

So yeah, design choice. Possible goof if it's fake, but I don't think it's anywhere as big a point as people are making it out to be.

It's a duck. Let me show you. This is a duck:

Look at that. The white part is a stripe, just like in the NES game. So you're telling me, that the NES game Duck Hunt would depict a duck more realistically than a Wii U game? Sakurai made a design choice to make the duck look less realistic?

See this?

That's a goose. It's kinda like a duck, but with a longer neck. So, by making the neck longer, you would be making it resemble a goose more than a duck. Again, what kind of design choice is that? "Let's make that duck look more like a goose." That's stupid.

Also, the colors are completely different between the two ducks. The entire neck could just be white now, instead of just a stripe.

I guess you never played Duck Hunt? There were blue ducks with purple heads in the game.

 

[TheBoozehammer]

It's a duck. Let me show you. This is a duck:

Look at that. The white part is a stripe, just like in the NES game. So you're telling me, that the NES game Duck Hunt would depict a duck more realistically than a Wii U game? Sakurai made a design choice to make the duck look less realistic?

See this?

That's a goose. It's kinda like a duck, but with a longer neck. So, by making the neck longer, you would be making it resemble a goose more than a duck. Again, what kind of design choice is that? "Let's make that duck look more like a goose." That's stupid.

It's a cartoon duck, the proportions can look however they like.

 

[Amherst]

It's a duck. Let me show you. This is a duck:

Look at that. The white part is a stripe, just like in the NES game. So you're telling me, that the NES game Duck Hunt would depict a duck more realistically than a Wii U game? Sakurai made a design choice to make the duck look less realistic?

...you're acting snarky now because a cartoon style duck in a video game is now less realistic? Are you serious?

 

[Dark Dude]

It's a cartoon duck, the proportions can look however they like.

...you're acting snarky now because a cartoon style duck in a video game is now less realistic? Are you serious?

lol. And you believers say the non-believers are in denial.

 

[roosaurus]

I'm not talking about a character addition here. Look at this:

Compared to:

And I'm not talking about having some of the character slots being slightly lower like in Melee's css when it comes to the thumbnails being centered. There is no design here at all whatsoever. It's just a bunch of thumbnails lined up next to each other. And on one screen they're centered and on the other they're not. Not only is it incredibly lazy, but it's not even consistent. If you really believe that after everything that Sakurai has done in past games and then decided that this was a good choice, then you are beyond reasoning with.


Fine by me. I never asked you to read it once. And if we're rating each other's posts here, I'd give yours a zero since your post added nothing to the thread.


Funny how you assume I don't know what I'm talking about and then you don't know what I'm talking about. This should be added into the second post, but, anyway the white part to left of his head is the start of his neck. The bottom of his head is on the right of his head. His neck would have to be this long:

That's just flat out wrong. Some people call it a design choice, but that duck is designed after this duck:

The white part is nothing more than a stripe. Not a long, gangly neck.

I feel like I saw the duck thing somewhere before... Anyways the dog is different why wouldn't the duck be different?

Another thing that seems strange is the on the stage select screen, Battlefield seems really tilted compared to the other stages. Now I am not saying that this is any evidence against the leak, as I myself think the leak is legit.

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EDIT: Also Final Destination also seems weirdly aligned.

We've seen Battlefield's SSS before though as it was at E3

 

[Amherst]

lol. And you believers say the non-believers are in denial.

Denial isn't the word I'd use for that retort of yours, but whatever. I know when I'm debating with a brick wall, so I'll just leave you to it.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

There's also the Dark Emperor on the Find Mii stage.

Well, there's the Dark Emperor from the Find Mii stage too.

I doubt it's a boss, it buffs you after all.

 

[Dark Dude]

Denial isn't the word I'd use for that retort of yours, but whatever. I know when I'm debating with a brick wall, so I'll just leave you to it.

lol. I'm a brick wall? Then what are you? An open-minded person? lmao.

 

[Wyoming]

I've been viewing this thread for the first time since I've been away. Hmmm, nothing new added to the table. To be expected but I honestly cannot wait for the next reveal. The art work of said character would make or break this thing. It seems to be going in circles right now and that's not fun.

Should the worse case scenario happen, then good night sweet Wolf. May the developers make thee to thy free DLC (if we have DLC)

 

[roosaurus]

I thought mods said no flaming. So just stop arguing... Let's discuss more things

 

[UpsilonFox]

I doubt it's a boss, it buffs you after all.

Didn't the new scans show a player hitting it, and imply it buffs the one who defeats it?

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Didn't the new scans show a player hitting it, and imply it buffs the one who defeats it?

Oh really? Link to the translation?

 

[Opossum]

The size of a duck's neck can fluctuate. They don't have to stick to one size. In other words, not too big. It can be resized.



Never would I ever think a post like this would be made and yet still be on topic.

 

[Blazeth]

lol
You guys keep trying to disprove this leak with things that aren't even viable.
You aren't designing the game, so pointing out a design direction isn't a good argument.
Nothing shown so far is really a good reason to believe it's fake.
Nor believe it's real.

 

[JCAndre]

Can everyone stop arguing and agree the next stage/character announcement will be what ultimately decides this leak? There's no true definitive proof for either case.

I'm probably asking for too much, but the name calling and meanness of a lot of you is upsetting me

 

[Zacoftheaxes]

Gematsu's entire crutch was Wii Fit Trainer, though - I never bought it was just a good guess (With Greninja and details about his inclusion combined with the strange out-of-place lack of specifics on his character name in Gematsu I STILL don't really buy Gematsu was a fake, but time will tell on this...)

But this does seem to have a bit more to stand on. Every photoshop leak I can think of is generally exposed within an hour to a day of the initial postings or details are found that contradict it on some level. Things like Kirby's line thickness, for example, serve nothing to help the leak, yet it was there despite only being a buggy feature at the E3 demo. Tomodachi and Paper Mario's stages being at totally different angles with correlating features is also very suspect and seem a bit odd.

To explain why I think survival of scrutiny gives it credibility, it's exactly because it's been several days of ceaseless analysis to find inconsistent details in the pictures whereas Gematsu only survived a year because it went at Sakurai's pace for character reveals because it was text based. I'm not aware of Photo leaks sans Palutena's (which was far less elaborate and detailed-to-the-brim as this) lasting for extended periods of time.

There was a "leaked" roster screenshot that was considered pretty likely for a few weeks until Ike was confirmed. What happened is that people forgot it afterwards.

Granted, it was bigger on 4chan and Reddit and not here.

 

[Shariq]

Man, this leak has got to everyones head lol. We have resorted to discussing ducks...

 

[PlTe]

Man, this leak has got to everyone head lol. We have resorted to discussing ducks...

I just want my Ice Climbers, man.

 

[Amherst]

Looks like someone's degree in ornithology should be revoked.

Can everyone stop arguing and agree the next stage/character announcement will be what ultimately decides this leak? There's no true definitive proof for either case.

Debate and argument aren't the same thing. If anything I'm enjoying all the back and forth. Which brings me to the fact that, man, I am gonna be really bored that brief period between the Japanese and North American release. This has been great in helping to pass the time.

 

[Homsar3]

It's a duck. Let me show you. This is a duck:

Look at that. The white part is a stripe, just like in the NES game. So you're telling me, that the NES game Duck Hunt would depict a duck more realistically than a Wii U game? Sakurai made a design choice to make the duck look less realistic?

See this?

That's a goose. It's kinda like a duck, but with a longer neck. So, by making the neck longer, you would be making it resemble a goose more than a duck. Again, what kind of design choice is that? "Let's make that duck look more like a goose." That's stupid.

I guess you never played Duck Hunt? There were blue ducks with purple heads in the game.

First things first let me state right here: Smash Bros is never canonical to size... and the Duck Hunt series has been proven to follow an incredibly cartoon-y style, as proven by the Duck's necks extending after they have been shot for... what reason? Duck Hunt itself didn't keep the duck's Neck size equal, there is therefore no justification in calling out the development team, whether they be official, or really good fakers, on the proportions of a fictional duck's neck. Also, the duck's body is towards the camera in this pic, suggesting his neck may not be as long as it seems... also... have some freaking fun! This debate isn't really all about ending the leak now, it's more about riding it out to release, to help build the hype!