Play Honorably?

[FallenHero]

This. This so much. This is a compeitive game, and yet you guys are acting like playing to win is a bad thing. So long as you aren't cheating, there's nothing wrong with using all your available tools to reach victory. You guys can cry about so-called honorable playstyles all you want, but if you cant beat laser-gyro-laser-gyro-laser-gyro, then it's on you.

Yeah I agree with you. The only reason I would have a problem with this is if you and the person you are playing against are just playing on FG or friendlies online/in person and switch one of you switches to Sheik just to win against the other in a game where there are no stakes at risk aside from the player's own fragile ego. For the thing about the laser-gyro, I don't really think it is about being honorable or not, it is really just that most people wouldn't be having any fun playing against that.

Being honorable is not getting all whiny whenever you lose a game. I don't think anyone can argue that sometimes they do have a point when they complain about why the other guy might have won the match, but there are times where it was either your fault you lost or you just got outplayed.

 

[MagiusNecros]

I play as Bowser I will need every trick in the book to win a game against a competent player.

 

[Eisal]

Intentional lag is something I believe I have fought against.

Every time I hit someone away and was about to do a follow up, frames dropped, making me do a 'usmash' on the spot pretty much every time it happens. The opponent couldn't do much either to punish me, but I could not follow up with anything.

I have both won and lost horribly against such.

 

[Xandercosm]

Dang that's terrible. The whole "anything to win" mentality really bothers me. I just want to have a fun 1v1 stock match without running into some Ness specialist.

I HATE Ness...

 

[MagiusNecros]

I HATE Ness...

Me too.

 

[Nona]

I just want to have a fun 1v1 stock match without running into some Ness specialist.

*cries and picks Palutena instead*

EDIT: *CRIES LOUDER AT THE NESS HATE*

 

[Shadow_13]

Hi,

I'm a new poster to SmashBoards, but I've lurked around for awhile. I primarily play 1v1 For Glory on the 3DS (well, at least with other people), but I have found some REALLY annoying practices, and I'm wondering if there's anything more to do about them other than complain here....

Intentional Lag
This, by far, is the worst thing I encounter. It's relatively common, in that I mean I play a lot and encounter this a lot. It is something that is actually REALLY easy to induce, and it is among the most annoying things ever. I'm sure many of you have experienced this: you play a good match that has no lag, but suddenly the next match has lag at weird times. Such as when you are trying to pull off a combo or are trying to recover. This just needs to stop, and I always both block and report people I think do this when I play them.

Teabaggers
Crouch, crouch, crouch... Wtf. This game has actual built in taunts, and so teabagging is a weird thing. I suppose it's a "safe" taunt, but it's also... well, it is what it is for videogames. For people who say it's *not* teabagging... well, I just have to point this out. 'Teabagging' now is not what it was. Now, pretty much in any game, crouching repeatedly is the "teabag" type taunt or whatever. Here, it's teabagging, and it's worse because you have the option of a pre-programmed animation. You're choosing to do the universal teabag action instead of an animation.

Anything To Win
Some people think "For Glory" means "Don't Have Fun, Do EVERYTHING you can to win." This is stupid. Have fun. No one, and I mean NO ONE (but you, maybe) cares about your record. I play chess competitively. I think it's similar. I never play to lose; I always play to win. But I also want to have fun, EVEN WHEN I lose. If the other player is dickish, and just waits out time when in a losing position, that's not fun for anyone. It's stupid and wasteful. Can't we just play and have fun? Get better? Practice without being asinine?

Dude... reading that. Exactly my thoughts. If you have a 3DS, you've got to add me as a friend.

 

[FunAtParties]

How does one "intentionally lag"?

 

[Xandercosm]

*cries and picks Palutena instead*

EDIT: *CRIES LOUDER AT THE NESS HATE*

 

[Nona]

How does one "intentionally lag"?

They probably download a gig of whatever while they're playing...

Y'know, using their feet to move the mouse and stuff

 

[FunAtParties]

They probably download a gig of whatever while they're playing...

Y'know, using their feet to move the mouse and stuff

That's some serious desperation right there.

 

[windlessusher]

There's also something called a "Lag Switch", you should look into it.

 

[FunAtParties]

I don't get it, why would anyone want to win that way? How could you feel good about winning, if you can't win without cheating? Is win percentages that important to them?

 

[FallenHero]

I don't get it, why would anyone want to win that way? How could you feel good about winning, if you can't win without cheating? Is win percentages that important to them?

I dunno. Some people are just really desperate and do things like that to make them feel like they are good at the game. I wonder how they would react to a good player challenging them to set offline.

 

[Xandercosm]

I dunno. Some people are just really desperate and do things like that to make them feel like they are good at the game. I wonder how they would react to a good player challenging them to set offline.

They wouldn't. They would just make up an excuse for why they can't play.

 

[Raijinken]

I do have to defend crouching as being something I do because I find the repeated animations funny, and because as mentioned, it's safer than taunting. It's only teabagging if it's over someone's corpse.

Intentional lag is irritating, but I know so few people that WANT to play with lag that I find it a bit more believable that they're simply playing in houses with irritating siblings and parents who are obsessed with Netflix and funny cat videos.

Either way, people are pricks. Happens on the internet, unfortunately.

 

[windlessusher]

Y'know what I hate?
I take a stock, then they immediately SD, then tell me I suck or that I'm cheap.

 

[Xandercosm]

Y'know what I hate?
I take a stock, then they immediately SD, then tell me I suck or that I'm cheap.

I like that too...

 

[Toon612Link]

Asking people to play Honorably is the same as asking for a handicap.

 

[FallenHero]

Asking people to play Honorably is the same as asking for a handicap.

The way I look at it is that people who are giving you a handicap just to beat you and make you feel bad when they play are playing dishonorably. I don't consider camp or top tier characters dishonorable. Now doing something like stepping on someone's shoe mid-match or hand in between matches during is something dishonorable and should be punished.

 

[Ze Diglett]

The only "code of honor" that I play by is to never use my taunt. I don't want to be an asshole to my opponent, I know all too well how that **** feels. Taunting after every kill just gives off a really bad first impression.
The only exception is if, and only if, my opponent does first. If the opponent doesn't follow my code of honor, then I see no reason to show them any pity.
Otherwise, though, I'll go all-out. If you constantly fall to my D-smash, I'll use it more. If you always airdodge out of my D-throw, I'll gladly exploit that. If you can't approach through my "projectile spam," then I'll continue to throw Gyros and lasers at you. That's what Smash is all about, catching on to habits and punishing accordingly. I don't care how it makes you feel, and I honestly couldn't care less if it's fun to play against or not. If you don't like it, it's not like anyone's forcing you to stick around anyway.

 

[FallenHero]

The only "code of honor" that I play by is to never use my taunt. I don't want to be an ******* to my opponent, I know all too well how that **** feels. Taunting after every kill just gives off a really bad first impression.
The only exception is if, and only if, my opponent does first. If the opponent doesn't follow my code of honor, then I see no reason to show them any pity.
Otherwise, though, I'll go all-out. If you constantly fall to my D-smash, I'll use it more. If you always airdodge out of my D-throw, I'll gladly exploit that. If you can't approach through my "projectile spam," then I'll continue to throw Gyros and lasers at you. I don't care how it makes you feel, and I honestly couldn't care less if it's fun to play against. If you don't like it, it's not like anyone's forcing you to stick around anyway.

I do agree with not being an ***hole to your opponent, but you shouldn't worry about "first impressions" to some anonymous person you most likely won't be meeting in person.

 

[al3jo]

i have fought all of those, especially the last one, and i have to tell you i'm kind of tired from that, i know i'm not that good of a player and i'm trying to get better but, i mean, i've been trapped 30 seconds into a combo from a sheik without being able to do anything other than watching how my percentage goes up, i know it's called for glory but god!! that's just something that would upset anyone.

and don't even get me started when there's a combination between that and lag.

 

[Rinku リンク]

I find crouching to actually be a bit more toned down version of taunting honestly. Taunts are well known for promoting BM so I don't do it a whole lot myself (unless it's some cocky mofo).

Intentionally lagging is just dirty play to make them feel good about themselves. I swear sometimes I lag "conveniently" every time I'm off stage and they spike me before I can air dodge or react.

 

[Ravine]

People switch to Link just because they can't handle projectile spam or something and do it themselves. They try to and want to win, but wut... dats rlly a weird way to do it lolz. The game has a lot of young people in it, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's their mode of thinking, that the characters themselves will take you forward rather than the skills of the player.

Anything to win vs desperately wanting to win is very different. If they are desperate, they go with their pocket characters. I don't mind spamming, etc. it's part of the game and is a legitimate tactic, but sometimes the mentality gets to be annoying, as evident in their play style and hurling insults at you.

 

[Astellius]

People switch to Link just because they can't handle projectile spam or something and do it themselves. They try to and want to win, but wut... dats rlly a weird way to do it lolz. The game has a lot of young people in it, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's their mode of thinking, that the characters themselves will take you forward rather than the skills of the player.

Anything to win vs desperately wanting to win is very different. If they are desperate, they go with their pocket characters. I don't mind spamming, etc. it's part of the game and is a legitimate tactic, but sometimes the mentality gets to be annoying, as evident in their play style and hurling insults at you.

FINALLY, I think someone understands me. YES, there is a difference between "anything to win" and always trying to win, "desperately wanting to win," putting in your all, etc. Basically, like I've said before, I've seen a LOT of people justify bad behavior for the sake of "winning," and this just is all part of "ANYTHING to win."

Sorry for taking someone else's post and leading into a different line--but, like, I almost always play to win. For me, this means trying to play my best to secure victory. It does NOT include trying to mess with my opponent's emotions by taunting or provocation, or else playing in such a manner DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY to annoy the other player.

I guess that is what "playing honorably," for me, is about. Trying my hardest to play via skill against the other player's skill. If I need to taunt or teabag or lag switch the other player in order to win, I don't deserve to win. In such cases, the player's skill isn't up to the task, and so cheap tricks seek to fill the deficit. And, really, what's that worth?

 

[Ravine]

I am always very sensitive of social strictures and codes/etiquette, a view of mine which I also take to the online world. You probably are too if you pick up on the annoying FG quirks.

 

[Dark Phazon]

I'm not going to say i haven't noticed how one match will be great and the next will lag, but how does one intentionally lag?

I hear that but its much more like the first match is really fun and the 2nd to 3rd is really salty and just gets worse...its time to leave after that...

 

[Reila]

I do agree with not being an ***hole to your opponent, but you shouldn't worry about "first impressions" to some anonymous person you most likely won't be meeting in person.

So you are only nice to people you will eventually meet in person? That's depressing. People should "worry about first impressions" and try be nice to everyone. It's a shame being courteous isn't a virtue everyone is blessed to have.

The only "code of honor" that I play by is to never use my taunt. I don't want to be an ******* to my opponent, I know all too well how that **** feels. Taunting after every kill just gives off a really bad first impression.
The only exception is if, and only if, my opponent does first. If the opponent doesn't follow my code of honor, then I see no reason to show them any pity.
Otherwise, though, I'll go all-out. If you constantly fall to my D-smash, I'll use it more. If you always airdodge out of my D-throw, I'll gladly exploit that. If you can't approach through my "projectile spam," then I'll continue to throw Gyros and lasers at you. That's what Smash is all about, catching on to habits and punishing accordingly. I don't care how it makes you feel, and I honestly couldn't care less if it's fun to play against or not. If you don't like it, it's not like anyone's forcing you to stick around anyway.

Just depressing. People like you are what makes online play a toxic environment for others. The problem isn't even the projectile spamming, but your extremely ****ty, entitled and childish attitude.

 

[Ze Diglett]

Just depressing. People like you are what makes online play a toxic environment for others. The problem isn't even the projectile spamming, but your extremely ****ty, entitled and childish attitude.

So not actively trying to piss off my opponent and using my character's moves to take advantage of my opponent's habits is making FG is a worse place?
Heheh... right... by that logic, competitive Smash is the most disrespectful, childish thing in the galaxy.

 

[FallenHero]

So you are only nice to people you will eventually meet in person? That's depressing. People should "worry about first impressions" and try be nice to everyone. It's a shame being courteous isn't a virtue everyone is blessed to have.

That's not what I said at all...I don't act like an ***hole to random people online, I just don't care if the person ends up hating me or not cause in the end you can't please everyone in life. Nice job basically telling me and Ze Diglett that we are bad people just because or our opinion on playing against some random people online you don't care about. This goes beyond smash, this is the real world, and it isn't all just sunshine and rainbows.

 

[al3jo]

So not actively trying to piss off my opponent and/or using my character's moves to take advantage of my opponent's habits is making FG is a worse place?
Heheh... right... by that logic, competitive Smash is the most disrespectful, childish thing in the galaxy.

That's not what I said at all...I don't act like an ***hole to random people online, I just don't care if the person ends up hating me or not cause in the end you can't please everyone in life. Nice job basically telling me and Ze Diglett that we are bad people just because or our opinion on playing against some random people online you don't care about. This goes beyond smash, this is the real world, and it isn't all just sunshine and rainbows.

guys, i understan both points of view.
look you two guys are great in smash and that is quite an impeesive feat, i respect you for that (actually i would like to learn to play like that), and yes i understand your point you guys play to win, you are skilled and that mean you will use your skill to win, but the point here is knowing when is wise to hold back, you guys know there's people who are just not as good as you are, but they still want to have fun playing online, the fact that you play competitively doesn't mean your oponent does to, so that's what i think this thread is here for, if your oponent wants to have fun, well it would be wise to have fun with them, is okay, in the end you will win because of your superior skill compared to the one of your oponent but at least let them have a bit of fun and try to have it too before finishing them off, some people just want to have fun playing 1v1, my point is:
doesn't matter how good you are, if your oponent doesn't play that well he probably just wants to have fun so have fun with him and then finish them.
if your oponent is bad there is no need to play it out like if it was an EVO or MLG match, you will still win.

By the way, you guys seem to be two great players, so what do you guys say about helping a rookie to get better at the game?

 

[Fatmanonice]

Just depressing. People like you are what makes online play a toxic environment for others. The problem isn't even the projectile spamming, but your extremely ****ty, entitled and childish attitude.

This is uncalled for, especially since nothing what Ze Digglett said was "entitled and childish." He's describing playing to win. If you can't get past a strategy of theirs, it's your fault. Players shouldn't have to handicap themselves so that you feel better about yourself. That's not how anything competitive works.