Social PK Love - Lucas Social Thread: “Inside the mailbox was absolutely nothing”

[Berni_Alt]

The best way to find out how to use a move is to use it in every situation and see how your opponents tend to respond. If you can't see any obvious way to use it safely, don't try to. Any unsafe move can be safe if you understand what it does to your opponent mentally.

To put it another way, Freeze is big and obvious and dangerous to your opponent, and they know it, and they can see it coming. Nobody is going to just let themselves get hit by it: they'll shield it, or they'll airdodge, or they'll try to run away from it (typically towards you). Subsequently, Freeze does a lot of shield damage, explodes at your discretion, and has godlike endlag.

Use it at low percentages out of a down throw and see what I mean.

ok thx ill try to use it in more situations to see what happen and what ill think about it.

 

[Kodystri]

Congrats you two! I bet the next time you will get even further!

Thank you!

 

[MrWhYYZ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i6-mldGJog

So this is a thing.
For the people who haven't seen it yet in boils down to this: If you hit your opponent with a move that sends your opponent vertically and they have 100% or more after the hit, they have a 25% chance of spinning towards the stage. During this spinning state you CANNOT TECH!

Seeing as we have Up-smash I've done some testing.

On mario hitting with sour-fair, sour B-air and Z-air does trigger this state but Mario can always jump. Tested it on heavyweights as well but no dice.
Hitting sour-f-tilt triggers this state but it doesn't combo into Up-smash directly. I wasn't able to jab-lock with D-tilt but sweet spot dash attack is a true combo and can kill near the ledge.
Hitting only the last hit of D-air can trigger this state and will true combo into up-smash. Hitting more than just the last hit can trigger this state as well however, they instantly get bounced back up without that much lag making it kinda pointless.


And that's it really, it isn't that useful for us unfortunately. Having D-air into guaranteed up-smash 25% of the time is fun i guess?

 

[Berni_Alt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i6-mldGJog

So this is a thing.
For the people who haven't seen it yet in boils down to this: If you hit your opponent with a move that sends your opponent vertically and they have 100% or more after the hit, they have a 25% chance of spinning towards the stage. During this spinning state you CANNOT TECH!

Seeing as we have Up-smash I've done some testing.

On mario hitting with sour-fair, sour B-air and Z-air does trigger this state but Mario can always jump. Tested it on heavyweights as well but no dice.
Hitting sour-f-tilt triggers this state but it doesn't combo into Up-smash directly. I wasn't able to jab-lock with D-tilt but sweet spot dash attack is a true combo and can kill near the ledge.
Hitting only the last hit of D-air can trigger this state and will true combo into up-smash. Hitting more than just the last hit can trigger this state as well however, they instantly get bounced back up without that much lag making it kinda pointless.


And that's it really, it isn't that useful for us unfortunately. Having D-air into guaranteed up-smash 25% of the time is fun i guess?

yeah i saw it too yesterday, tried some things too but not a thing i could find, and fishing for 25% is not that good, i would rather go for down throw up air.

 

[Mekos]

What's good everyone! Hope is well!

My Quick Update
Good news! I just leveled up last Sunday! I know feel comfortable in this game. Before I was relying solely on basic smash fundamentals.

Sorry I've slowed down with YT vids. Now that my health is returning I am back at work (an 8 to 5). I do stream every Thursday at 8pm EST time tho. We lately have been talking about Lucas matchups and having a lot of fun with viewer battles. Come hang if you time. Last week we talked about the shiek, sonic, and diddy matchup. Tomorrow we are talking about the Rosa, Bayo, and Marth matchup.

Not going to EVO anymore but I'm still going to Smash Con. If any of you all are going to EVO I will be cheering for u!

 

[Berni_Alt]

What's good everyone! Hope is well!

My Quick Update
Good news! I just leveled up last Sunday! I know feel comfortable in this game. Before I was relying solely on basic smash fundamentals.

Sorry I've slowed down with YT vids. Now that my health is returning I am back at work (an 8 to 5). I do stream every Thursday at 8pm EST time tho. We lately have been talking about Lucas matchups and having a lot of fun with viewer battles. Come hang if you time. Last week we talked about the shiek, sonic, and diddy matchup. Tomorrow we are talking about the Rosa, Bayo, and Marth matchup.

Not going to EVO anymore but I'm still going to Smash Con. If any of you all are going to EVO I will be cheering for u!

Can you tell me how you leveled up, i dont understand what you mean.

 

[Lochy]

Can you tell me how you leveled up, i dont understand what you mean.

I think he means that he is now better because he mentally feels he is better at the game now then he was before. He passed his plateau.

 

[Berni_Alt]

I think he means that he is now better because he mentally feels he is better at the game now then he was before. He passed his plateau.

a damn, i think i leveled up lately too, i have been playing better too.

 

[Lochy]

I feel like I have been playing better lately aswell. But I wanna go back to tourney soon to test if I am right.

 

[Berni_Alt]

I feel like I have been playing better lately aswell. But I wanna go back to tourney soon to test if I am right.

well good luck, hope that youll do good at a tourney.

 

[Mekos]

Yea, I can't wait to test my new powers at a tourney as well.

I didn't understand the game before Berni, and now I do!

 

[Berni_Alt]

Yea, I can't wait to test my new powers at a tourney as well.

I didn't understand the game before Berni, and now I do!

well good luck for you too in tourney, lets see how you will place at Smash Con.

 

[Mekos]

Thanks!

Did the japanese lucas enter Evo? If so, how did he do?

 

[Berni_Alt]

Thanks!

Did the japanese lucas enter Evo? If so, how did he do?

i dont know about the lucas player but the japanese megaman got second wich is pretty good imo.

 

[frozentreasure]

Does anyone else abuse up smash, or is it just me? And yes, "abuse" is the correct word. I played KuroganeHammer over the weekend. He seemed surprised and, shortly afterwards, annoyed at the invincible startup, and how many times I ate his moves with it.

I also got to play and talk with Foxy (Fox is Openly Deceptive). He mentioned he'd look into the status of mods on this board after looking at it and confirming that he would have deleted like 90% of the threads that have been made here.

Also also, Foxy is as much of a lab monster as he seems. He looked at the numbers on Lucas' frame data and correctly theorised aerial options for him that I hadn't thought of or seen from other players at all without either of us needing to actually test them in-game. Absolute beast.

 

[Luco]

I've actually spent quite some time thinking about using the invincibility on Usmash to punish stuff more - it's just because moves rarely come along that aren't too fast to be reacted to with said timed invincibility you have to predict it so I've been struggling to find a good use for it. I mis-input Usmash a lot though and I love the move in general.

 

[frozentreasure]

The secret is to not try to predict anything, use it with wild abandon in friendlies for a week, get punished hard, and develop the beginnings of an instinct for it. If you eat a grab with it, you will especially annoy your opponent.

 

[MrWhYYZ]

I've started abusing Up-smash for multihitting moves. Especially when I notice people always finishing jabs. Nothing says:" I'm better than you, go home!" more than JCUp-smashing through a jab 3.

He looked at the numbers on Lucas' frame data and correctly theorised aerial options for him that I hadn't thought of or seen from other players at all without either of us needing to actually test them in-game. Absolute beast.

Sooooo, what are those aerial options?

 

[Shollyboster]

I've started abusing Up-smash for multihitting moves. Especially when I notice people always finishing jabs. Nothing says:" I'm better than you, go home!" more than JCUp-smashing through a jab 3.



Sooooo, what are those aerial options?

Bumping for the aeriel options

 

[Shollyboster]

yeah i saw it too yesterday, tried some things too but not a thing i could find, and fishing for 25% is not that good, i would rather go for down throw up air.

"Down throw up air" They call that the "DEAD MOM"

 

[Berni_Alt]

"Down throw up air" They call that the "DEAD MOM"

well actually if you do down air above 100% and you get the lucky 25% you can do Fsmash for a kill, it has to be around an edge though.

 

[Berni_Alt]

"Down throw up air" They call that the "DEAD MOM"

also dead mom, who came up with that we should get a cooler name like PKDIE or something like that i dont know is there a forum for this.

 

[Shollyboster]

It came from Smash at Xanadu. Some dude said it, it might have been TK Breezy.

 

[Shollyboster]

well actually if you do down air above 100% and you get the lucky 25% you can do Fsmash for a kill, it has to be around an edge though.

Getting the meteor on the dair is already super unreliable. Not worth it.

 

[Shollyboster]

PKDIE or something

That was the best you could come up with? No offense, of course.

 

[frozentreasure]

You can quote multiple posts at once.

 

[Shollyboster]

You can quote multiple posts at once.

Sorry about that. Found that out wayyyyyy too late. I'm new to posting. I've been lurking for years but only today did I finally get around to making an account.

 

[Berni_Alt]

That was the best you could come up with? No offense, of course.

i just made something up, but Dead mom is not really a good name either imo.

 

[k-ta]

I don't care about what anyone says
Dead Mom is best name BECAUSE it's the worst

 

[Luco]

It's the best cringe name.

 

[Mekos]

New video up guys!

Lucas and Shulk best Smash 4 Doubles team!? + Short Mekos Update!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGSgK3GANnQ

 

[Berni_Alt]

I dont know about Shulk, but i did the Lucas Pikachu team with a friend of mine at a local tourney and we got second, so i was pretty happy about that.

 

[A Polar Bear]

I wish D-smash could still connect with all 3 hits. I miss being able to do 50+ damage to guys stuck under me as I move along the Smashville platform

 

[Login_Sinker]

Wow wee. I haven't been in here in forever. Forums still semi-dead?

 

[Luco]

Wow wee. I haven't been in here in forever. Forums still semi-dead?

Character boards were killed in part by Discord. It's a bit of a shame, but the rest of the board is still active and thriving enough so that it's not really noticable outside of here.

 

[Berni_Alt]

Character boards were killed in part by Discord. It's a bit of a shame, but the rest of the board is still active and thriving enough so that it's not really noticable outside of here.

Discord?

 

[Luco]

Discord?

Basically the new skype. Works as an app or you can just have it on browser. Every character board has one now. Happy to send you the link to the Lucas Discord if you so desire (the links expire after some time so make sure to click it once you see it. ).

It's ridiculously active there, which is why it's semi-dead here.

 

[Berni_Alt]

Basically the new skype. Works as an app or you can just have it on browser. Every character board has one now. Happy to send you the link to the Lucas Discord if you so desire (the links expire after some time so make sure to click it once you see it. ).

It's ridiculously active there, which is why it's semi-dead here.

ok but i dont see a link.

 

[Luco]

ok but i dont see a link.

Here you go:

https://discord.gg/jZp6s

 

[Berni_Alt]

ive got something good for you people in a few days, look at the character forum in a few days and youll see, it maybe already exists on the discord but i dont know.