Pokemon Challenge.

[Paladin77]

Thread from Gamefaqs: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=367023&topic=47999442

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Hello, fellow users!

I need some help with a problem of mine...

The thing is, me and some friends have planned a Pokemon challenge. The thought is that we sit in my apartment, playing Pokemon Blue/Red for 48 hours, then battle each other at the end and see who wins!

Sounds exiting?

Well, my only problem is that I can't decide witch team I should use. We won't be able to get our pokemons to level 100 in just 48 hours, so all the FAQs on GameFaqs doesn't really help, because they all either have the base or the max stats.

We also have some rules.
-No legendary pokemon. Mewtwo, Mew, Zapdos, Moltres and Articuto are forbidden.
-No glitches.
-No trading, witch means that I can't get Alakazam, Golem, Gengar or Machamp (though I think you can trade a Graveller in the game so that you van get Golem...).

We have also put up a point system. We battle each other (everyone battles everyone one time each) every 12 hours, and a win gives you 1 point. In the last battles (after 48 hours), every battle will give 2 points, and the final will give 3 points.

Some extra points can be earned in these ways:
-Beating Elite Four+rival first. 1 point.
-The highest leveled pokemon. 1 point.
-Most captured pokemons. 1 point.
-Catching Mewtwo first (even though you arn't allowed to use him). 1 point.
-Eventually catching the legendary birds first (not usable). 1 point each.

Please feel free to come with more suggestions on points that cen be earned.

Now another thing comes in consideration. Should you rush though the game, getting the pokemons you want, just aiming for the final tournament, or should you aim for the rest of the points too?

With all this is consideration, what do you think would be a good team for me? Please come with thoughts and/or questions, and I'll gladly reply on them

Regards,
Lejnoxxx

the posts are quite interesting too

 

[xLeafybug =D]

I actually did something like this with my cousin when I was a kid, but with Pkmn G/S/C. But only to beat the Elite 4, and then play a battle at the end. Because I went through the trouble of getting Tyranitar, I ***** him pretty bad.

 

[Moozle]

I've always wanted to do this! Maybe I can convince some of my friends to like pokemon for 48 hours

 

[Gates]

So there's 4 battles total and including the last one you'll have 9 points from Battles. Assuming you win at least two you'll have 4 points which means you'll need two additional points to win the contest. If you blaze through the game you'll get the Beat Elite 4 point and the Caught Mewtwo point after about 20 hours at which point you can go back through and catch all the pokemon you missed and grind your team up to obscenely high levels for the final battle.

As far as not using Alakazam, Gengar, Golem, and Machamp goes, it's really not that big a deal. Kadabra and Haunter are still big threats in RBY, Machamp sucks because he has no good STAB moves, and Graveler is outclassed by Rhydon anyway who isn't that hard to get (via Safari Zone Rhyhorn). What's more difficult is managing your TMs to still have an optimal moveset for everyone on your team.

Anyway, here is the team I would use for the final battle (I'm planning on having all of them around level 60):

Haunter - level ??? (29+)
(Caught as Gastly in Pokemon Tower before Erika battle - ~6 hours in)
Explosion (TM47)
Hypnosis (Level 29)
Mega Drain (TM21)
Thunderbolt (TM24)

Gengar was the fastest Hypnosis user in RBY and Haunter is the second fastest, making him a very good lead. Not only is he faster than other common leads like Jynx and Exeggutor but he is also a solid counter to common anti-leads like Dodrio, who he takes no super effective damage from. The main idea behind Haunter as a lead is to sleep something and GTFO until later when Normal or Fighting immunity is needed or it's safe for him to sweep (ie. nothing fast with Earthquake or Psychic).The thing that really threatens him is an anti-lead Dugtrio who is faster and can hit with Earthquake for an OHKO. The solution to this is to not try and sleep it and instead just GTFO to Dragonite, who can Agility up and start rapping. TBolt is used because there are no good Ghost STABs in this game and TBolt has good coverage. Mega Drain kills the two things that can stop you from sweeping with TBolt, Golem and Rhydon, and also gets you a little health which can be nice.

Kadabra - level ??? (42+)
(Bought as Abra from Celadon Gambling Center before Erika battle - ~6 hours in)
Psychic (Level 38)
Recover (Level 31)
Reflect (Level 42)
Thunder Wave (TM45)

Even if he's not quite as powerful as Alakazam, he still has the 8th highest Special in the game and is very hard to deal with. Oddly enough, Alakazam is known in RBY for its bulkiness (no seriously) and this Kadabra is built in much the same way. Get up a Reflect, spread Paralysis to the 7 pokemon in the game who outspeed you, Psychic everything else to death, and, as Sakurai said, you must Recover. Aside from having one attack, this build absolutely *****.

Lapras - Level ??? (38+)
(Gift from man in Silph Co Building before Sabrina battle - ~9 hours in)
Body Slam (Level 31)
Confuse Ray (Level 25)
Ice Beam (Level 38)
Rest (TM44)

Lapras is a solid supporter. The ParaFusion opportunity afforded by Body Slam and Confuse Ray is too good not to mention, STAB Ice Beam is great against a majority of the field, and Rest is good for Confusion stalling and resetting status after a TWave or Toxic. I personally would rather have Thunderbolt than Ice Beam, but since this is an in-game team we have to play by the game's rules.

Rhydon - Level ??? (42+)
(Caught as Rhyhorn in Safari Zone - ~14 hours in)
Body Slam (TM08)
Earthquake (TM26)
Rock Slide (TM48)
Substitute (TM50)

They call me the Rhymenocerous
My beats are phat
The birds are on my back
And I'm horny I'm HORNY!

The debate between Rhydon and Golem is long and drawn out and they both have a ton of aspects in each one that makes them about even overall. However, in the comparison between Rhydon and Graveler, Rhydon will win every time with little effort. There's absolutely no comparison between a NFE pokemon and this stone god. Substitute is to prepare for Starmie on the switch and Body Slam is to paralyze it. EQ and Rock Slide should be obvious. Rhydon has the strongest non-crit EQ in the game, which is kind of a big deal.

Snorlax - Level ??? (56+)
(Caught on either side of Celadon/Viridian City - ~12 hours in)
Body Slam (Level 35)
Hyper Beam (Level 56)
Selfdestruct (TM36)
Surf (HM03)

Normal types in RBY are godly since there are only two good fighting attacks - High Jump Kick which only Hitmonlee has, and the rarely used self-damaging Submission. Snorlax is one of the better normal types because of his high HP, amazing attack, and respectable Special. Snorlax's SelfDestruct is the most powerful non-crit move in the game and his other normal STAB attacks are strong too. Surf is partly to deal with Rhydon, Graveler, and other similar problems, but also because Rhydon has to use the EQ TM.

Dragonite - Level ??? (60+)
(Bought as Dratini from Celadon Gambling Center before Erika battle - ~6 hours in)
Agility (Level 20)
Blizzard (TM14)
Hyper Beam (Level 60)
Wrap (Start)

Dragonite was chosen largely because of his resistance to Ground and the fact that he doesn't have any overlapping TM moves with other pokemon on the team. The general idea is to be a trapper/annoyer by using Agility and Wrap and then killing it with Blizzard and/or Hyper Beam. Blizzard is inaccurate but reccommended anyway for its damage output.

So yeah, that's what I'd do.

 

[Paladin77]

:o wow nice read you really got your strategies down.

 

[Gates]

No I don't, that timetable is so shaky. idk if I'll even get through Nugget Bridge before the 6 hour mark.

 

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

Ah, reminds me of when I use to speed run Pokemon with my brother. First one to beat the Elite Four wins, with battles after both players win each badge.

Good times.


If anybody hasn't done something like this, you should. It's good fun.

 

[Espy Rose]

Sounds hilarious.

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It'd be 150% more interesting if you didn't care about all the hidden values and whatnot to a Pokemon, and just fought each other like men instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGLHlvb8skQ

On another note, you know what would be intense?

Limited Pokeballs and items.
Have fun catching the harder stuff.

 

[Gates]

Because of the time constraints you wouldn't be able to do EV or IV training anyway.

 

[Espy Rose]

That's not the point I'm making, but sure, that's true.

There should be Pokeball and item limits, just to make it more manly.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Only Pokeballs and potions allowed.

Have fun with that.

-Terywj

 

[Paladin77]

Other peoples ideas (Posts from the forum)

Speedrun through the game with blastoise or nidoking.


Be secretive about your strategy so they don't copy you or make a team just to beat you

you'll get the 'highest lvl pokemon' point, 'beat elite four first' point and probably win the early battles; 12 h in you can get it in the 80s or 90s (just watch out for your opponents using sleep, explosion, etc. switch to a random pokemon when they use sleep powder and switch back to ensure blastoise doesn't get put to sleep).

Afterwards, go catch high level pokemon in the unknown dungeon: rhydon, dodrio, chansey, kadabra (-> alakazam), weebinbell (-> victreebel), and venomoth are all OK.

Train with the elite four, don't solo it with a pokemon but switch between your pokemon because it will be hard for rhydon to beat lorelei, dodrio to beat onix and rhydon, etc. You might have a bit of trouble training chansey (awful defense so you need to find a wild one with a good defence DV).

Be careful with your TMs. You don't want to have a dodrio with no body slam or something, since you can't dupe TMs.

Some pokemon that would take some more time but are very good are snorlax, starmie, exeggutor, jolteon and jynx (you trade poliwhirl for jynx, so it levels faster).

Even though blastoise sucks, it's on your team because you have to speedrun with it (unless you use nidoking) so it's already levelled; if you have extra tome, go get starmie or jynx or something. if you can't trade, your stuck with kadabra but you can probably convince your friends to allow trades (if that happens, you can use golem since it learns earthquake naturally, but it requires more training than rhydon).

and be SURE to read about some pokemon strategy and movesets. Check out the advanced battling FAQ and strategy guide at gamefaqs and go to smogon.com and follow the links

By the way, moltres sucks.



note: if glitches were allowed, you could get a team of lvl100s with near-perfect stats, full PP ups, full stat exp, etc in 48 hours.

What you are going to want to do is beat the game as fast as possible with Blastoise. Make sure to fight a good amount of trainers though. Blastoise is going to be a great asset in leveling your other Pokemon. I think that training against the E4 is the fastest way to train even if you have to switch. I might be wrong on this, but I don't think so.

The game should take you three to five hours depending. The reason you wasted time on an otherwise useless Pokemon is because for the rest of the 7 to 9 hours you have before your first battle it is much easier to spam exp. from the Elite Four than anything else, and to do that you need something that can take attacks and the like. You shouldn't waste attacks on Blastoise, so he should have Dig/Surf/Mega Punch/Bite or something similar at the end.

Early on the most important thing is getting Pokemon to 100. Six level 60s are going to have a horrible time against even one level 100, so it is a good idea to train one Pokemon at a time.

Exeggutor, Slowbro, Snorlax, Jynx, Dragonite, and Chansey are the Pokemon I am going to suggest you use. The only problem I see with this team is that it lacks support in paralyzing, but it is hard to fix this problem with only one Thunder Wave TM. Make sure you don't reveal Dragonite (I will give you sets at the end with explanations) because if they catch on it won't be as easy for you to win.

Try to build Exeggutor and Slowbro first. In the first twelve hours you should have built up Exeggutor and Slowbro well, and Blastoise should still be useful. The next Pokemon to build up (in order) are Snorlax, Chansey, Jynx and Dragonite.

Jynx
-Body Slam
-Blizzard
-Lovely Kiss
-Counter/Filler

Snorlax
-Body Slam
-Hyper Beam
-Surf / Earthquake
-Selfdestruct

Exeggutor
-Sleep Powder
-Stun Spore
-Psychic
-Selfdestruct

Slowbro
-Surf
-Thunder Wave
-Amnesia
-Recover

Chansey
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Softboiled
-Reflect / Counter

Dragonite
-Wrap
-Agility
-Surf
-Hyper Beam

It's probably going to be a pain to train Dragonite, but it is worth it. Give him Blizzard if Jynx doesn't learn Blizzard at too high a level. He can gain exp faster with it. The plan is to set up Agility and then Wrap as much as possible before using the appropriate moves. It is much easier to do this when Gengar and par support aren't as effective.

Slowbro is another Pokemon that is just really effective. It may seem useless to waste Thunder Wave on it, but it can sweep easily.

Snorlax is there because he has an effective damage output, and he will break stall easily. If you think someone will try using Haunter then use Earthquake on him, but otherwise just use Surf because it's better.

Chansey is great because it stops special attacks, and it is much better at it without Alakazam running rampant. I'd suggest Reflect more than Counter because you'll want Chansey to be able to stay in against physical attacks sometimes.

Jynx has STAB Blizzard and can use sleep effectively. Otherwise she is just filler, and she makes a good starter. There aren't really any better options as starters really since the list of usable starters has gone down a lot without trading.

Exeggutor is really important here. He can come in on a lot of stuff and he can use Stun Spore. He is really useful all around. You'll find that he is going to be your main status inducer because you don't want to use Slowbro to take attacks.

Exeggutor, Slowbro, Snorlax, Jynx, Dragonite, and Chansey are the Pokemon I am going to suggest you use.

... this is on cartridge and is a race to get the best team without rare candy glitches. First of all, why do i not see minimize or double team on any movesets? Second of all, why doesn't exeggutor have explosion?


I also reccomend using pokemon with faster growth rates, jynx especially because of 1.5x exp speed, dodrio and other good pokemon that do NOT have 'slow' growth (or to a lesser extent, 'fading') are preferable .

Yeah, so speedrun - > get good pokemon -> win

and i advise you to have a fast sweeper so you don't get swept by an enemy venusaur or anything.

 

[Gates]

I don't see how Nidoking is going to help in a speed run. For starters, it's only a viable option in Red or Yellow where it has a 20% appearance rate and not Blue where it has a 5% appearance rate. Second, how exactly is it supposed to help against Brock? Are you just planning on Poison Stinging it? If it were Yellow where it learns Double Kick early I could understand, but not R/B. Aside from those things though, it is a good pokemon and definitely useable.

And I really think people are overestimating how hard it is to get a Chansey, even in the Unknown Dungeon.

 

[supermarth64]

You could just gay out and an Agility Dragonite with Wrap.

That'll piss your friend off.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Agility + Wrap Dragonite is so lame.

I hate that thing so much..

Well I'm not your friend but whatevs. xD

-Terywj

 

[Gates]

It's lame but you need it. It's immune to the best move in the game, Earthquake, has only 2 weaknesses since there are no Dragon attacks in this game besides Dragon Rage, has good stats and a good movepool, and it's just generally really solid. AgiliWrap is a pretty gay build sure but it's good in-game since he learns most of the moves by leveling up and only needs a TM (Blizzard) or HM (Surf) to round out the set.