IkeChromMarth
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Phoenix Wright would be cool, I'd love to see him in smash! :D
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you thinking a good moveset doesn't matter that much. that's the smash devteam's job!Hey guys. A little off topic, but
Just picked up the first Ace Attorney game on a whim. I was reading through an old Gameinformer, and I saw that Phoenix Wright made a I think top 50 characters in video games or something. I'll go get the real title if anyone's interested, because I'm probably wrong about that. x]
Anyway considering I've played pretty much every game that had a character on that list in it, except for a couple besides Ace Attorney. I grabbed a copy of the first. I was also interested in it, because I'm a huge fan of a lot of Capcom IP's/games.
I just beat the second case, and I have to say, I'm totally floored. This game is amazing! I never thought nailing people with accusations and spotting discrepancies in their testimonies could give me the same adrenaline rush I used to get by playing Dark Souls and the like. I don't even know why this game makes me so hype. It's just freaking amazing. Maybe it's the great music.
Dunno about him being in Smash, even though he made a pretty nice debut in MVC. (Never mind that he was just about the worst character in the game) I just can't figure out a moveset for him. I generally only support characters based on how unique I think their movesets would be (the exception being wolf), and no matter how I slice it in my mind I can't figure out anything good for him.
The title's outdated. It's referring to the announcement last year that Capcom would no longer block takeover attempts. At the time, the internet was going mad with speculation over potential buyers, despite the fact that the announcement wasn't actually "Capcom is for sale" (and no such takeover has happened yet).Whats with the title? Is it implying Capcom is for sale or am i missing something?
Fair enough, fair enough. I still really only like supporting characters who would bring a ton to the table in terms of playstyle and movesets, but I have to admit that using attacks to build up Evidence and then unleashing it all on a fighter would be pretty interesting. Maybe a little gimmicky, though. D,x If he were to make it in, I'd love for him to be mid to high tier, I feel like all DLC should have a place in competitive.you thinking a good moveset doesn't matter that much. that's the smash devteam's job!
You had me at the side smash being a finger point.Hey! A Phoenix Wright support thread! Count me in!
Recently, I have played the original trilogy and I am going through Duel Destinies. I really love the trilogy and the characters that are in them, especially Phoenix. In fact, I bought UMvC3 just to play as him and he didn't disappoint... he's my best character to be honest.
Anyways, I made a moveset for him and a lot of it is inspired by UMvC3, but it has a few nods in there.
Speed: Phoenix is faster than some characters like Ganondorf and Robin. So, he is pretty slow.
Air Speed: Phoenix will have amazing air speed. Something near Wario's air speed.
The reasoning for the ground speed is that trials take a while to do and complete and we don't see Phoenix run a lot. His great air mobility mainly comes from the speed lines from the series where you quickly turn things around.
Weight: Mostly medium weight, but on the lighter side.
Neutral Combo: First he brings out some paper with his right hand, then he hits again with his left hand in confusion, and the last hit is a lightbulb. It's basically something like Medium -> Heavy -> Heavy in Trial Mode
Forward Tilt: Paperwork: He does the down, down right, and right Paperwork variation. The papers are oddly projectiles that you can reflect, but Ness can't absorb them.
Forward Smash: Phoenix points his finger at his opponent.
Down Tilt: Phoenix rubs the ground. It's a multi hit move that he has and the hits are fairly weak. It's his crouching Light attack in UMvC3.
Down Smash: Phoenix lets out a heavy sneeze. It causes a lot of knockback... I guess you want to get away from the germs as soon as possible!
Up Tilt: Paperwork: He does the down, down left, and left Paperwork variation. What's different is that instead of the paper being in front of him, all of it is above him. Like his forward tilt, the papers are projectiles that can be reflected, but not absorbed.
Up Smash: He takes out the metal detector to make sure it works and Phoenix holds the handle while checking it. It's vertically straight and has the same length as Shulk's up smash.
Dash Attack: Press the Witness: It's much like Luigi's dash attack in that it's a multi hit move where the final hit is the strongest one.
Neutral Air: Phoenix crouches and looks at a paper. It's his aerial Light attack in UMvC3.
Forward Air: Just a Bit More...!: Phoenix takes a document and shoves it in the opponents face.
Down Air: Phoenix takes out Gumshoe's Radio Transceiver. The attack creates some projectiles that goes three bars beneath Phoenix, like Pac-Man's grab. The attack has little endlag and it can meteor, but the projectile can be reflected.
Back Air: Phoenix accidentally sprays Luminol behind him. It's a multi hit move that causes weak knockback. Mostly used for combos.
Up Air: Phoenix creates an arc of papers much like his tilts, but this arc is similar to Peach's new up air. Alternatively, his up air could be his Heavy air attack while in Investigation Mode, where he shakes his head in confusion.
Pummel and Grab: Phoenix grabs the opponent with the Magatama. Every pummel causes a Psyche-Lock to break.
Forward Throw: A giant Psyche-Lock breaks and sends the opponent forward.
Down Throw: Phoenix brings the opponent downwards and rubs fingerprint powder over his opponent. This sends them upwards where Phoenix can combo.
Back Throw: Missile comes out of nowhere viciously and attacks the opponent.
Up Throw: Phoenix tries to question them, but he accidentally trips and sends them upwards.
Uniqueness: Phoenix will have a mechanic where you collect a piece of evidence and you can submit the evidence. Each piece of evidence is different and sends out a different projectile. For example, a cell phone could create three projectiles that home in on the opponent while a photo could be like Luigi's Fireball. His side special will change into something different as time passes. If 30 seconds pass with evidence in hand, you will get a much more powerful attack and enter a mode called Turnabout Mode. However, if you use evidence and it hits the opponent (without it being Pocketed or reflected), the timer will decrease by 2 seconds as the evidence will become more relevant. With this system, you are trying or waiting for the perfect opportunity to make the evidence relevant to the case and turn things around. If you throw away evidence, the timer resets to 30 seconds. Do you want to have a good projectile to match your situation or do you want to get into Turnabout Mode. That is up to you.
Specials:
Down Special: Collect Evidence: Phoenix will pick up a random piece of evidence that has a different projectile to it. It must be done on the ground. If you press down special again, Phoenix will throw away that piece of evidence. Also, no bad evidence is involved.
Neutral Special: Submit the Evidence: If you have nothing, Phoenix will be confused. If you have something, Phoenix will submit the evidence and a projectile comes out of it (don't question why!!!). If it lands, there will be less time for you to get into Turnabout Mode.
Up Special: Steel Samurai Balloon: I had difficulty with this one the most. I was thinking of Phoenix using a giant Steel Samurai balloon that he can use to float, but it isn't as versatile as Villager's Balloon Trip. It does have more health, however.
Side Special: HOLD IT! / OBJECTION: With no evidence / irrelevant evidence, Phoenix will exclaim HOLD IT!. The words pop up, but the start up of the move takes a while. It has some knockback. When the evidence becomes relevant, it turns into an OBJECTION!. This has less start up, greater range, and more power. If it lands, Phoenix will enter Turnabout Mode. One thing to note about this move is that it can be easily blocked as it does no shield damage and it can be easily dodged. If blocked, you can't enter Turnabout Mode.
Turnabout Mode: This is Phoenix's true form. He becomes faster, more agile, and much more powerful. Many of his moves now have KO potential, including his forward and up tilt now. Three moves will change: his neutral attack is a straight up finger point, his down tilt is also a massive finger point, and his forward air is another massive finger point if it spikes; they are all of his ground Heavy, down Heavy, and aerial Heavy attacks. His other moves and specials remain the same. Phoenix lasts in Turnabout Mode for about 15-20 seconds.
When it ends, you have to collect your evidence and do it again.
Final Smash: Ace Attorney: First, if you don't have any evidence and you hit the Smash Ball, you automatically enter Turnabout Mode with a random piece of evidence. Yes, by collecting the Smash Ball, you enter Turnabout Mode. If you lose the Smash Ball, you can hit it again and enter Turnabout Mode. The Mode still lasts for 15-20 seconds, but the Smash Ball won't disappear nor the evidence if it ends.
Ace Attorney is his Level 3 Hyper in UMvC3. Now, his Final Smash starts out with Order in the Court, which is half the size of Final Destination. It can take in multiple opponents and when it lands, these characters will be taken on the witness stand. Phoenix says, "The one who actually committed the crime... is you! No alibi, no justice, no dream, no hope! TAKE THAT!" After he says who actually committed the crime, they take damage. After the no alibi speech, more damage is taken from submitted evidence. After TAKE THAT! the characters are sent and it almost OHKOs. Why...? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! It's a cinematic Final Smash and I shortened the speech because there is a possibility where the character gets hit, but doesn't die in time. Shortening it will lessen this problem since the attack normally takes 10 seconds.
I took a lot of ideas from UMvC3, but I wanted to add more to it and reference other games. UMvC3 is an amazing blueprint for him and I think it can be ironed out in Smash. In the end, I wanted to make my moveset be representative of the fact that Phoenix is still just a regular guy, well... one with crazy lawyer powers and comes from a weird cast of characters and scenarios.
You know, playing off this, I think it would be really cool if the characters that just barely didn't make the ballot got Mii Costumes or were included in the game in some other way.I've gotten into Ace Attorney recently. The only game of the series other then the Professor Layton crossover is Dual Destinies (I do plan to one day soon get the latter at least). I've even played the japanese only 2nd Miles Edgeworth game. It's a really enjoyable series to be sure.
With Megaman and Ryu already in though I doubt we get a 3rd Capcom Rep with how limited DLC spots are to begin with regarding Sakurai's "several" mention. But I think it'd be the "wright" thing to do to at least have Mii Fighter costumes for some Phoenix Wright characters. Phoenix, Edgeworth, Maya, and Godot would be great choices I'd think.
Cool story? I'm sure there's lots of people who agree with you, but remember that other people can feel differently. be a little more respectful in voicing your opinion.I'm sorry, but in all honesty, even the amount of Capcom characters they have in right now is too much.
I'm sorry, but in all honesty, even the amount of Capcom characters they have in right now is too much.
"OBJECT THE VOTE!"* Phoenix Wright:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll376420x0D48a41e-14
I know what you mean. Even though I'm not sure how Phoenix Wright would work, I'd love him in if only for all the amazing music he'd bring with him.After playing Dual Destinies, I am 100% for Phoenix Wright in Smash Bros. If not solely because Ace Attorney music is absolutely AMAZIIING.
its been around for a whileFINALLY someone made a Phoenix Wright thread.
Phoenix Wright Mii Gunner plz.I feel like we should at the very least get a Phoenix Wright mii costume. It doesn't seem unreasonable with Ace Attorney 6 coming and Capcom has already given access to its franchises.
You simply have to choose Phoenix Wright! There's so many reasons you should want him over Sceptile.I'm at a split between Phoenix Wright and Sceptile. I'm so torn...
Maybe I'll just vote for both and let the rest sort it out. You have a great point about the music as well.You simply have to choose Phoenix Wright! There's so many reasons you should want him over Sceptile.
You should choose Phoenix Wright over Sceptile because....
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Think of all the great music Phoenix would bring with him! The music in the Ace Attorney is almost unanimously considered to be godly, and with Phoenix in Smash you'd get to hear it IN Smash Bros.
Another reason is that nobody could even come close to fighting like Phoenix Wright does. His playstyle could involve collecting evidence and then overwhelming his opponent with it.
Nobody would fight like him, and wouldn't you like to contribute to getting such a unique character in Smash Bros.?
I rest my case.
I think it's clear who you should choose.