Official Patch Notes for 1.1.1

[DarkDeity15]

If Link could true combo dthrow into Bair, that would allow for Link to "chain grab" heavies with bair > pivot grab > Dthrow > repeat, or Dthrow > bair > pivot grab > repeat. However, I don't think you'd be able to repeat the chain more than 3 times. I'm over here trying it on Ganon pre-update, and I'm hoping that this is possible because this looks and feels dope as hell. Reminds me of Melee/PM Link.

 

[Elessar]

That won't work actually since after being grabbed chars have a cooldown of 3 seconds I believe during which they cannot be grabbed again.

 

[DarkDeity15]

That won't work actually since after being grabbed chars have a cooldown of 3 seconds I believe during which they cannot be grabbed again.

Um, no. I've been doing this in the pre-update version for a while now (besides the true combo dthrow > bair). It has to be shorter than that. Have you tested yourself yet?

 

[FSK]

I edited my changelog post!

 

[Rizen]

Q, if Bthrow has less knockback, can we footstool out of it? That would be nice for a FF Nair lock>Fsmash.
Edit, nope doesn't work.
Dthrow can lead to a Dair spike but it's not a true combo. Still useful by the ledge.

 

[A_Phoenix_Down]

I'll try it in a little, see if the chain grab works. I could almost swear I did it yesterday by accident. Maybe the hit cancels out the time frame between grabs. I'll check it out

*EDIT*

Nah it doesn't and if it does, it's very weight and DI dependent to the point where it's not even valid.

 

[Linkmario00]

So, I'm trying something about Link's boomerang. It seems that the hitstun is increased. I don't have a non patched version, but I found that now CQC boomerang--->first hit of Fair is a true combo until 80-90% (I tried on Falco). After that percentage, the second hit can connect well. Pratically, if they try to attack I think second hit will always destroy them. I tried with a CPU setted to jump and it seems that it can't escape from the second hit also, but I don't know how the CPU works in this case. I'm not sure if it was also in the previous version, but I think it wasn't. If it was...well I think I'll edit my post and go **** myself.

 

[Elessar]

(besides the true combo dthrow > bair).

That phrase just invalidated everything you said.

You really don't read what we say, do you?

Dthrow to bair has NEVER been a true combo in sm4sh.

Stop spreading misinformation.

 

[A_Phoenix_Down]

D-tilt -> F-air -> Up-B seems to connect pretty well. It seems easier to do but I highly doubt it's a true combo.

I mean it's 40-44% combo. 30% if you miss the Up-B.

*EDIT*
It's easier to pull off if you manage hit them off stage. But if you're on stage, short hopping twice after D-tilt gives you enough time to get the Up-B in before you land.

 

[LordCQ]

I finally updated and had a chance to play for a while... WHAT THE **** HAVE THEY DONE TO HIM!? WHAT'S WITH THE LANDING LAG!?

 

[DJTHED]

I finally updated and had a chance to play for a while... WHAT THE **** HAVE THEY DONE TO HIM!? WHAT'S WITH THE LANDING LAG!?

I don't think his landing lag for any of his aerials changed...

 

[LordCQ]

A don't think his landing lag for any of his aerials changed...

Yes, the up thrust now has landing lag, Link must stand up in order to be able to jump and hit again.

 

[A_Phoenix_Down]

Yes, the up thrust now has landing lag, Link must stand up in order to be able to jump and hit again.

Hasn't it always been like that...?

 

[Kami-V]

No one has mentioned it, but I believe Up-B, at least on the ground, has less start up lag. I don't have it right next to me, but while I was playing yesterday it felt very quick - reminiscent of melee speed. If someone else could try and see, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

[LordCQ]

Hasn't it always been like that...?

No, I remember perfectly I could attack again immediatly before.

 

[FSK]

No, I remember perfectly I could attack again immediatly before.

Be more specific please, was it full jump, short hop, any fast falling etc?

I don't have any endlag after doing full jump uair for instance

 

[LordCQ]

Be more specific please, was it full jump, short hop, any fast falling etc?

Full jump, up + a, and after hitting the floor I could jump again and attack, now I have to wait for Link to get up from the crouch... Sorry, I can't be more specific.

 

[Dumbfire]

No, I remember perfectly I could attack again immediatly before.

Out of what, a short hop? It always had lag where you had to get up, see here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFQC1kZL32M&t=0m17s
You won't have that when you full hop.

 

[FSK]

Full jump, up + a, and after hitting the floor I could jump again and attack, now I have to wait for Link to get up from the crouch... Sorry, I can't be more specific.

Well, I can still do it.

 

[Phenomiracle]

The Dthrow KB nerf has to be compensated by some followup options.

Bair isn't guaranteed (hardly hits, from what I heard), did anyone extensively test Fsmash/Usmash or any of his tilts?

 

[Dumbfire]

Me and Foxy tested, nothing seems confirmed. At least we have improved options, although the throw is pretty much useless after about 50 percent because the knockback is big enough to avoid everything by simply DIing sideways.

 

[link7]

Has the start up on the Dsmash increased? I feel like it has. Can someone confirm?

 

[Zelkam]

Has the start up on the Dsmash increased? I feel like it has. Can someone confirm?

I'll test it this weekend. I'll be testing the startup time, move duration, damage, knockback, and hitstun (if I can figure out to test it accurately) of Link's moveset. I think the only thing I won't be able to test is how long the hitboxes last.

 

[TNS|Quake]

@ Zelkam can you please check the hitbubbles on f.tilt on your pre-patched version, specifically below the sword as he swings it down? You can stack a bunch of platforms in stage creator on top of each other, have Link stand on top of the stack with a character standing below the stack, and count how many platforms you have to go down before you hit the character's head at the bottom. I suspect the hitbubbles are either bigger or are located further below the sword in the new version than the old one

 

[Vidiot825]

I actually don't mind his changelog too much so far... but it'd be nice if someone could tell me how i'm supposed to land a d-tilt for the meteor hit...
Liking the damage and KB buffs, especially the u-air one, that one's gonna make a world of difference!
Also, just curious, has anyone tested whether or not he has that gaping lack of grab-box at the claw of his grab during his running grab still?
On another note.. RIP jab 1 confirms =(

 

[Huggles828]

Dunno if this has been mentioned, but dash attack seems to have a much bigger hitbox. I was routinely hitting people on the platform of BF while I was on the ground with it. Upb does seem to come out a bit faster to me at least but I'm not sure about that.

 

[kxiong92]

Dunno if this has been mentioned, but dash attack seems to have a much bigger hitbox. I was routinely hitting people on the platform of BF while I was on the ground with it. Upb does seem to come out a bit faster to me at least but I'm not sure about that.

Thank goodness. I'm not the only one who thinks that UpB comes out faster.

 

[FSK]

Hey guys I found a way to make Dthrow combo to whatever!

Just soft throw a bomb upwards before you dthrow them

 

[DUKEL]

This is probably placebo, but in offline today several others noticed a shorter landing lag out of dair. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

 

[Elessar]

I'll put @ Zelkam in the spotlight now. Zelkam has said that he'll see about making a video comparing pre patch Link to post patch Link (since he already has pre patch footage). He'll do it over the weekend. I still haven't updated the thread because until now we have no concrete evidence of any changes besides the Jab nerf and we all know about it anyways. I will update the thread based on Zelkam's video since that will give irrefutable proof of changes in frames.

I trust @ FSK 's changes as well (though are we sure about the changes to kb across the board?) and will be adding them, but I want to update this just once.

 

[FSK]

You should wait with the knockback changes until we have a better overview on exactly how it changed from version to version. Or have them as speculation, its definitly changed since before the Wii U version came out we just haven't pinned down exactly when each knockback change occured.

The end lag differences and hitbox differences that people have suggested are so far speculative. This will get covered by Zelkam though.

If people want to check knockback stuff here is how to check it:

• Mario at spawn point in FD. KO Mario once to have him appear at the spawn point.
• Adjust the percentage to the lowest possible value for the KO lightning to appear.
• Make sure Mario is set to 'Control' so that CPU DI does not impact the tests.

 

[Zelkam]

• Adjust the percentage to the lowest possible value for the KO lightning to appear.

The lighting is effected by knockback?

 

[MagmarFire]

The lighting is effected by knockback?

It tends to appear when the blow that caused it will most likely result in a KO.

 

[FSK]

The lighting is effected by knockback?

Yes, in the sense it will appear earlier if knockback is increased.

 

[Zelkam]

Yes, in the sense it will appear earlier if knockback is increased.

Interesting. Well that means I've currently got 3 different ways to compare knockback so I should be pretty thorough on that one.

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

I'm pretty sure that what the lightning means is that at the point of impact, taking into account every factor other than DI SDI and vectoring, the game calculates that the move hitting you will make it so you touch the blast zone before entering tumble i.e. while still in hitstun (though you can of course airdodge out of the very end of hitstun, but that's not really relevant here as it won't save you if you didn't DI). This means that it's entirely possible to survive lightning with good DI as you have seen, and it's equally possible with bad DI to get hit out of the blast zone while still in hitstun yet have no lightning.

 

[Zerker]

snip.

Y'all are forgetting the first N in lightNing.
Not that it matters much.

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

Y'all are forgetting the first N in lightNing.
Not that it matters much.

Lol. Fixed. I would have never noticed.

 

[FSK]

I did it right and I'm not even native, get at my level.

Oh I forgot to add the Mario has to be set to control. Will fix.

 

[DJTHED]

Is anyone else noticing the hitstun from Up Tilt being just a tad shorter? I feel like my opponents airdodge out of Up Tilt juggles a lot earlier than usual