I'm trying to work on perfect waveshines. It seems like I airdodge even when I angle the control stick slightly below the middle notches of the controller. Is this because i'm not airdodging frame perfect or what? I'm thinking that the perfect wavedash position for the control stick is in the middle of the middle notch and the notch below it. Can anyone help me with this, because I think it's a requirement for Thunders' Combo that you can perfect waveshine on command (More specifically reverse Thunders').
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Perfect Waveshines
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Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
It should be obvious when you do a perfect wavedash/waveshine. I just know how far Fox goes and the timing so I can tell how I mess up. Make sure you have the 4-frame wavedash timing down before you work on the angle, because you might have the right angle but if you don't do the 4-frame wavedash you will just airdodge.
You don't have to perfect waveshine for Thunder's combo against Fox/Falco. Against some of the other characters you do, or you have to get close (Jigglypuff). More important than doing a perfect distance waveshine is doing it on the first possible frame, and jabbing on the first possible frame. If your waveshine is a good distance and you waveshine early and jab early, there are some frames of forgiveness. Your timing (4-frame wavedash) is more important than the angle as this affects how soon you are allowed to jab. It's hard to do Thunder's combo if you don't do a 4-frame wavedash.
You don't have to perfect waveshine for Thunder's combo against Fox/Falco. Against some of the other characters you do, or you have to get close (Jigglypuff). More important than doing a perfect distance waveshine is doing it on the first possible frame, and jabbing on the first possible frame. If your waveshine is a good distance and you waveshine early and jab early, there are some frames of forgiveness. Your timing (4-frame wavedash) is more important than the angle as this affects how soon you are allowed to jab. It's hard to do Thunder's combo if you don't do a 4-frame wavedash.
Retroking2000
Smash Master
could not have said it better myself but yeah i agree , you just have to train your reactions to pressing the trigger when you jump it really is straight forward
Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
No you can't.
Should have just said: "Money Match?"
Perfect wavedashing out of a shine is really kinda unnecessary. What is important is getting out of the shine, after that you can just run and JC grab/up smash.
Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
lol. I'm right though. You can't wavedash with the stick horizontal. You can wavedash with the stick slightly below horizontal, but if you try with the stick against the notch it won't work, ever.
takieddine
Smash Master
you arent airdodging fast enough from the jump.
Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
I can do perfect wavesdashes fine thanks. I know the feel of a 4-frame WD vs. 5-frame, etc. There's no way you can wavedash horizontally.
Regardless of facts, money match?
Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
IShotLazer
Smash Journeyman
Errrrr... Ya whoever said dodge into the ground earlier is completly right.
thats pretty much it, other than that I think you're actually talking about wavedashing "far". Well most of the time you dont just wavedash to do a waveshine combo, it actually involves a little bit of walking as well, in fact the initial wavedash is just to really get u going in the right direction and cancel out the shine, you dont have to worry about doing an extremely far wavedash after a shine.
thats pretty much it, other than that I think you're actually talking about wavedashing "far". Well most of the time you dont just wavedash to do a waveshine combo, it actually involves a little bit of walking as well, in fact the initial wavedash is just to really get u going in the right direction and cancel out the shine, you dont have to worry about doing an extremely far wavedash after a shine.
Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
Joot knows how to wavedash...and you can't walk from a reverse wavedash. Well you can but it's slow and pointless.
wtf at Shai Hulud?
7 stock .8 damage ratio
Epic lulz
7 stock .8 damage ratio
Epic lulz
Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
I only do MMs on Icicle Mountain. Especially if there's $10,000 on the line.
I'm still wondering if Brookman actually took your post seriously, Shai....
knightpraetor
Smash Champion
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who can't you perfect waveshine? i've stopped trying for them lately and just go for something simpler..but i was wondering..with no di on the opponents part..who should i be able to waveshine continuously across the stage with perfects