Peach's Royal Battle Room

[Dark.Pch]

Bingo, read then ask..........-___- '

and you can try that when you can beat me. just go ahead and try.

 

[darE::to::Dream]

Might wanna take things a little more lightly, DPch? Not everything's a reason for you to respond with "Read the thread." or "OMG MONEY MATCH!"

 

[Matsu18p]

To Drk.Pch, I was just experimenting with upb, and it actually does work. Hmm, well, I probably should have been so quick to judge. I really dont have any experience with using upb, they have to be right above you but over all its fairly easy to hit with, close and reopen umbrella once or twice and dsmash. I also didnt know it didnt have lag, well, im sorry about before, no excuses but still staying up all night doesnt make you in a good mood the next day. Just slept for a while so im feeling a lot better. I'm still learning a lot about comboes as just recently ive just finally mastered l-canceling, I'll have some vids up pretty soon. But sorry about that Drk.Pch, uptilt can be used out of grabs on fastfallers, but in many instances another grab would do better or if they're high percents nair them and kill their recovery. Also with link and roy and uptilt, it is possible, but upair is a more viable option imo as it leads to another upair around 40-60%. Again im sorry for being a jerk earlier, prolly shouldnt make decisions on no sleep.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Might wanna take things a little more lightly, DPch? Not everything's a reason for you to respond with "Read the thread." or "OMG MONEY MATCH!"

I like to help poeple and I tink doing that helps my smash game mentally. whats wrong with that O_o

 

[thebluedeath1000]

I don't see very many marth tips..or much on him at all for that matter..or for ganon, those two can be a serious problem for danty little peach.

Ganon, being the powerhouse he is and marth with his sword, best cover them well.

 

[Rockin]

thebluedeath - cause no one hasn't asked for it yet, but we do need tips on how to beat those badasses

guys, check out the 1st page of my post. I've made a summery of the matchups with YLink and Bowser. More would be put up next.

 

[BigRick]

A little clarifications about up+B: it actually has some lag, it is very small though.
Also upB out of shield (correctly executed) is the fastest option that Peach has out of shield.
Uptilt is like upsmash, the head is invincible during the hitting frames.


Hmm I wonder if the few parasol hits on the way down can be smash DIed of... if so, we can say goodbye to this tech in competitive play. I guess that's the kind of questions that only Mew2king could answer lol

 

[darE::to::Dream]

On Marth and Ganon: Don't get in close without a plan. Expand your strategies from there.

 

[BigRick]

On Marth and Ganon: learn to play Sheik (or Fox).

lol there I said it

EDIT: B4 I get some flammage, let me say this... I herd that even the legendary Mike G once started playing Sheik...

 

[Bailey]

After not reading the entire thread besides first post Y. Link is a 4/5 threat. Also any Peach advice needed ask me.

 

[thesage]

How do you beat Marth?

 

[Rockin]

After not reading the entire thread besides first post Y. Link is a 4/5 threat. Also any Peach advice needed ask me.

I actually thought 3 was a bit fair. Cause, he's just an obstacle with spamming and motivbility. I mean, even though, he's not exactly that hard to beat if you approch him right. I thought 4/5 would be for the 'debatable counters' like Ganon or something. But, if everyone else think YLink deserves a 4/5 threat level, I'll change it.

Also Baily, did I do the situation with YLink right?

 

[thebluedeath1000]

I can' wait to see how the marth and ganon parts are done, I asked about those because I main marth and secondary ganon, both of which I take pride in taking down peaches so I'd like to see how those parts are done.

 

[Dark.Pch]

I bet you do... well I hate Marth and cant stand the character, I just had the worst experience of my life in a match with him at a tournament.against my own crew member.... I was picking up Marth but now screw him, I cant stand the damm character and he makes me sick. So I would love to hear how to destroy that loser so I'll never have to go through this ever again....Yea my smash spirit is nearly broken now and I thank Marth for it...I just cant deal with him, his stupid range, how he combos Peach and cant do anything about it, his cheap low % kills,the chain grabs to death. the air combos to Death, I Just hate everything about him..and If I cant Deal with him, there is no way I'll be a pro..Im just not up for this anymore....So someone post something on this loser cause im about to just give it all up on this....

 

[Matsu18p]

Marth is a tricky match up for peach and he cause her to lose some of her abilities, float cancel is greatly diminished in the match up because of foward smashes, he comboes her to hell with fairs, and his ariels prety much cancel out peach's. Knowing all this, when i play marth, i definately let him come to me, i change my game to a more or less turnip camping/offensive ground game.

Spacing is key in this matchup, and a well spaced peach can easily beat a marth. Dash attacks work very well to catch a dash dancing marth off guard, and the occasional ariel such as a random fair or bair works fairly well to, make sure they're low to the ground or you catch him from an upthrow with one. One if the only comboes peach has on a marth is the fact that she can upthrow him at about 30-60 percent and upair him afterwards once or twice depending on %.

I edge guard marths with turnips when they are initially out in the void and jump on the edge when they're close, if they land on the stage dsmash etc. to get them off again.

Again, I fluctuate in letting the marth come to me, whether im being dodgy and camping or im dash attacking and grabbing. Never approach from the air unless its neccesary or your doing it in a smart fashion. What wins this match up is a superior ground game, and the most important of all, good spacing.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

I bet you do... well I hate Marth and cant stand the character, I just had the worst experience of my life in a match with him at a tournament.against my own crew member.... I was picking up Marth but now screw him, I cant stand the damm character and he makes me sick. So I would love to hear how to destroy that loser so I'll never have to go through this ever again....Yea my smash spirit is nearly broken now and I thank Marth for it...I just cant deal with him, his stupid range, how he combos Peach and cant do anything about it, his cheap low % kills,the chain grabs to death. the air combos to Death, I Just hate everything about him..and If I cant Deal with him, there is no way I'll be a pro..Im just not up for this anymore....So someone post something on this loser cause im about to just give it all up on this....

I'm sure marth hates you too. You hold alot of hate for him but for no good reason. Peach is a great character..and all I hear from you is "I hate myself, I'll never be pro".I've seen well over twenty posts compliment you when you get into moods like that, my posts includied but when you hit a bump in your smash life, you fall and cry about it. Keep that attitude and you're right, you're going no where. You are a good player but you are you own worst enemy.

 

[Dark.Pch]

I'm sure marth hates you too. You hold alot of hate for him but for no good reason. Peach is a great character..and all I hear from you is "I hate myself, I'll never be pro".I've seen well over twenty posts compliment you when you get into moods like that, my posts includied but when you hit a bump in your smash life, you fall and cry about it. Keep that attitude and you're right, you're going no where. You are a good player but you are you own worst enemy.

Dont matter cause im sure many hate Peach as Much as I hate marth, so no difference there, and this is what I think so dont mind me, all I wanted was advice to take his azz out, nothing more or less......

 

[thebluedeath1000]

I'd like to see you positive for once. Thinking you're going to fail just makes failing easier.

 

[Dark.Pch]

This is going off topic but after this post I wont post here anymore cause I dont want this thread to get closed or a fight to break out or whatever..

You wanna know when I'll say im good? when I can own Both Marth and Y.Link, when I can stop loseing to stupid players that are east too read, when I can hold my own ground in tournies and dont need any hi ranked player and they dont need to sandbag on me. when I can stop doing all that you three throw at me. then I'll say im a ture player, cause the wins I get now dont mean Jack at all. so untill then im a joke, I suck, and im just some random noob, no one knows Dark.Pch better than Dark.Pch for noe are in my head too see the truth...

Wanna know why im the way I am, its not cause I just give up, cause I lose my fights, cause I get killed in the gayest way possible or etc....its Cause I hate the fact that I cant do what I want, I play many people, go to many places for smash not even my own crew knows about, watch many vids, and read around the Peach section at the sticky.s they have up. So I work my butt off more than anyone. and when I started getting destroyed by Jash, I looked up everything in gods name on that match up, and even had the king of Peach himself mikeG give me pointers, and I work hard as hell at it, and then I play him over and over (as well as other people I have trouble with and practiced on them) and the results are the same. and it makes me very ticked on how I go to my limit and try my best and work hard and I get no where at all. so I play stupid to make MYSELF laugh and forget at how my work never pays off. I try to shut myself from how much my work does not pay off, and that **** hurts like hell and im sick of it, its not fair at all how all I do gets me no where, howq the hell I cant win the fights I study like if I was taking the SAT? thats the real Dark.Pch people, now you have it....R ead all about Marth Vs Peach and Y.Link Vs Peach, work at it, and work on my Peach as well for hours, even till the next morning if I have nothing to do or anything important going on. And then when the battles come in, I go in with confidence and pride. thinking Im ready and know all that is expected. and memorize all that I learned. and think alot more and watch my enemy in battle.......and yet same damm results as before. nothing has changed, but I dont give up there, I keep trying and trying.....yet same thing, nothing chances and ALL that work did nothing to me at all. So before you think I bring myself down and such, my wanna get the true history of Dark.Pch. Then supply your opinion.

Now im done for this thread so more outside topics dealing with me dont hold this thread back. Now get back in topic to this thread and that is leaving info on Peach and her matches, or anything related to her, im out

 

[thebluedeath1000]

I'm not in the dark you realize.

I know your true history as I've heard you say that before, I've seen your fights and whatnot with your fellow players..I'm not in the dark.


Marth Vs Peach.


At 0% marth is going to go for a grab because he can chain up his f-throw grabs to put your back to the ledge early, 90% of the time he is going to go for the f-smash when you are to the edge...this is a bad situation but can be alot worse if you di right into tipper range. Taking the blow is one thing but getting tippered is another.

Marth's f-air range is great and covers his entire front really, hes going to focus on getting you caught in those if you do take to the air. Marth's great in the air except for under him...get under him and hes had a very bad day, especially if hes on a platform and you're under it.

Most marths are going to shffle alot, abit mindlessly even. Upsmash-ing out of sheild and sheildgrabs will help but most marths won't fall for that more than a few times.

Don't try to go to the air to take down a marth in the air, rest on the ground and try to catch him with your up-smash, throw turnips or wait for a mistake.

Turnips take away marth's momentum in the air and can be used to turn the tables very quickly.

When you are getting comboed, your n-air is a great combo breaker...your nair infact is one of the three moves I fear most.

The others being the d-smash...if I shield it, I may get it, if I spotdodge, I get it...my only real hope is dashing away, and the final one being her dash attack.

Her dash attack cuts through marth's air attacks with ease. Most marths try to dash away from attacks..trying to do that to her dash attack is a really bad idea for marth.

D-smashing is great when marth is in your face..unless he directs his shield down and prays to god, you're going to send him flying...tech chasing with this is great, especinally if you can put him near the edge.

When tech-chasing, try to get in a grab, because more than likely, hes got some good damage on him and hes close to the ledge..an f-throw can setup for edgeguarding.

Edgeguarding marth...you can wait at the ledge and cc his up-b into your d-smash if you are at low damage..that works unless they can tech well. Throwing turnips ultimately screw marth over as they steal his momentum.

Try to catch marth in the air after he uses his second jump, hes remarkably easy to kill then. As far comboing him, don't try to make them lengthy..hes a light character and can be pushed back far with a good nair or f-air..
When you get high damage, he can't combo you into a kill hit so hes going to be going for n-air and f-smashes, now is your time to rack up some damage. His u-air or f-airs aren't anything to fear untill you are extremely high...

As for stage choices, platforms are bad as you can die there easily but too many peach players freak out over small stages...that means they die easier too. Marth is light and goes down quick enough so use it, chasing him off the stage with b-airs to edgehog is something simply enough on a small stage to turn the tides. And you've also got to keep in mind how vunerable marth is when hes on a platform and you're under it.



well..err..that was roughly and quickly written...so don't bite at me for mistakes.

 

[Bailey]

I <33 playing Marth's with Peach I think Reject does too lol.

 

[Rockin]

ugh...why is there drama on threads I start with....T_T

anyway, back on topic, nice job Blue and Matsu. Now I'll put my voice in it about the match up IMO if ya don't mind. Bluedeath, this info might even help you

Now, this is, no doubt, Peach's most feared matchup EVER! Marth is like a combination of some of Peach's counters. Marth, is, without a doubt, Satan's child XD The funny thing is, it's that they're both actually even when it comes to it. The only difference is the mindgame of the controller that shows the victor

This is one of Peach's Matchups where she has to play smart in this match up. She can't afford any midstakes or she'll be comboed and beaten bad. Like Matsu said, spacing is key. Marth needs to keep hitting you with his tipper. You gotta make sure to stay a good distance from him and to get in close when the opportunity fits.

You're gonna have to reduce your FCs from average to barely, because when you do with him, he'll fsmash you and follow up with some combos and possibly a spike.

Even a average Marth could give a Peach some hard time, so be careful. Your mindgame skills is one of the only keys to defeating Marth.

More later on (g2g for now)

 

[BigRick]

My view of this matchup:

From personal experience, it seems that if you play this match defensively, you're going to lose.

No mindgames in this matchup: turnip-based rushdown is the key.

A Marth under pressure will leave more openings... find one and try to keep the upper hand until the end of stock.

 

[Rockin]

No mindgames in this matchup: turnip-based rushdown is the key.

you ALWAYS need mindgames for everymatchup, especially counters. The only time you don't need a mindgame strategy is when you're facing a n00b

Also, while turnips seem to work, they're not exactly reliable. Marth's sword gives him a range of not being hit by several projectiles (turnips included). So, if you throw a stich to him from a certain distance, not only will he stop it from a ftilt, but if he was to short hop, fair the stich, and L cancel, he could grab the turnip and throw it back at you.

A Marth is gonna be agressive with you because he's confident about his tipper. Remember, space yourself well and attack. don't FC too much unless you know it's gonna hit.

in reference of DI, when you're at low percentage, you gotta DI away from him. but, when you're like around 80%, you gotta DI to him (or it's the other way around. Not too sure). If you DI wrong, you'll face his fsmash or spike badly.

Again, playing smart and good spacing is key. You can't just be agressive with him or defensive. You gotta use all those tactics in a mix order. Like, attack, defend, evade. or evade, attack, defend. or even attack, attack, evad. there's many things you gotta do.

And once he's off the stage, you gotta make sure he stays out. A Marth could grab the edge and short hop up to do a nair, which is effective. Or they could just Up -B, hoping it'll hit, and then just jump up just as swiftly. I think the best way to take him out is to dsmash just before he's close to the edge when he Up - B

Now, if you get fling off the edge, there's gonna be some problems getting back on the stage. Marth could sweet spot you good because of his tipper. Even when you grab the edge, if you either roll or just get up, he'll wavedash back and fsmash you FTW. This is likewise if you're hovering above you when he short hops/jumps and either Uair or Dair you (mostly Uair) FTW. Your best chance of getting back is to fake him. If you're high over the level, float over to the stage. If he tries to attack you, Up B yourself and try to land close enough to the ground and away from him as fast as you can. If you're Up-Bing yourself to the field from the start, then just land on the stage and when he attacks you, move back and just fast fall yourself down. DON'T try to grab the edge unless you're sure you could fake him out (such as jump up, air dodge as soon as he fsmashes)

The best you can do is stay close and watch out for what he does. Good luck, you'll need it.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Bigrick, mindgames help alot but I agree about the defensive comment and turn based rushdowns.

Rockin, I disagree about the float canceling, if my back is near the edge and I'm being pushed back, float canceling can screw me over very well..

Marth expects float canceling, by not doing it earlier in the match and abusing it later, it confuses very well.

Rockin..I never hop up from the ledge with nair if peach has some distance because her dash attack can cut through it easily. Spacing is good I suppose but you really need to be right up against marth the entire time, the more distance between him and you in "combat", not turnip camping, is bad.

oh my god, I'm blind, I can't believe I forgot to mention triangle jumping, that screws me over more than anything..it puts her right in my face during my lag.

 

[Rockin]

bluedeath - that's why I said that Peach players have to be smart when they use the FC. They can't use it all the time. If you're a position that garantees a knockback, then she will do it unless she's sure it'll connect.

Okay, guys, do not kill me, but I'm gonna go temp. Marth on this one

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You may not do it, but several marths do. It's really effective when they nair from the edge while moving forward. If a Peach dash attack you when you do this, you could nair, L cancel it and do a shield grab. Or, you could just jump up from the ledge, wave dash back on the ledge, then just quickly jump down and Up B yourself, sending her flying to the other side while you land

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There, hope that helps.

If you wanna learn more Marth moves on Peach, then you should really go to the Marth side. They can give you better image on what to do then me.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

What? You've got the wrong idea.

lol hope that helps? you've got to be joking about the nair and lcancel shieldgrab because her dash attack screws you over when you ledgehop and get hit by it, its not like she misses, unless you are low %s, you aren't making it back.

And Rockin, I don't understand why in gods name you are trying to give me tips, I'm here to give YOU tips as this is a help peach thread.

Jumping from the ledge against a good peach means shes going to close the distance or start turnip spamming while she does, theres no way in god's name I'm about to defend myself with my up-b against a peach when I'm at the ledge, there are many better options.

 

[Dark.Pch]

I said I would not post but just by reading what I read here.........*twitch*


Rockin, your not even sure when to DI to and away from Marth. I thought I made it clear at the school. When Marth Chain grabs you, DI away, when you get chain grab to the Edge, DI to him, cause you are NOT gonna escape the Fsmash and that is what he will do, a freaking marths do that. and if you DI away when he Fsmashes you, you can kiss your azz goodbye at low damage. His air combos, dont even try to get a N-in cause your helping him keep you in range to combo you across the stage and to finish you off with a spike.

when he is off the edgge spam him with turnips. Then when he gets close and the turnips failed to end him, grab the edge, and if he makes it to the stage, dont roll. Jus get up and Dsmash him, it will send him right back out. (by the way doing this to shiek pwns them, its like they are not coming back at all)

Your edge game to return is not so good, did you ever think of use the enviorment as a safe way to land? If your on a stage with Plate forms, move around over then while returning. for that Marth wont really tell if your gonna....

-Land on the platform your over or move to the next one

-Quick Fall over the one your above

-Move to a platform then just move to grab the edge and then get up fast.

Use the platforms on stages that have them to make your landing safe as you want to make it or can make it at the point.

Oh and Godd FC against a Marth pwns. For if you do it right, Your attacks and grabs become Faster than Marth. pretty much you will be faster than him at times. when he is far away from you spam your azz of at him.then when he gets close, thats when you have to rely on your battle skills and fight him head on.

If marth is far away, spam his azz, you can rack up damage while he tries to get close.

When he is close, you have no choice but to fight without turnips. You are a noob already if you try to pick one up in front of marth, Your asking for a free hit.

Also for intense mindgames and to put the pressure on him, you can Grab a turnip and go to him with one, at times this is best for you cant always spam Marth. Now here you can use an FC tech after you throw it. Or you can attack him while you have the turnip in your hand with an FC tech, these 2 ways but the pressure On Marth and he wont know what your gonna do (Onless you try it from distance and make it look obvious going to him.) so be smart with it.

Now I dont know I know all of this and yet I cant stand nor beat the damm character. which ticks me off when I try to put it to work. but w/e its Marth, thats all I'll say about this, anyway. may this clear some more info on Marth. and if it was already said or I may be wrong, oh well, I tried anyway........

 

[thebluedeath1000]

You're pretty right Dark pch but what made you post? It wasn't my post was it? Because I'm pretty sure I'm creditable on my info.

 

[Dark.Pch]

You're pretty right Dark pch but what made you post? It wasn't my post was it? Because I'm pretty sure I'm creditable on my info.

Well, for one, Im tired of losing to this character and the the fact that Rockins info was off track. If me and others are gonna own Marth, might as well do it the right way

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Lol, now thats the spirit I want to hear from you dark pch...

After a few more experienced players give their insight, we do need to organize everything.

 

[Rockin]

Well, for one, Im tired of losing to this character and the the fact that Rockins info was off track. If me and others are gonna own Marth, might as well do it the right way

sorry...I didn't mean for it to happen that way. I guess I'm not really good explaining matchups >>

I'll back off from those for now.


the bluedeath - the reason why I made it sound like I'm giving you tips was because of this.

I can' wait to see how the marth and ganon parts are done, I asked about those because I main marth and secondary ganon, both of which I take pride in taking down peaches so I'd like to see how those parts are done.

I thought you might've wanted tips on it, but I guess I read it wrong. again, sorry about that. -_-

I'll just let peeps like Dark Pch, Baily, and several others explain matchups and such

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Call me blue, and its okay rockin but it was slightly insulting lol..I came to give advice as I thought it'd do some good as I'm the marth player..but you were giving me tips

 

[Dark.Pch]

Lol, now thats the spirit I want to hear from you dark pch...

After a few more experienced players give their insight, we do need to organize everything.

I have no spirt at this moment dude, Im still the same, I just thought I share my light to help out others

 

[thebluedeath1000]

I loled, meaning sarcasm, I know you haven't changed.

hmmff...

 

[Rockin]

.....ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo*30 minutes later*ooooooooooooooooooo....

kay.

Let's get back into the topic.

Now that we've covered Marth, how do we deal with Ganon? Anyone knows?

 

[Kman25]

.....ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo*30 minutes later*ooooooooooooooooooo....

kay.

Let's get back into the topic.

Now that we've covered Marth, how do we deal with Ganon? Anyone knows?

Deal with him like Marth sorta, Approach with a lot of turnips. Hes a slight counter to Peach.

 

[Professor Pro]

i dont really find y.link much of a threat. marth is quite annoyin i do alot of shieldin and then way they forward smash while ther laggin shield wavedash and grab them

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Ganon advice.

Peach vs Ganon

Hes going to go for f-airs, grabs, and d-airs 90% of the time.

If you pull a turnip too close, if you smash at the wrong time, if you make a mistake, you're getting one of those three. If him grabs you at a low %, hes going to d-throw you and follow it up from there. I usually d-air my foe...be sure to tech it and roll in a direction you guess he won't follow, ganon loves to follow tech chases with his over b so its best to roll away as it might not reach you.

Do not standing tech against ganon, doing this will get you hit again. Unless he really doesn't expect this, don't.

Be wary of his range, his f-air has great length..and his d-tilt can pop you right into the air to get hurt.

If you are above ganon, you need to act fast because his u-air can combo you really easy and keep you offstage.
Speaking of which, reverse u-air edgeguards will kill you, at low percents if you come in too low..

Its best to come in very high against ganon and be very unpredictable..having a turnip in hand would be great...going in mid height allows him to reach you still..and coming in low most of the time gets you killed.

Hmm...his down-b, some ganons spam this, others use it at very rise times..I use this during their lag on a d-smash that they missed and I can't reach in time with anything else..be wary of this move, it will kill you if you are high percents and most ganons use it as a surprise attack...if you can catch it with your d-smash (not advised), the ganon is going to eat alot of damage...

I wouldn't worry too much about ganon d-airing you as his edgeguard if you have your parasol out..that thing has stopped everything from my dair to my down -b....it has saved peaches numorous times.

Ganon's shffle isn't all that fast, but he has his own form of shine if you get close, his neutral a..his sucker punch..it will keep you at bay if you try direct approaches on him.

Turnips really screw over ganon's recovery...hitting his down-b with a turnip may just end up killing him...edgeguarding him with the d-smash as he up-bs isn't all that good as anyone can ledgetech it..but if they fail, they die...and if they do tech it, perhaps they won't make it back and they have to try their luck again...best option is to throw turnips or float offstage with an air attack other than d-air or u-air.

His f-air has abit of starting lag, his b-air doesn't really, be aware of that..being behind ganon isn't all too safe as he can make those come out nearly as fast as falcon. Being under ganon is good if you can watch out for the nair and d-air, he gets comboed easily by your u-air.

Float canceling works well if you can pull it off without getting hurt..just don't be too direct about it. Same as marth I'd say.



Don't start to underestimate him is the big thing, hes not that slow and he can kill you in 4 hits. Do not get predictable with your techs.

 

[Na!l]

I play a very turnip spamming peach. But I look at Vidjo, Dark.Pch, Wife, Mikael, etc. and they all barely use turnips. So now I feel like im doing it wrong, am I?

Heres a video from back in April, i use turnips more now, but you can see what i mean here.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=10&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3