Possible discovery, test it my minions <3

[Koskinator]

I'm pretty sure if you flame choke someone at a ledge, so that they grab it, they have no invincibility frames. I tested it against computers, and I could flame choke into ledge spike everytime, as long as they stayed there. I know it isn't much, but if it works, that means a flame choke at a ledge could result in a spike if the person decides to just hang out.

 

[TP]

If this works, it means a choke from anywhere is a guaranteed kill with my chainchoking.

Yes.

Yes.

YES.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

If this works, it means a choke from anywhere is a guaranteed kill with my chainchoking.

Yes.

Yes.

YES.

It will work if the opponent decides not to move, as Koskinator mentioned.

 

[Koskinator]

Not guarenteed, only if the person stays on the ledge long enough for us not to spike him.

 

[Z1GMA]

It's getting hard to follow every single awesome discovery #_#

 

[AgentJGV]

It's getting hard to follow every single awesome discovery #_#

Ganon's like that.

But on topic. i think the reason for this is that when you flame choke them on the ledge they grab it and the invincibility frames run out by the time you can spike. Still interesting though.

 

[studly]

so this is a really awesome idea even if it doesnt work

 

[Super_Smasher6]

If you don't have enough time to spike, the Dash Attack or Down-Tilt should work no?
A Forward Smash should also work if you aim it down I have to try that

 

[hyperstation]

If you don't have enough time to spike, the Dash Attack or Down-Tilt should work no?
A Forward Smash should also work if you aim it down I have to try that

I haven't tested this thing yet, but I kinda just assumed you wouldn't often be given enough time to Stomp them. I was thinking something more like a run off BAir or UAir. BAir stage spikes kill ridiculously low because the move is often really fresh.

 

[:034:]

Hmmm...

This could very well be garantueed. Animations in Brawl are long and tedious, including the 'ledge' animation. It takes a long time for your opponent to get away from the ledge (ESPECIALLY compared to Melee, where it's lagless). I don't think the invincibility stays as long as it should (not the full duration of the 'ledge' animation)... In that case, with good timing, you should be able to knock them off it.

Frame data would be conclusive about this.

 

[studly]

i tried it .... maybe half a dozen times in a random match .... i dont think we can get the spike... but i agree with hyper that with good timing we may get a b-air or u-air...

just like koskinator said ...it always seemed like my partner had to let me get the spike.... since he knew what i was trying to do he reacted the exact way that would allow for it to work...but in a real match where the opponent knows about this...

but any discovery with Ganon is a good one

 

[Zerxion]

Just tested this on Donky Kong, which I know for a fact that Ganon can dtilt him while he's hanging. He still got invincibility frames when on the edge . Method: flame choked near the edge > dtilt right after. DK didn't get hit.

 

[Blad01]

Same for me; this doesn't work.

 

[Super_Smasher6]

I tested on Donkey Kong, Ike and Lucas:

- Down Tilt don't work
- Forward Smash don't work
- Dash Attack don't work
- Back Air don't work
- Up Air don't work
- The only attack who work is Down Air if they jump immediatly after grabbing the edge.

So you don't have enough time to do any attack if they don't stay on the edge because they are still invicible

 

[hyperstation]

could always roll or SH back and try to tipper your utilt. it's probably, at the least, fairly safe against most of the cast?