TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
We have a lot of similar moves to MK but we're just a few frames slower, not all of our moves are transcendent, and he have projectiles
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Pika Q&A/FAQ Thread: Ask a Quick Question, Get a Quick Answer!
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TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
Well it's not like I was planning on clanking with him
![[FBC] ESAM](/data/avatars/l/92/92614.jpg?1365783210){kind=avatar}
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
First off, it's transcendent, not transient.
Second off, yes it is still 0. After I played Anti at SKTAR i felt he was too good at the MU and I couldn't really touch him (He 2 stocked me on FD, what). However, I got better at the MU and then went completely even with him at Apex in Pika/MK and I think he's the best MK at the MU, so that kinda shows, to me, that it's even.
Second off, yes it is still 0. After I played Anti at SKTAR i felt he was too good at the MU and I couldn't really touch him (He 2 stocked me on FD, what). However, I got better at the MU and then went completely even with him at Apex in Pika/MK and I think he's the best MK at the MU, so that kinda shows, to me, that it's even.
TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
ANTi is just so freaking godlike at that MU. Let me see if I can pull up that text from Gunner about this very subject.So it was like player skill getting in the way of determining character skill? That was such a good showing at Apex, I was watching it live cheering you on dude! My parents thought I was getting mad about something when I got hype from the QAC lock. You've come a long way from Pound V. Are ya'll going to MM at SKTAR if you don't see him in bracket.
so was it you and Cassio who pretty much decided that MK vs pika is even for the new MU chart?
Angiance
Smash Lord
No way it's perfectly even, it's at least SLIGHTLY in MK's favor, or do you forget how lightning quick his moves are to ours? His D-Tilt has absolutely ridiculous range, and is out on frame 3; his N-Air is basically and upgraded version of ours, having more range/damage and far less landing/aerial lag, and holy crap, let's not even talk about his super good U-Air.
We have trouble killing, MK doesn't; sure, we have T-Jolt, but he has quickness, range, and KO moves over us
To say it's perfectly even is absurd, dude
We have trouble killing, MK doesn't; sure, we have T-Jolt, but he has quickness, range, and KO moves over us
To say it's perfectly even is absurd, dude
TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
Sigh, who wants to correct him this time? @Holden you get your butt in this discusion!
Do I need to remind you who has been playing this game competitively since 08? Your words sound great but they have no experience to back it up; ESAM gave us examples like when he fought ANTi. Are you sure you want to argue with the best Pikachu that has ever been in the scene?
Do I need to remind you who has been playing this game competitively since 08? Your words sound great but they have no experience to back it up; ESAM gave us examples like when he fought ANTi. Are you sure you want to argue with the best Pikachu that has ever been in the scene?
Djent
Smash Champion
ESAM, you're like 1-5 against Mew2King. How can you say Anti is the best at the matchup when he hasn't proven himself to the same degree?
TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
I'm pretty sure M2K once said himself that the MU is even
Djent
Smash Champion
M2K's perception of matchup ratios has historically been horrible (Snake, Diddy, Oli were supposedly even. That doesn't quite put Pika in good company.) - yet when it comes to playing them, he's way better than he gets credit for.
Mew2king overcomes so many odds. his mind is his own enemy. its better to just watch what he does
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My 2 cents on MK vs Pika being even. It boils down to 1 of 2 things regarding how top players perform. Its as simple as finding out what the top player does best at.
Its either;
1. They know the character they're fighting better
2. They know the opponent they're fighting better
If Esam says Anti is/was better at the MU at one point, its possible Anti knew either his opponents playstyle and countered it better. Or just knew pikachu the character better.
But does that really make the MU even? I'd argue it all comes down to who can learn the player faster. Every top player and every one playing smash has habbits. Find them, find holes and exploits in those habits win you the match. To a degree, yes knowing the character. But that comes with practice, and playing said match up. Its like taking a crash course review before the exam, you study the oddities of the match and when you have to take the test your more likely to succeed because you're more likely to have found a common exploit in a character or play style in practicing.
Its either;
1. They know the character they're fighting better
2. They know the opponent they're fighting better
If Esam says Anti is/was better at the MU at one point, its possible Anti knew either his opponents playstyle and countered it better. Or just knew pikachu the character better.
But does that really make the MU even? I'd argue it all comes down to who can learn the player faster. Every top player and every one playing smash has habbits. Find them, find holes and exploits in those habits win you the match. To a degree, yes knowing the character. But that comes with practice, and playing said match up. Its like taking a crash course review before the exam, you study the oddities of the match and when you have to take the test your more likely to succeed because you're more likely to have found a common exploit in a character or play style in practicing.
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
Actually, y'know what? WHO ****ING GIVES A ****
IF YOU DON'T THINK THE GOD DAMN MATCHUP IS EVEN THEN BE THAT WAY
IF YOU THINK THE GOD DAMN MATCHUP IS EVEN THEN BE THAT WAY
IF YOU ****ING PEOPLE ASK FOR A GOD DAMN OPINION I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH A 17 PAGE ARGUMENT FOR THE 11TH GOD DAMN TIME
**** YOU
*exhales*
Seriously, it's REALLY aggravating having to explain myself OVER and OVER when you can pretty much go into any god damn thread where the discussion is and I answer it. If you are small-minded to the point where you think Range > Pikachu, it's your loss and you will NEVER overcome that hurdle and have fun playing against almost any character with disjoints. Have fun being bad.
If people were more open-minded about this discussion I wouldn't mind having it but every time it devolves into OMG HE HAS A SWORD AND TORNADO. WELL GUESS WHAT ASSHOLES?!? Tornado does like 10 and his sword really isn't THAT good. It's punishable, guys. We do SO much damage to him and have guaranteed combos that bring MK to ridiculous % and CAN ALSO KILL HIM. HOW 'BOUT DAT ****?!?
****.
Oh, and spoilers. Nobody ACTUALLY gives a **** what ****ing no-name Pikachus have to say about the MU. Hell, people barely care what some of the best non-ESAM pikachus have to say about the MU. The only Pikachus that actually have respect in this community are myself and Z. SO please, when you go "Well in my clearly uneducated opinion I believe this" it doesn't actually matter.
#IncomingInfraction
Edit: For clarification, this is MOSTLY at Bell/Angiance. I'm REALLY tired of arguing with you considering you have NO experience outside of your neighborhood and you have never been to a tournament or even INTERACTED with high level players outside of the internet. So please...either go to a tournament or stop acting like you know what is best/correct in situations because you don't and you won't until you actually have experience. #Shots****ingFired
IF YOU DON'T THINK THE GOD DAMN MATCHUP IS EVEN THEN BE THAT WAY
IF YOU THINK THE GOD DAMN MATCHUP IS EVEN THEN BE THAT WAY
IF YOU ****ING PEOPLE ASK FOR A GOD DAMN OPINION I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH A 17 PAGE ARGUMENT FOR THE 11TH GOD DAMN TIME
**** YOU
*exhales*
Seriously, it's REALLY aggravating having to explain myself OVER and OVER when you can pretty much go into any god damn thread where the discussion is and I answer it. If you are small-minded to the point where you think Range > Pikachu, it's your loss and you will NEVER overcome that hurdle and have fun playing against almost any character with disjoints. Have fun being bad.
If people were more open-minded about this discussion I wouldn't mind having it but every time it devolves into OMG HE HAS A SWORD AND TORNADO. WELL GUESS WHAT ASSHOLES?!? Tornado does like 10 and his sword really isn't THAT good. It's punishable, guys. We do SO much damage to him and have guaranteed combos that bring MK to ridiculous % and CAN ALSO KILL HIM. HOW 'BOUT DAT ****?!?
****.
Oh, and spoilers. Nobody ACTUALLY gives a **** what ****ing no-name Pikachus have to say about the MU. Hell, people barely care what some of the best non-ESAM pikachus have to say about the MU. The only Pikachus that actually have respect in this community are myself and Z. SO please, when you go "Well in my clearly uneducated opinion I believe this" it doesn't actually matter.
#IncomingInfraction
Edit: For clarification, this is MOSTLY at Bell/Angiance. I'm REALLY tired of arguing with you considering you have NO experience outside of your neighborhood and you have never been to a tournament or even INTERACTED with high level players outside of the internet. So please...either go to a tournament or stop acting like you know what is best/correct in situations because you don't and you won't until you actually have experience. #Shots****ingFired
Pretty much every set we play recently is 2-1 or 3-2 last hit last stock or something and I'll just make the mistake first. His tornadoes are godlike and I personally have a hard time dealing with it considering Seibrik doesn't use them that often. If I was better at dealing with nado i would definitely beat him
It was everybody on the Pikachu panel ultimately agreeing and then everybody on the MK panel agreeing. We didn't even have a discussion IIRC.
TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! Did I not say it was a bad idea? This guy knows what he's talking about! Sorry/not sorry dude but you had that coming when you keep arguing for the sake of arguing and with no humility or credibility behind it.
......Soooooo...football season is in 40 days... How about those Dolphins?
Lol bfrt: I can never find Z on YouTube. I don't get very clear results when I type in "Pikachu Z" or "brawl Z". And that's a shame because from hat I've heard he's pretty good.
......Soooooo...football season is in 40 days... How about those Dolphins?
Lol bfrt: I can never find Z on YouTube. I don't get very clear results when I type in "Pikachu Z" or "brawl Z". And that's a shame because from hat I've heard he's pretty good.
HoldeN HoT FiyA
Smash Apprentice
MU is even. We get a free %55~ with a grab at low damage. You get in you win, you get zoned you lose.
TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
Angiance
Smash Lord
Hey man, I'm just giving my two cents, I'm sorry if it offends you.
TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
Look man, we're not deliberately trying to dog on you here. It's just really hard to make progress and have discussions when you're always bringing up stuff about stuff that would obviously never work (like when you said fair combos into Nair). And when you're constantly going against ESAM; the BEST Pikachu in the world who has been to countless tournaments, has faced all the top players (and MKs since that was the discussion) like ANTi, Nairo, M2K, and even some Japanese MKs like Rain. Do you not stop and think,"Well I've never been in a tournament and I think this. But ESAM has more experience than me and Ramsaur will ever have, maybe he is actually right since he's been in this situation we're talking about." Instead you kept arguing and getting on our nerves with your suggestions that defiantly were wrong. My friend Mac Colvin said it like this [we were talking about AIA stuff, like Pow Wows and stuff.] "There's no right way to do it. But there defiantly is a wrong way." You kept saying the wrong things and kept arguing that you were right with NO experience to back it up. How are you supposed to expect us to get on what you're saying if you have nothing to back it up, and you never took a step back and though "Mabye I'M the one that's wrong here." There's no getting around it, you've lost all of your credibility and to earn it back I'd like to see you go to a tournament. Once you get some experience behind you then we'll start acknowledging the things you're saying. But for now, just stop arguing man!
Angiance
Smash Lord
Yeah, you're right
TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
Thank you. Now let's move on. You need help looking for a tournament?
Angiance
Smash Lord
Dude, I'm telling you there are none in Knox, TN
TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
What you need to do is go to the tournament thread, press CTRL+F and put in "TN" or any other state near you. Search for some very month or so. Then (as much as I hate the website) go to allisbrawl and look for people in your area. Meet people in your area, go play them. And look for tournaments. I thought my state was barren until I found this http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...onthly-10-july-20th-2013-mandeville-la.53259/ If none of that exists. Then start your own. You'll be known as the person who founded the competitive scene in Tennessee
Angiance
Smash Lord
Give me a link to the tourney thread
Btw, F-Air > N-Air IS a string, as I said
String = may hit, but can be avoided
Combo = 100% hit ratio, as in F-Throw > U-Smash on Bowser
Btw, F-Air > N-Air IS a string, as I said
String = may hit, but can be avoided
Combo = 100% hit ratio, as in F-Throw > U-Smash on Bowser
TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
Angiance
Smash Lord
As I said, no tournies-but don't worry about it
HoldeN HoT FiyA
Smash Apprentice
F-air strings into N-air if like, your opponent has a heart attack and drops the controller
Angiance
Smash Lord
FF F-Air > N-Air; Rising F-Air > N-Air, given a foe is on one of the lower Battlefield platforms. Give it a shot
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
Try here: http://smashboards.com/threads/tennessee-thread-locator-friend-codes.83917/
I'm sure there's someone from Knoxville that hosts smashfests.
I'm sure there's someone from Knoxville that hosts smashfests.
TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
Yes, I know the difference between strings and combos.
It may work on CPUs but almost anyone would see through that.
It may work on CPUs but almost anyone would see through that.
HoldeN HoT FiyA
Smash Apprentice
I'm not gonna try it out, FF F-air > N-Air is easily shieldable you'd be better off D-smash/grab/U-Tilting after a FF F-air.
And you said F-air strings into N-air, not FF F-air strings into N-air which strings into a rising F-air into a N-air on a lower Battlefield platform. Be more specific next time instead of just saying F-air strings into N-air, because it doesn't
And you said F-air strings into N-air, not FF F-air strings into N-air which strings into a rising F-air into a N-air on a lower Battlefield platform. Be more specific next time instead of just saying F-air strings into N-air, because it doesn't
TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
Man where is Gunner? That ***** surely must have something to say.
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
Damn, you guys are mean. And what's wrong with fair > nair? It works just as good as fair > anything else.
Fiya - How are you gonna say fair > nair is easily shieldable and then suggest fair > utilt? Utilt comes out just as fast as nair and that's if you're close enough to hit with the back part.
Fiya - How are you gonna say fair > nair is easily shieldable and then suggest fair > utilt? Utilt comes out just as fast as nair and that's if you're close enough to hit with the back part.
TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
FallingFair>Utilt works all the time for me unless the person knows the Pika MU which is rare.
Angiance
Smash Lord
That was two different strings seperated by a semi-colon ( ; )
TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
Just tried it. Sent Holden a video of it. Didn't work. Hey Holden, did I two stock you in bracket with my MK?
HoldeN HoT FiyA
Smash Apprentice
Not sure, don't remember much from the bracket matches Ram.
And Bunz, I would think N-air would take longer to come out after a FF F-air than U-tilt because you have to input the jump before the N-air, whereas you can just immediately U-tilt.
And Bunz, I would think N-air would take longer to come out after a FF F-air than U-tilt because you have to input the jump before the N-air, whereas you can just immediately U-tilt.
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
Jump nair and utilt both come out on frame 7.
Angiance
Smash Lord
SH/FH N-Air is out on frame 7, like U-Tilt
TxB | Ramsaur
Smash Ace
Yeah Holden this isn't 64 where we can cancel all of the landing lag. You either take the landing lag or auto cancel it. Even then you're still taking like 5 frames of standard landing. But nevertheless, Utilt still comes out faster after FF Fair than Nair. The only time I could string Nair after fair is if I read DI and my opponent is to stupid to react fast enough and I use my second jump to Nair. Damn it, stop arguing. ESAM just went off on you for this. Holden that's Kprime not "bunz" lol. Kprime, you've played Gunner right?
Angiance
Smash Lord
............................................................................Okay then