I made this post in hopes to open up peoples thinking processes and maybe to view the game a bit differently. feel free to comment criticize or critique. this is long so don't post TLDR
I play poker a lot, and besides being bias, am quite good i payed my way through school with it i just never continued with it, i play on and off but not nearly as much as i want to. I play almost always live 1-2 2-5 and 5-5, (that's 200, 300 and 500 dollar buy ins) i never really realized how many similarity's there are between smash an poker..
For those of you don't play poker IL let you know something. at anything beyond novice level of play for good players poker has almost nothing to do with the cards. cards are just a bi-product that supports everything else in the game such as hand ranges, emotional stability, STP (stack to pot) ratios pot odds and commitment post flop along with much more. similarly like in smash execution and tech skill only help support reads, miss-spacing, covering options and covering flukes (phantom hits, shield pokes, Randal) and some other stuff.
Changing Gears, a common term in poker but people have no clue what it is in smash, basically its when you instantly change your style up to trick an opponent or to adapt for maximum effectiveness, very few pros change gears. Its the same reason why pros are labeled with styles. I.e shiz is very aggressive and hbox very passive. very few players can change gears with there characters in any situation, mango and armada come to mind. in poker every top pro does that but it smash only a handful do.
Tilt. simple really. playing based on emotions and not logic. if you get sucked out and lose a hand in poker most players will get mad and just try to beat that player no matter if the decisions they make are bad, they want revenge. in smash if u keep getting killed with the same move i.e rest or keep getting forward smashed by falco u will get irritated and your level of play will decrease unless u have some sort of tilt control. another thing happens, if u get up smashed or rested many times in a row, all u will be thinking of is not letting that happen, that also takes away from your game and forces u to change your style. I hate to say its mind-games but its something similar. maybe tilt in poker is momentum to a degree in smash.
Again much like poker smash is a game of incomplete information which why they are both such deep games. free will and the fact that you have many options in many situations to choose from. what separates good players from not so good players besides mastery over your character( people usually call it tech skill or execution) is bottom line how fast u can process and retain information and apply it effectively. i.e mango processes info and applies it better then anyone else, the only difference is he has complete mastery over his characters. just think its a big thing when u see mango miss an l cancel or fail to jump out of his shine, but with other players u just shrug it off and its not a big deal.
Both games are simple to understand and learn but hard to master, both games have depth.
In my opinion someone should play differently depending on how the other player is playing not just use the options and combos you know best. This is how me and almost everyone else categorize people in poker.
OK in poker i usually categorize people when i play its relatively simple.
1. Tag (tight aggressive)
2. Lag (loose aggressive)
3. Tight passive
4. Loose passive
To give u a better idea IL list what i think is each marth play style.
1.Cactuar, EK
2.M2k, i.b
3.Kfc amsah(marth)
4.Hbk
Not that any style is bad i just think different styles of marths are better against certain match ups, it gets complicated when players can change gears between all 4 based on how your playing. that's why i think changing gears is so important.
I will run an something sheik vs Marth since i play sheik. this is pretty basic since marth sheik is a relatively simple match up in comparison to falco fox
TAG the marth is very campy but very aggressive in combos once he lands hits its usually better to use heavy spacing and needles, to force him out of his comfort zone and approach.
LAG The marth is very aggressive and over commits to situations. its better to stand your ground and not get pushed back, punish mistakes but they wont happen a lot. don't really need needle usually shield grab or nair OOS and basic bread and butter
Tight passive Marth doesn't approach and is very careful not to over commit, you can use needles and just pressure him to the side so hes trapped just hit him
Loose passive
Usually the marth will try to be flashy and is not very combo heavy doesn't commit much doesn't really approach, just kinda try's to hit u away. basic bread and butter i think wins this match up
post any thoughts.
I play poker a lot, and besides being bias, am quite good i payed my way through school with it i just never continued with it, i play on and off but not nearly as much as i want to. I play almost always live 1-2 2-5 and 5-5, (that's 200, 300 and 500 dollar buy ins) i never really realized how many similarity's there are between smash an poker..
For those of you don't play poker IL let you know something. at anything beyond novice level of play for good players poker has almost nothing to do with the cards. cards are just a bi-product that supports everything else in the game such as hand ranges, emotional stability, STP (stack to pot) ratios pot odds and commitment post flop along with much more. similarly like in smash execution and tech skill only help support reads, miss-spacing, covering options and covering flukes (phantom hits, shield pokes, Randal) and some other stuff.
Changing Gears, a common term in poker but people have no clue what it is in smash, basically its when you instantly change your style up to trick an opponent or to adapt for maximum effectiveness, very few pros change gears. Its the same reason why pros are labeled with styles. I.e shiz is very aggressive and hbox very passive. very few players can change gears with there characters in any situation, mango and armada come to mind. in poker every top pro does that but it smash only a handful do.
Tilt. simple really. playing based on emotions and not logic. if you get sucked out and lose a hand in poker most players will get mad and just try to beat that player no matter if the decisions they make are bad, they want revenge. in smash if u keep getting killed with the same move i.e rest or keep getting forward smashed by falco u will get irritated and your level of play will decrease unless u have some sort of tilt control. another thing happens, if u get up smashed or rested many times in a row, all u will be thinking of is not letting that happen, that also takes away from your game and forces u to change your style. I hate to say its mind-games but its something similar. maybe tilt in poker is momentum to a degree in smash.
Again much like poker smash is a game of incomplete information which why they are both such deep games. free will and the fact that you have many options in many situations to choose from. what separates good players from not so good players besides mastery over your character( people usually call it tech skill or execution) is bottom line how fast u can process and retain information and apply it effectively. i.e mango processes info and applies it better then anyone else, the only difference is he has complete mastery over his characters. just think its a big thing when u see mango miss an l cancel or fail to jump out of his shine, but with other players u just shrug it off and its not a big deal.
Both games are simple to understand and learn but hard to master, both games have depth.
In my opinion someone should play differently depending on how the other player is playing not just use the options and combos you know best. This is how me and almost everyone else categorize people in poker.
OK in poker i usually categorize people when i play its relatively simple.
1. Tag (tight aggressive)
2. Lag (loose aggressive)
3. Tight passive
4. Loose passive
To give u a better idea IL list what i think is each marth play style.
1.Cactuar, EK
2.M2k, i.b
3.Kfc amsah(marth)
4.Hbk
Not that any style is bad i just think different styles of marths are better against certain match ups, it gets complicated when players can change gears between all 4 based on how your playing. that's why i think changing gears is so important.
I will run an something sheik vs Marth since i play sheik. this is pretty basic since marth sheik is a relatively simple match up in comparison to falco fox
TAG the marth is very campy but very aggressive in combos once he lands hits its usually better to use heavy spacing and needles, to force him out of his comfort zone and approach.
LAG The marth is very aggressive and over commits to situations. its better to stand your ground and not get pushed back, punish mistakes but they wont happen a lot. don't really need needle usually shield grab or nair OOS and basic bread and butter
Tight passive Marth doesn't approach and is very careful not to over commit, you can use needles and just pressure him to the side so hes trapped just hit him
Loose passive
Usually the marth will try to be flashy and is not very combo heavy doesn't commit much doesn't really approach, just kinda try's to hit u away. basic bread and butter i think wins this match up
post any thoughts.
