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CRASHiC

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Weather we've hit peak oil or weather we are reaching peak oil in the future, the issue is always relvant and one of the most importance crisis of modern United States living. One potential solution that came from an unsurprising source, from an American Oil man himself is one that combines natural energy sources abundant in the United States with our own version of fossil fuels. Is this the answer america needs to our potential energy crises?

One of the major elements of the Perkins plan is Natural Gas, used primarily for transportation. When you consider the vast majority of our patrolieum use is consumed by are various forms of transportation, disproportionate even, its a good place to shoot down our oil dependence.


However, there are some issues with this. In replace of diesel, 60% fuel efficiency is found.
http://www.p2pays.org/ref/38/37568.pdf
It is possible that the cleaner burning energy of Natural Gas is offset by this increased production.

The other issue is of course converstion over to Natural Gas, which would require heavy American subsides. Consider that only 0.017% of all transportation vehicles within the United States run on Common Natural Gas. Our history doesn't bode to well for us either. Abandoned plans to get us off of patrolmen based transportation include:
Energy Policy and Conservation Act of 1975
Alternative Motor Fuels Act of 1988
EPAct of 1992
Energy Policy Act of 2005
The question is, has this round proven bad enough that we could accomplish what we've been trying to achieve for decades?

Of course, I by no means that this is impossible. Many countries already run on Natural gas. I think if you combined this approach with lowering America's dependence on personal transportation we could see massive improvement in affordable, long lasting reliable energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_natural_gas#South_Asia

Another major element to his plan is to run major electricity by wind power, and as he is correct, wind power does indeed have a powerful oppurtunity within the States.


The most intestesting thing about this is that much of the wind farms would be planted in traditional farm land, which is ideal for the States. A wind farm can cover the size of New York city, while in actuallity only taking up 1/2 an acre of land in its use, the ground below can be still be used for farming or other uses. Another advantage is off shore wind farms.
http://www.awea.org/pubs/factsheets/WindyLandownersFS.pdf

On of the problems is efficiency. Currently, wind power runs at only 40-59 percent efficiency, however, new, more efficient designs are rapidly being developed as the world wide demand is rapidly increasing.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6790007.html
The cost is also currently high, but as our wind farms and wind turbine efficiency increase, the price of wind based power will fall.

Again, as with CNG cars, the alloted time for this transition to wind power will take quite some time, and our entire energy grid would have to be moved. Of course, this isn't an entire con, as it provides America with a healthy blue collar job, and helps distribute wealth to currently underdeveloped parts of the nation.


These are the main two elements of the Pickens Plans, though there are others such as solar. Other opponents claim that this is NOT for any environmental good, but for his pure economic gain, and I respond, what is wrong with that? Sure, Pickens has a lot to gain in this, but so does a lot of America. Yes, this isn't a completely clean energy source, however we don't have time to consider such things. We need to address America's growing energy problem to help put food on the table. This does provide some relief to the environment, but the main point is America's economic security.
 

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While the federal government may exempt gas and oil companies, local governments have monitors and other safety measures up in order to prevent any such caterophies. Gas leaks can be fixed, water can be uncontaminated, and water being contaminated is by no means an irreversible and unavoidable thing. Yes, we should regulate it more heavily at the federal level, but no, we should not rule out Natural Gas based on this hazard alone. I saw a water contamination myself when I lived in Cape Coral Florida, and it didn't take but 9 days for it to fix and the gas to be taken out of the water supply, however unfortunitly there aren't many local governments that have such systems set up.
 

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I see solar isn't a major part of the Perkins plan. I believe it should be. I think the plan doesn't focus enough on renewables and the electric car. Let me start with solar.

If the area of one of these blue disks were filled with solar cells, the power generated would be more than enough to meet our total primary energy needs:



This assumes the efficiency (sunlight to electricity) of solar cells is 8%, which is actually a conservative estimate. Solar cells actually on average have an efficiency of around 12-18%. This should rise rather soon, as research laboratories have managed to produce solar cells that have an efficiency of around 40%, this is likely to rise in the near future as technology gets better.



Just to recap the advantages of solar power; it's renewable, it's abundant, it doesn't produce any pollution during use, and it has enormous room for improvement.

Sure, solar power is expensive at the moment but it will decrease in price as the industry gets larger, due to increasing demand.

This is probably the main criticism I have of this plan. It should focus more on renewables as opposed to fossil fuels. Natural gas production is likely to peak, like every other fossil fuel, so using it as a substitute for oil can only last for so long.

Now, the main reason oil is used in abundance, is that it makes excellent transport fuel and replacing it with renewables or any other form of non-portable fuel will be extremely difficult. To deal with this, I invoke the electric car.

Electric cars are more efficient than petrol cars, with engine efficiencies of around 80% as opposed to petrol Internal Combustion engines which have an efficiency of around 15%. The system as a whole for the electric car is about 20% efficient. This includes power generation at the power plant, at the grid and charging the battery etc. This is better than the efficiency of the internal combustion engine by itself, never mind the system that transports and drills the oil, to put it into the petrol tank.

The only real issue with electric cars is that they've got a shorter range than a petrol car. This can be remedied through battery swapping stations, and the problem will become smaller as battery technology advances.

The real solution to this issue should lie with electric cars and renewable energy.
 

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Off-topic, but I saw this movie at Sundance, and it was fantastic.
I think it's pretty on-topic, considering that a major part of Picken's Plan involves natural gas. Can you share your thoughts about the movie?
 
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Well, sure.

The movie opens with a theatre manager / owner reading a letter. It's a proposition - a gas company as offered to pay him six figures to lease his property to allow gas wells to be installed on site. He realizes the possibilities behind accepting, what it could do for his income, and he weighs it. He thinks about it, and instead of receiving a boatload of cash for doing nothing, he decides to go investigate. Something doesn't seem right.

What he finds is really shocking: the process that the natural gas companies use is called hydraulic fracturing, or "frakking". This is basically a method of extracting gas by shooting high pressure water+chemical compound into the earth. This mixture is proprietary, and the chemicals are not known as to what is in them. They are the "secret sauce" of the natural gas world.

He comes across families, towns, counties that have been effectively ruined by these wells; some states and areas having an enormous concentration. It's deceptive; the gas companies realize the best places to drill are often very poor towns. The townspeople are gladly willing to sign over their land without realizing the repercussions. The wells leak, they burst, and the chemicals seap into the water supplies. That means gas, too. He runs into countless flammable faucets. He analyzes the liquids in a lab, and finds they are poisonous. No ****, too - the towns report higher cancer rates, birth defects, hair loss, pet deaths, and mental health issues. This is all directly related to frakking.

The gas underneath the States is not a viable option. Not when you ruin ecosystems.

Edit - man, the trailer explained all of this. Geez :p

edit 2 - Right, my thoughts...well, this is starting to happen more and more throughout the world. It needs to be stopped. We need to stop delaying peak oil.
 
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Definitely not enough focus on renewable. There's not really a solution for the problem until we've switched to 100% renewable energy-all fossil fuels run out sooner or later. But other people have covered that... Not really much to say about the topic.
 

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Well, sure.

The movie opens with a theatre manager / owner reading a letter. It's a proposition - a gas company as offered to pay him six figures to lease his property to allow gas wells to be installed on site. He realizes the possibilities behind accepting, what it could do for his income, and he weighs it. He thinks about it, and instead of receiving a boatload of cash for doing nothing, he decides to go investigate. Something doesn't seem right.

What he finds is really shocking: the process that the natural gas companies use is called hydraulic fracturing, or "frakking". This is basically a method of extracting gas by shooting high pressure water+chemical compound into the earth. This mixture is proprietary, and the chemicals are not known as to what is in them. They are the "secret sauce" of the natural gas world.

He comes across families, towns, counties that have been effectively ruined by these wells; some states and areas having an enormous concentration. It's deceptive; the gas companies realize the best places to drill are often very poor towns. The townspeople are gladly willing to sign over their land without realizing the repercussions. The wells leak, they burst, and the chemicals seap into the water supplies. That means gas, too. He runs into countless flammable faucets. He analyzes the liquids in a lab, and finds they are poisonous. No ****, too - the towns report higher cancer rates, birth defects, hair loss, pet deaths, and mental health issues. This is all directly related to frakking.

The gas underneath the States is not a viable option. Not when you ruin ecosystems.

Edit - man, the trailer explained all of this. Geez :p

edit 2 - Right, my thoughts...well, this is starting to happen more and more throughout the world. It needs to be stopped. We need to stop delaying peak oil.
Someone else watched this too? Awesome. :bigthumbu

Can we really not get some more wind energy in the states? Solar too, you would think that these would be taking off by now.

But unfortunately not.

Good thing GA doesn't have to worry about frakking (@ least not my Piedmont region.)
 
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Yeah, I saw it back in January at Sundance. It was sweet. One of my faves at the fest, and I saw like 25 movies... (not trying to downplay the movie's importance)
 

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Someone else watched this too? Awesome. :bigthumbu

Can we really not get some more wind energy in the states? Solar too, you would think that these would be taking off by now.

But unfortunately not.

Good thing GA doesn't have to worry about frakking (@ least not my Piedmont region.)
Glad to see everyone agreeing with my argument regarding solar power, it really needs to get off the ground. Electric cars to would be good as well, even by themselves without renewables, they're very good.
 
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