Porky Minch: The King of New Pork City

[Merengue]

I'm losing hope guys. Maybe Smashboards is right that we are overexaggerating Porky's importance. Porky's complete exclusion from the game makes sense and that he is in the capsule.
Mushroomguy12 showed me a list of first parties whose exclusions are more notable than Porky's exclusion.
Waluigi
Kamek
Poochy
Paper Mario
Toad
Toadette
Pauline
Birdo
King Boo
Dixie Kong
Funky Kong
Cranky Kong
Rhythm Heaven characters (Chorus Kids, Karate Joe, etc)
Isaac
Matthew
Metroid
Advance Wars characters (Andy, Sami, etc)
Slippy Toad
Peppy Hare
Krystal
Skull Kid
Impa
Midna
Ghirahim
Tetra
Ganon
Tingle
Bandanna Dee
Marx
Magalor
Adeleine and Ribbon
Dark Meta Knight
Susie
Ashley
Captain Syrup
Mona
Jimmy T
9-Volt
Kat and Ana
Elma
Rex
Octoling
DJ Octavio
Lyn
Tiki
Ephraim
Eirika
Hector
Anna
Claude
Dimitri
Edelgard
Euden
Viridi
Medusa
Hades
Balloon Fighter
Astral Chain Reps
Ring Fit Trainers
Tom Nook
KK Slider
Dillon
Excitebike
Ayumi Tachibana
Ray MK III
Glass Joe
Doc Louis
Spring Man
Ribbon Girl
Twintelle
Max Brass
Black Shadow
Samurai Goroh
Jody Summer
Dr. Stewart
Pico
Wonder Red
Louie
Brittany
Charlie
Starfy
Meowth
Eevee
Decidueye
Tons of Pokemon that I probably would break the page if I tried listing them all.
etc. etc. etc.

Also one guy compared Porky's exclusion in Ultimate to Diddy Kong's Exclusion as a trophy from Melee. And yes Porky(ASC) will never compare to Diddy Kong's absence as a trophy in Melee which was really sus.

 

[ROBnWatch]

I'm losing hope guys. Maybe Smashboards is right that we are overexaggerating Porky's importance. Porky's complete exclusion from the game makes sense and that he is in the capsule.
Mushroomguy12 showed me a list of first parties whose exclusions are more notable than Porky's exclusion.
Waluigi
Kamek
Poochy
Paper Mario
Toad
Toadette
Pauline
Birdo
King Boo
Dixie Kong
Funky Kong
Cranky Kong
Rhythm Heaven characters (Chorus Kids, Karate Joe, etc)
Isaac
Matthew
Metroid
Advance Wars characters (Andy, Sami, etc)
Slippy Toad
Peppy Hare
Krystal
Skull Kid
Impa
Midna
Ghirahim
Tetra
Ganon
Tingle
Bandanna Dee
Marx
Magalor
Adeleine and Ribbon
Dark Meta Knight
Susie
Ashley
Captain Syrup
Mona
Jimmy T
9-Volt
Kat and Ana
Elma
Rex
Octoling
DJ Octavio
Lyn
Tiki
Ephraim
Eirika
Hector
Anna
Claude
Dimitri
Edelgard
Euden
Viridi
Medusa
Hades
Balloon Fighter
Astral Chain Reps
Ring Fit Trainers
Tom Nook
KK Slider
Dillon
Excitebike
Ayumi Tachibana
Ray MK III
Glass Joe
Doc Louis
Spring Man
Ribbon Girl
Twintelle
Max Brass
Black Shadow
Samurai Goroh
Jody Summer
Dr. Stewart
Pico
Wonder Red
Louie
Brittany
Charlie
Starfy
Meowth
Eevee
Decidueye
Tons of Pokemon that I probably would break the page if I tried listing them all.
etc. etc. etc.

Also one guy compared Porky's exclusion in Ultimate to Diddy Kong's Exclusion as a trophy from Melee. And yes Porky(ASC) will never compare to Diddy Kong's absence as a trophy in Melee which was really sus.

…This is literally just a list of first party characters that have any form of relevance from their home series’ and/or have a slight chance of becoming a character. Also, “more notable exclusion” is kinda objective. I’d really take this with a grain of salt. I’m sure people could come up with equally long lists of third party characters with “more notable exclusions” than Terry before he was revealed, and look what happened. Likewise, you can literally create a list like this for any “excluded” character and question it. Sakurai and Nintendo are going to do whatever they want. If we get Porky, we get Porky. If we don’t, we don’t. But it’s not like any of us know what to expect for the last character.

Also, a majority of these characters are represented as Spirits, while Porky technically may not be. I’m not saying that means Porky’s chances are above and beyond these characters’ chances, I’m just saying that if this list is based on “exclusion”, then Porky is more excluded than most of these…

 

[SuperMrpingpong]

I'm losing hope guys. Maybe Smashboards is right that we are overexaggerating Porky's importance. Porky's complete exclusion from the game makes sense and that he is in the capsule.
Mushroomguy12 showed me a list of first parties whose exclusions are more notable than Porky's exclusion.
Waluigi
Kamek
Poochy
Paper Mario
Toad
Toadette
Pauline
Birdo
King Boo
Dixie Kong
Funky Kong
Cranky Kong
Rhythm Heaven characters (Chorus Kids, Karate Joe, etc)
Isaac
Matthew
Metroid
Advance Wars characters (Andy, Sami, etc)
Slippy Toad
Peppy Hare
Krystal
Skull Kid
Impa
Midna
Ghirahim
Tetra
Ganon
Tingle
Bandanna Dee
Marx
Magalor
Adeleine and Ribbon
Dark Meta Knight
Susie
Ashley
Captain Syrup
Mona
Jimmy T
9-Volt
Kat and Ana
Elma
Rex
Octoling
DJ Octavio
Lyn
Tiki
Ephraim
Eirika
Hector
Anna
Claude
Dimitri
Edelgard
Euden
Viridi
Medusa
Hades
Balloon Fighter
Astral Chain Reps
Ring Fit Trainers
Tom Nook
KK Slider
Dillon
Excitebike
Ayumi Tachibana
Ray MK III
Glass Joe
Doc Louis
Spring Man
Ribbon Girl
Twintelle
Max Brass
Black Shadow
Samurai Goroh
Jody Summer
Dr. Stewart
Pico
Wonder Red
Louie
Brittany
Charlie
Starfy
Meowth
Eevee
Decidueye
Tons of Pokemon that I probably would break the page if I tried listing them all.
etc. etc. etc.

Also one guy compared Porky's exclusion in Ultimate to Diddy Kong's Exclusion as a trophy from Melee. And yes Porky(ASC) will never compare to Diddy Kong's absence as a trophy in Melee which was really sus.

A lot of those characters are already in the game in some way (aside from like King Boo) so I wouldn’t call many of them “exclusions”.
Don’t lose faith

 

[TheCJBrine]

I'm losing hope guys. Maybe Smashboards is right that we are overexaggerating Porky's importance. Porky's complete exclusion from the game makes sense and that he is in the capsule.
Mushroomguy12 showed me a list of first parties whose exclusions are more notable than Porky's exclusion.
Waluigi
Kamek
Poochy
Paper Mario
Toad
Toadette
Pauline
Birdo
King Boo
Dixie Kong
Funky Kong
Cranky Kong
Rhythm Heaven characters (Chorus Kids, Karate Joe, etc)
Isaac
Matthew
Metroid
Advance Wars characters (Andy, Sami, etc)
Slippy Toad
Peppy Hare
Krystal
Skull Kid
Impa
Midna
Ghirahim
Tetra
Ganon
Tingle
Bandanna Dee
Marx
Magalor
Adeleine and Ribbon
Dark Meta Knight
Susie
Ashley
Captain Syrup
Mona
Jimmy T
9-Volt
Kat and Ana
Elma
Rex
Octoling
DJ Octavio
Lyn
Tiki
Ephraim
Eirika
Hector
Anna
Claude
Dimitri
Edelgard
Euden
Viridi
Medusa
Hades
Balloon Fighter
Astral Chain Reps
Ring Fit Trainers
Tom Nook
KK Slider
Dillon
Excitebike
Ayumi Tachibana
Ray MK III
Glass Joe
Doc Louis
Spring Man
Ribbon Girl
Twintelle
Max Brass
Black Shadow
Samurai Goroh
Jody Summer
Dr. Stewart
Pico
Wonder Red
Louie
Brittany
Charlie
Starfy
Meowth
Eevee
Decidueye
Tons of Pokemon that I probably would break the page if I tried listing them all.
etc. etc. etc.

Also one guy compared Porky's exclusion in Ultimate to Diddy Kong's Exclusion as a trophy from Melee. And yes Porky(ASC) will never compare to Diddy Kong's absence as a trophy in Melee which was really sus.

At least a few or so of these are arguable since they’re similar to EarthBound in popularity if not less popular.

Some of these also feel like reaches for more notable exclusions than Porky. Balloon Fighter is cool, I like Balloon Fight and he’d be cool in Smash, but people really gonna compare one-game NES characters to Porky? Even if they’re popular NES games, really? We’re gonna argue with this?

I don’t think it matters much regarding total popularity or how notable they are or whatever, but it feels kinda silly to downplay Porky by pushing all these other 1st-parties as “more notable” when some are really just as notable as Porky, and as if Smash Bros. even cares about that in the first place; by that logic Ness and Lucas shouldn’t be in either lol.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

I'm losing hope guys. Maybe Smashboards is right that we are overexaggerating Porky's importance. Porky's complete exclusion from the game makes sense and that he is in the capsule.
Mushroomguy12 showed me a list of first parties whose exclusions are more notable than Porky's exclusion.
Waluigi
Kamek
Poochy
Paper Mario
Toad
Toadette
Pauline
Birdo
King Boo
Dixie Kong
Funky Kong
Cranky Kong
Rhythm Heaven characters (Chorus Kids, Karate Joe, etc)
Isaac
Matthew
Metroid
Advance Wars characters (Andy, Sami, etc)
Slippy Toad
Peppy Hare
Krystal
Skull Kid
Impa
Midna
Ghirahim
Tetra
Ganon
Tingle
Bandanna Dee
Marx
Magalor
Adeleine and Ribbon
Dark Meta Knight
Susie
Ashley
Captain Syrup
Mona
Jimmy T
9-Volt
Kat and Ana
Elma
Rex
Octoling
DJ Octavio
Lyn
Tiki
Ephraim
Eirika
Hector
Anna
Claude
Dimitri
Edelgard
Euden
Viridi
Medusa
Hades
Balloon Fighter
Astral Chain Reps
Ring Fit Trainers
Tom Nook
KK Slider
Dillon
Excitebike
Ayumi Tachibana
Ray MK III
Glass Joe
Doc Louis
Spring Man
Ribbon Girl
Twintelle
Max Brass
Black Shadow
Samurai Goroh
Jody Summer
Dr. Stewart
Pico
Wonder Red
Louie
Brittany
Charlie
Starfy
Meowth
Eevee
Decidueye
Tons of Pokemon that I probably would break the page if I tried listing them all.
etc. etc. etc.

Also one guy compared Porky's exclusion in Ultimate to Diddy Kong's Exclusion as a trophy from Melee. And yes Porky(ASC) will never compare to Diddy Kong's absence as a trophy in Melee which was really sus.

They literally are all either a spirit or more in this game except Decidueye and tons of Pokémon as you said (and frankly with the huge amount it is quite impossible to put them all in), which doesn't compare to Porky who was already present as a boss previously but didn't even get a spirit.

 

[Merengue]

They literally are all either a spirit or more in this game except Decidueye and tons of Pokémon as you said (and frankly with the huge amount it is quite impossible to put them all in), which doesn't compare to Porky who was already present as a boss previously but didn't even get a spirit.

Either then the smash boards consensus either goes to "in the capsule" or "just not important like Giygas and the Pig King Statue

 

[MaplePie]

Either then the smash boards consensus either goes to "in the capsule" or "just not important like Giygas and the Pig King Statue

Ah yes the smashboards community. The people that are always wrong. Also I think the mushroom guy just wasn’t able to read your question correctly and has never played an earthbound game in his life.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Either then the smash boards consensus either goes to "in the capsule" or "just not important like Giygas and the Pig King Statue

I remember someone saying he wasn’t an important character to Mother 2 just because he wasn’t the main villain; really confused me since he clearly plays a role and is at least a secondary villain/sort of friend-turned-foe, and he’s the main villain in the next game of course…just as important as Giygas and maybe the main characters imo.

And if anyone is saying the statue is more important than him, even though it’s literally his statue and you don’t even have to fight it in the game anyway, then they really don’t know what they’re talking about :S

As for the capsule thing, I feel like some people bring it up because they feel like he is represented (so like they say it to someone saying he isn’t in), seeing it as a joke with how it’s “absolutely safe” yet Galeem got it with him still being kept inside (though you could interpret it as having kept him safe so he’s free now), though I don’t get why it matters, I mean the way you get it doesn’t imply he’s inside anyway, and you don’t get to see him like you could with an actual Porky spirit or something :/ Kind of a funny joke, yeah, but people would still like to actually see Porky himself…

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

In eight days we have Mother's anniversary to look at. While I doubt it would warrant another spirit event, possibly Nintendo themselves might acknowledge the game and possibly release it on the NES/SNES virtual libraries... Please Nintendo?

 

[Merengue]

In eight days we have Mother's anniversary to look at. While I doubt it would warrant another spirit event, possibly Nintendo themselves might acknowledge the game and possibly release it on the NES/SNES virtual libraries... Please Nintendo?

tbh the mother 30th anniversary was the best opportunity to release a proper Porky, Giygas, and Pig King Statue spirits. Plus Nintendo prob recognizes the demand for Mother on the switch after the virtual sales. I doubt they'd just give it to people for free after seeing tons of them screaming for the Mother series on the switch. If possible they'd do a Mother Trilogy for $60. It'd feel kinda weird if they held off Mother on the switch for Porky to join the roster.

Btw: Porky has only one "official" render: the Clay figure. So if they planned to make him a fighter, what other png could be used besides the sprites which would feel kind of weird considering the clay figure spirit should be his fighter spirit like Ness.

 

[SuperMrpingpong]

Btw: Porky has only one "official" render: the Clay figure. So if they planned to make him a fighter, what other png could be used besides the sprites which would feel kind of weird considering the clay figure spirit should be his fighter spirit like Ness.

They used a sprite for Lucas so I don’t feel like it would be too far fetched if they went for a sprite for Porky

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

They used a sprite for Lucas so I don’t feel like it would be too far fetched if they went for a sprite for Porky

I don't think we have any official render for any Mother 3 characters, explaining why Lucas only has a sprite used for his spirit, but I might easily be wrong.
Porky however has only one render for sure, which was already used in SSBB.

tbh the mother 30th anniversary was the best opportunity to release a proper Porky, Giygas, and Pig King Statue spirits. Plus Nintendo prob recognizes the demand for Mother on the switch after the virtual sales. I doubt they'd just give it to people for free after seeing tons of them screaming for the Mother series on the switch. If possible they'd do a Mother Trilogy for $60. It'd feel kinda weird if they held off Mother on the switch for Porky to join the roster.

I really don't think they will plan to release the Mother games along Porky. It's not impossible but I don't see them having planned that for three years, if not more. Imagine in 2018 Nintendo asking Sakurai "Alright, you know the main villain of Mother 3? We want you to make sure he is playable in 2021, that's when we plan to release the Mother on Switch games!".
Especially when all the characters of the second pass arenot there to promote any game released at the same time or extremely recently, contrary to the first pass which had Hero directly representing DQXIS, and Byleth, to an extent, whose spirit event was kept.

Hopefully September is the end of our misery!

 

[Oracle Link]

Especially when the mech is not as big in Mother 3/Earthbound as it is in Smash.
Contrary to Ridley who was shrinked to fit as a playable character, Porky was supersized so he could fit as a boss.

Yeah porkys canon mechs are pretty small! and even then it would be possible to make him playable without it!

 

[Baba]

I'm losing hope guys. Maybe Smashboards is right that we are overexaggerating Porky's importance. Porky's complete exclusion from the game makes sense and that he is in the capsule.
Mushroomguy12 showed me a list of first parties whose exclusions are more notable than Porky's exclusion.

"More notable" according to who? That's an opinionated statement.

 

[Merengue]

After looking at the Master Chief Support Thread, I found them to be in the same position as us except with more evidence which I find interesting.
List of Evidence
-Leakers backing him up for Smash
-Phil Spencer's Shelf Theory aligning with the end of FP2.
-Great business marketing move for Halo Infinite for Japan.
-Possible negotiation outcome (King Zell argument)
-"Finishes the Fight" Tagline --> True End to Smash
-Nintendo "baiting" Master Chief which would definitely cause conflicts between Nintendo and Microsoft.

No "credible" leaker has ever leaked Porky even though he had a "missing" spirit to this current day. We haven't heard anything about Nintendo's Relationship with Mother for the past 6 years.

We haven't gotten an answer from Sakurai/Smash team about Porky's situation. We still have no idea if he was supposed to have a part in the base game. I'm somewhat confident that some people would've asked them about Porky in the 3-year lifespan of the game. It could just be that Sakurai just refuses to acknowledge Porky's absence in public.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

After looking at the Master Chief Support Thread, I found them to be in the same position as us except with more evidence which I find interesting.
List of Evidence
-Leakers backing him up for Smash
-Phil Spencer's Shelf Theory aligning with the end of FP2.
-Great business marketing move for Halo Infinite for Japan.
-Possible negotiation outcome (King Zell argument)
-"Finishes the Fight" Tagline --> True End to Smash
-Nintendo "baiting" Master Chief which would definitely cause conflicts between Nintendo and Microsoft.

I don't see any of this as evidence. Out of the six points, the last five have no direct relation to Smash, and for the first point, I only know Vergeben "backing" him, but he didn't happen at the end of the day, and he also hinted at the champions from BOTW due to a popular leak.
Though if there are other leakers I'm curious to know who they are.

 

[Merengue]

Welp another month of Earthbound not being on the switch. This is a bad sign...

That stupid Sony soundtrack copyright

 

[Merengue]

Damn this thread is as dead as the MOTHER series

 

[Megadoomer]

Damn this thread is as dead as the MOTHER series

It's a slow period of Smash speculation in general; we've likely got another month or two until the next character is revealed, and with only one spot left, chances seem slim for most characters. Plus, when it comes to the Porky thread specifically, there aren't any new releases, or credible rumours of a Mother trilogy, Mother 3 release, or even Earthbound or Earthbound Beginnings coming to the Switch Online apps to discuss.

 

[Merengue]

It's a slow period of Smash speculation in general; we've likely got another month or two until the next character is revealed, and with only one spot left, chances seem slim for most characters. Plus, when it comes to the Porky thread specifically, there aren't any new releases, or credible rumours of a Mother trilogy, Mother 3 release, or even Earthbound or Earthbound Beginnings coming to the Switch Online apps to discuss.

Yea no one ever leaked Porky for Smash or a Mother Trilogy/Remake

 

[Baba]

It's a slow period of Smash speculation in general; we've likely got another month or two until the next character is revealed, and with only one spot left, chances seem slim for most characters. Plus, when it comes to the Porky thread specifically, there aren't any new releases, or credible rumours of a Mother trilogy, Mother 3 release, or even Earthbound or Earthbound Beginnings coming to the Switch Online apps to discuss.

I'm under the impression that we're going to be waiting much longer than usual for the next character.
Sakurai doesn't usually give us a heads up that it's going to be a long wait, but he did this time around. I'm expecting the final character at The Game Awards and for whoever it is to release a few days later.

 

[Merengue]

Well

I'm under the impression that we're going to be waiting much longer than usual for the next character.
Sakurai doesn't usually give us a heads up that it's going to be a long wait, but he did this time around. I'm expecting the final character at The Game Awards and for whoever it is to release a few days later.

Well it's been a good run guys. The final character is at Game Awards

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

I'm under the impression that we're going to be waiting much longer than usual for the next character.
Sakurai doesn't usually give us a heads up that it's going to be a long wait, but he did this time around. I'm expecting the final character at The Game Awards and for whoever it is to release a few days later.

I don't see what in Sakurai's statement might lead people to believe that. Most likely the next reveal will be in September, as they always reveal a character during this month's direct. Only exception being Steve; however we do have evidence that Steve was supposed to be released in September.
Plus they manage to follow a steady pattern of one character every three months up until now for both passes. I don't see why, all of a sudden, they would need an extra three months for a character. Especially when the wait would be much longer than between even Byleth and Min-Min, which was due to the Covid crisis starting worldwide.

 

[Baba]

I don't see what in Sakurai's statement might lead people to believe that. Most likely the next reveal will be in September, as they always reveal a character during this month's direct. Only exception being Steve; however we do have evidence that Steve was supposed to be released in September.
Plus they manage to follow a steady pattern of one character every three months up until now for both passes. I don't see why, all of a sudden, they would need an extra three months for a character. Especially when the wait would be much longer than between even Byleth and Min-Min, which was due to the Covid crisis starting worldwide.

I'm hoping you're right.
Maybe I'm misremembering but I could swear Sakurai said something like "it might be a while before the next announcement" during the Kazuya presentation which isn't something he normally does.

Either way at least we'll know by the end of the year.

 

[SuperMrpingpong]

It's a slow period of Smash speculation in general; we've likely got another month or two until the next character is revealed, and with only one spot left, chances seem slim for most characters. Plus, when it comes to the Porky thread specifically, there aren't any new releases, or credible rumours of a Mother trilogy, Mother 3 release, or even Earthbound or Earthbound Beginnings coming to the Switch Online apps to discuss.

And neither of the games are on the switch online yet strangely enough.
I want to think they are actually planning something for the games but it might just be that they’re taking a long time to do it. Similarly to what happened with DKC

 

[Merengue]

I've been talking with the people in the Speculation sub. I'm kinda conflicted if a third Mother Character is too much for a small series like Earthbound that sold terribly. The majority seem to agree that three would be overrepresent the series. Do you guys agree with the majority?

Plus, things are not looking so good for the Mother Series. Nintendo refuses to put Earthbound on the Switch Online Library, or maybe they just haven't thought about it. Would they really hold the entire series off for Smash 3 years in advance. Seems super unlikely. Plus Earthbound port might not even be enough. A Mother 3 Localization is essential if they want to justify Porky's inclusion. How has that been going for the past 15 years?

 

[TheCJBrine]

I've been talking with the people in the Speculation sub. I'm kinda conflicted if a third Mother Character is too much for a small series like Earthbound that sold terribly. The majority seem to agree that three would be overrepresent the series. Do you guys agree with the majority?

Plus, things are not looking so good for the Mother Series. Nintendo refuses to put Earthbound on the Switch Online Library, or maybe they just haven't thought about it. Would they really hold the entire series off for Smash 3 years in advance. Seems super unlikely. Plus Earthbound port might not even be enough. A Mother 3 Localization is essential if they want to justify Porky's inclusion. How has that been going for the past 15 years?

I personally disagree with the idea of characters/franchises deserving more or less than another, or that one could be overrepresented; imo it’s just cool to have characters I like or, if I don’t have a personal connection to them, still at least find cool, or even if I don’t feel either and am just disappointed, just feel “oh well” and at least see other people are happy + at least there’s still the characters I like even if I didn’t get another I really wanted to see :> (basically I don’t like to push some as having more importance or to let my bias cause me to do that…it’s not really fair)

So, I don’t think Mother getting another character, or even a few more characters, would be unfair. Same with Mario, Pokémon, Fire Emblem, etc. I think it’d only be unfair if, say, one series had like 20+ or so characters, and every other series had only one or very little despite having more that could clearly work. It’d show a clear bias issue. (I suppose something could be argued about how some series are currently, as I guess at least a few feel like they could have more, but of course this is subjective and I feel it’s fair enough to not be a problem, especially since we’re not fully aware of all the behind the scenes/character selection stuff, and of course at the end of the day it’s a fun crossover game, not really any need to have limits and stuff outside of the limits caused by time and budget).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It's easily better to say some are satisfied with Mother's current set, but also worth noting that they feel it has a lot for how big the series is and don't think Nintendo is likely to choose anyone from it(besides the fact the series is getting no more games as well, but re-releases can warrant character inclusions).

Though that said, Sakurai chooses characters outside of simply "cause that particular character has merit". He has done quotas before. It's just not very often. This has applied to Ice Climbers, the way he talks about Piranha Plant, Zero Suit Samus, and you could apply this to all the last minute clones(so not Ultimate's Echoes, but the first 4 unlockable characters in the series, who are all model swap fighters, though only two really are more or less clones gameplay-wise, Melee's 6 clone set, and the final two in 4), as they were there only cause being the right model design or bodyshape, and weren't going to get in otherwise. The last minute ones in 4 though are slightly different in that they were actually alts at first. All the Echoes like everybody else in base game, were all planned from the start in Ultimate. In Brawl, everybody who made it in was in the original project plan, even Wolf, so was only developed last minute, but wasn't a last minute addition to the plan.

If Nintendo decides to localize Mother 3(or is able to finally do so. The creator of the series is very picky on translations, which is understandable due to how he really cares about how the jokes go. The series is known for having a breezy nature, and losing a joke in translation hurts creative people because they would feel the game is represented wrongly. It's not that big of a deal, but I can fully understand where it's coming from), that means they could want a character from it. Porky is an easy choice. Hell, Ninten as a quick Echo in the same pack(I spoke of this earlier in a different thread; Challenger Packs can have more than one character. In the first Pass, it was stated it will not have Echoes. Pass 2 has no such statements and shouldn't be held to be identical, but "could" be in that regard) would be really cool. Porky can represent all 3 games, while we have the protagonist of each one, or at least in Lucas' case, close enough to the same design for a semi-clone.

 

[Baba]

I've been talking with the people in the Speculation sub. I'm kinda conflicted if a third Mother Character is too much for a small series like Earthbound that sold terribly. The majority seem to agree that three would be overrepresent the series. Do you guys agree with the majority?

Plus, things are not looking so good for the Mother Series. Nintendo refuses to put Earthbound on the Switch Online Library, or maybe they just haven't thought about it. Would they really hold the entire series off for Smash 3 years in advance. Seems super unlikely. Plus Earthbound port might not even be enough. A Mother 3 Localization is essential if they want to justify Porky's inclusion. How has that been going for the past 15 years?

I don't think a series "deserving" more reps matters much. I think Fire Emblem has the second most amount of characters right behind Mario, and it definitely isn't Nintendo's second biggest franchise. Donkey Kong is a huge deal and only has 3. Zelda only has 6 and 3 of them are Link.

Besides, Mother has been with Smash since the start. A third character wouldn't be weird at all.
Having FIVE Mother stages feels like a lot but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. The Devil's Machine would be a perfect stage for him and would be very different from all of the Mother stages we have so far.


I still think the lack of Giygas and Porky in the game is weird and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he were the last fighter. Don't give up hope.

 

[Merengue]

I don't think a series "deserving" more reps matters much. I think Fire Emblem has the second most amount of characters right behind Mario, and it definitely isn't Nintendo's second biggest franchise. Donkey Kong is a huge deal and only has 3. Zelda only has 6 and 3 of them are Link.

Besides, Mother has been with Smash since the start. A third character wouldn't be weird at all.
Having FIVE Mother stages feels like a lot but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. The Devil's Machine would be a perfect stage for him and would be very different from all of the Mother stages we have so far.


I still think the lack of Giygas and Porky in the game is weird and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he were the last fighter. Don't give up hope.

Lack of porky unless you count the capsule. Are you guys betting on the empty version of the capsule being an oversight or deliberate choice?

 

[SuperMrpingpong]

Lack of porky unless you count the capsule. Are you guys betting on the empty version of the capsule being an oversight or deliberate choice?

It could go either way.
I’m not going to delude myself into thinking it is 100% a hint but we have seen instances where glaring omissions have lead to characters (plant/sephiroth), but of course we have seen Sakurai go against the “”rules”” (Min Min/Pythra).
I don’t really agree with the “deserves” argument as it really is subjective and can be applied to most characters in some way so this final character could be almost anyone.
Just gotta enjoy the ride for the last few months before nintendo ends support for ultimate lol

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Lack of porky unless you count the capsule. Are you guys betting on the empty version of the capsule being an oversight or deliberate choice?

Still not counting the capsule as Porky since it is, as the name suggests, just the capsule.
Porky could have been forgotten, however I do not believe for a second that he is meant to be inside of the ASC.

 

[Merengue]

I found something really interesting from a Sakurai potd.

He maybe acknowledge Porky's existence or maybe the statue just looks cool.

 

[Merengue]

Sakurai got lazy and retweeted last year's Mother anniversary tweet for our celebration. That's nice

 

[Merengue]

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Happy 32nd anniversary! Here is some fanart of the Nintendo Villains in Smash

 

[Baba]

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Happy 32nd anniversary! Here is some fanart of the Nintendo Villains in Smash

Ultimate was really good for Smash in terms of villains. Getting K.Rool, Ridley, and Sephiroth- as well as getting Wolf back

If they kept going with a third fighter's pass, I'd definitely be rooting for Eggman, Gruntilda, Hades and other villains.

 

[SuperMrpingpong]

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Happy 32nd anniversary! Here is some fanart of the Nintendo Villains in Smash

Soon, the king will return

 

[Zeox]

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Happy 32nd anniversary! Here is some fanart of the Nintendo Villains in Smash

Damn I just saw it and wanted to post it... someone get him out of that thing!!!

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

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Happy 32nd anniversary! Here is some fanart of the Nintendo Villains in Smash

Imagin if some villain decided to use the ASC as a projectile.

 

[Merengue]

Imagin if some villain decided to use the ASC as a projectile.

Porky uses it for his grab