Pocket Discussion Thread

[TenZaBlade]

While lurking around smashboards in lieu of the flood of Smash media and info we've been receiving over the past 48 hours, there were 2 things I was looking for that I realized we don't have yet: 1) a thread showing/detailing all of the custom special moves and 2) a comprehensive list of everything Murabito (sounds cooler) can pocket. So here it is! This is starting with everything I've personally seen pocketed and with everyone's help, we can fully flesh it out! In order to provide more detail, certain items will have a ** next to them with a note of their special properties if they have any

CONFIRMED POCKETABLE ITEMS, OBJECTS, & HAZARDS:

Universal:

• All game items (obviously) EXCEPT Assist Trophies, Smash Balls, Pokeballs, and Master Balls

Mario:

• Fireballs
• FLUDD

Link:

• Arrows
• Boomerang
• Bomb** [Transfers to hand when released rather than just being thrown]

Murabito:

• Tree** [Only an opponent Villager's OR your own IF FIRST REFLECTED]
• Loid Rocket** [Refer to Tree]
• Forward Smash (bowling ball)
• Fair/Bair (slingshot pellets)
• Running Attack (the potted plant)

Megaman:

• Forward Smash (blast)
• Up Air (the tornado)
• Metal Blade
• Up B (Rush)
• Down Air** [Continues straight down when released]
• Leaf Shield
• Lemons (jab/f-tilt/nair)

Fox

• Lasers

Falco

• Lasers

Pikachu:

• Thundershock
• Down B** [Lightning bolt is smaller than Pikachu's and goes straight down from its spawn point in front of Villager]

Pit:

• Arrows

African American Pit:

• Arrows

Zelda

• Down B (phantom)

Lucario

• Aura Sphere

Samus

• Charge Shot
• Missles

Zero Suit Samus

• Blaster shots

 

[Gaminguy010]

I'm pretty sure I saw Villager pocket another Villager's Potted Sapling in a stream of the demo.

 

[TenZaBlade]

I'm pretty sure I saw Villager pocket another Villager's Potted Sapling in a stream of the demo.

I thought I saw that too but I wasn't sure. Need confirmation or more people saying they definitely saw it and I'll add it to the list

 

[Ryan.]

He can also pocket another Villager's bowling ball.

Dr. Mario's pills and Dark Pit's arrows probably too but we haven't seen that yet. (Oh but Pit's arrows can be added)

 

[TenZaBlade]

He can also pocket another Villager's bowling ball.

Dr. Mario's pills and Dark Pit's arrows probably too but we haven't seen that yet. (Oh but Pit's arrows can be added)

Adding to the list

 

[Backgammon]

Something that I found today while playing the demo is that Villager's Pocket (Neutral B) clanks non-physical Smashes.

I was about to get wrecked by Pikachu's charged Forward Smash. Now, my PM instincts kicked in here, so I quickly smacked B. The attack was clanked and the FSmash dealt no damage to me.

 

[Pucciogaeshi]

You might want to add that Megaman's Metal Blade is also spawned in hand, like Link's bombs.

 

[AnOkayDM]

I believe it was shown off that Villager can grab Zelda's Phantom. I don't remember where though.

 

[BJN39]

Villager can pocket Zelda's Phantom Slash


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EDIT: derp ninja'd. It was last April at the smash direct @ AnOkayDM

 

[Player-1]

I wasn't able to pocket PK flash on the explosion part, anyone know if he can pocket the charge or PK flash at all?

 

[Pazzo.]

African American Pit...

 

[Pucciogaeshi]

weirdly enough you can also pocket Mario's FLUDD and throw a stream of water out.

 

[Bunny8093]

I couldn't pocket a Pokeball but I guess that counts in about the same way as Assist Trophies. I love how you can switch between the thing in your pocket and the thing in your hand with the pocket move I can tell this move will definitely come in handy

 

[Pokemon-master]

omg can someone test if this works for everyone or just link and can he send it back

 

[WhiteKnight]

OMG thats so awesome..... Do you know what happens if he unpockets?
does he use his own, or the one he pocketed? Or is the Smash ball just released?

 

[Kipcom]

Nothing happens. You can see Villager shrugging his arms because he didn't grab anything.

Villager is using invincibility frames of the Pocket to avoid Link's Final Smash. I'm pretty sure this won't work on every Final Smash, and no, he gets nothing out of this other than avoiding the Final Smash (which is still broken if you ask me).

 

[Nautilus]

You can also pocket Megaman's pellets. The neutral a / nair that is. You can also pocket Megaman's Leaf Shield, the down-b. I think it's also worth mentioning that I can't pocket pokeballs on the ground, but you can pocket a pokeball that somebody has thrown.

 

[Pokemon-master]

oh got my hopes up but wow that is a bit op

 

[SamSun]

You can pocket Villager's bair and fair pellets.
You can pocket Megaman's leaf shield.

 

[TenZaBlade]

Thanks for all the additions! Updating the OP!

 

[Meta_Ridley]

Grabbing an enemy Villager's potted sapling (dash attack) confirmed.

 

[!BSP]

I wasn't able to pocket PK flash on the explosion part, anyone know if he can pocket the charge or PK flash at all?

Any update on this? Doubles meta game may hinge on it.

 

[TenZaBlade]

Grabbing an enemy Villager's potted sapling (dash attack) confirmed.

updating OP. thank you-- was unsure about this one.

 

[Brickbuild101]

Interesting, I'll try dat out. ...What CAN'T he Pocket?

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Pocket also grants intangibility during certain attacks. I'll have to test it out more, but I know for a fact that it grants intangibility when trying Pocket a Lloid Rocket another Villager is riding (i.e. they pass right through you and you incur no damage, knockback, hitstun, etc.).

 

[Indigo Jeans]

You can also Pocket Megaman's UpB.

 

[Player-1]

That makes sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W35BxjRrGpY

Villager isn't cancelling the final smash here, he's just intangible (possibly in the z axis?) so it's the same thing as if Villager wasn't there and Link would try to final smash

 

[iRockstuff]

I call this tactic "Pick-pocketing."

 

[TenZaBlade]

You can also Pocket Megaman's UpB.

Already had this, but updated to be more clear that it's the Up-B. Thank you

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Already had this, but updated to be more clear that it's the Up-B. Thank you

Ah, I see. I didn't know it was called Rush. Hah, my mistake.

 

[TimeSmash]

African American Pit

 

[Ganreizu]

Honestly i think it's easier to list things he CAN'T pocket

 

[Indigo Jeans]

That makes sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W35BxjRrGpY

Villager isn't cancelling the final smash here, he's just intangible (possibly in the z axis?) so it's the same thing as if Villager wasn't there and Link would try to final smash

Yes exactly. Ha ha I was looking for that same video. Basically Pocket works like a spotdodge, because that same thing happens in Brawl when spotdodging the beam of light from Link's final smash. They probably coded it like that to allow Villager to Pocket stuff without setting off the contact flag that would make a projectile end and do whatever it does. So like what I'm thinking is that Pocket is coded such that it if, say, Flag B is the flag that goes off when a projectile makes contact and causes it to end, because Villager "dodges" it, the flag never goes off. And if Flag A is the flag that tells the projectile that it is still active, while the thing is Pocketed, Flag A is kept on. That would explain why certain things like Mario's Fireball, Pikachu's Thunderjolt, and Megaman's FSmash automatically go their merry way when unpocketed, but other stuff like Link's Bombs and Mega Man's buzzsaws become held items when unpocketed.

Speaking of which, if Mega Man's buzzsaws are coded like grabbable items, then that might mean that there's a way for them to cancel the automatic throw and hold onto it, like Snake's platform-cancelled Grenade tosses.

All of this is just conjecture though, but its fun to think about right?

Edit2: It seems that you don't have to be attempting to pocket something for the intangibility to kick in. I was playing against an AI Mega Man. While I was holding a piece of timber, it shot its FSmash at me. I hit the B button, and while Pocketing the timber piece the blast didn't affect me. I'll do more testing to see if it was just a fluke and the FSmash didn't reach me at all, but if that isn't the case then Pocket can turn out to be pretty versatile.

 

[TenZaBlade]

Honestly i think it's easier to list things he CAN'T pocket

haha he can pocket quite a bit

 

[extremechiton]

i paused while using pocket and villager doesnt go into the z axis as he does with a spot doge, but pocketing has the same effect as a spot dodge.

 

[Indigo Jeans]

That is correct. Pocket works like a spotdodge in that it gives your hurtbox intangibility, but if it were to make you go into the z-axis it wouldn't be able to Pocket things. Though I guess they could have done something funky like having Villager go into the z-axis but having the Pocketing hitbox stay in the x-axis a la Brawl Charizard's NAir, but that would be less elegant.

 

[Cerberus290]

I've had a similar experience, but with the bowling ball. During the demo, I keep accidentally using the side smash and I've noticed it blocks a few projectiles and non-physical smashes like Pikachu's side smash, link's arrow, and megaman's metal blade. I think I've had it block Link's side smash as well at some point, but I'm not absolutely sure of that.

 

[ten Busch]

He can also pocket Link's final smash (or the light beam that activates it)

People are saying he was out of range, but im very certain that Link's FS has a range far beyond that.

EDIT: Nevermind, he shrugs. It was just the armor frames i think.

 

[Player-1]

It was neither, Link's final smash just acted as if it missed because he isn't tangible during certain frames of the pocket.

 

[TenZaBlade]

Any new discoveries folks?